China take two

originally posted by: HUBE007

originally posted by: Mantiss2021
a reply to: anonentity

So the question arises;

If what is being seen, now, in China, is the beginnings of a "new" "deadly" (potential) pandemic, assumedly more dangerous than the previous COVID19, how will the governments of the world react....This time?

What will it take to convince the public, who downplayed (and still "poo-poo" the risks) of the previous pandemic virus, that this new outbreak is a real threat?


And, if this new outbreak does turn out to be more dangerous than the last one, and we are lucky enough to find a viable vaccine for this round....

Will there still be those who refuse the shot....for whatever reason(s)?


And if this new outbreak is really the "Big One", will denial and hesitancy result in even more catastrophic consequences than C19?

This is a joke I am assuming? People like you will be the end of society.

guess that goes for these as well...to end society?

a reply to: anonentity

I remember Wuhan with Dementia that's a plus ,never out of the news for a while there was a outbreak ,then they were 6 foot underwater ,then not long after that they were all having pool parties unmasked and then the whole 11 million were celebrating the western new year and had abandoned the traditional Chinese Lunar new year face to face unmasked while the west was on lockdown .

a reply to: coamanach

because Castreau and co are too far entangled with the Chinese and will literally bend over backwards for them

It has been long believed that the Chinese authorities have not published accurate Covid stats since the pandemic began. China has had the most Draconian lockdown measures, and they did not appear to have worked if anecdotal evidence is to be believed, alongside other non-official evidence and material which is becoming increasingly available.

One thing we do know is that no-one trusts Chinese data, except the WTO.

In five years, the word "Covid" will not appear in Chinese search engine. It'll be a banned word.

originally posted by: paraphi
It has been long believed that the Chinese authorities have not published accurate Covid stats since the pandemic began. China has had the most Draconian lockdown measures, and they did not appear to have worked if anecdotal evidence is to be believed, alongside other non-official evidence and material which is becoming increasingly available.

One thing we do know is that no-one trusts Chinese data, except the WTO.

In five years, the word "Covid" will not appear in Chinese search engine. It'll be a banned word.

China simply doesn't have the infrastructure to gather good data, and everyone knows this. It's not secret, this was the case decades ago when I was living there, and it's still the case now.

For those of you who have the time….here is the link for US China Press…..


US China Press

Left of the Blue button…tap the white space and a search field will pop up.

Copy and paste the following 冠状病毒 (Translation for Covid) in the search field and hit the blue button.

And you’ll see the following. ……btw, once you get there, the Chinese characters on the bottom left is for adding more articles….just tap



Now….you’ll have to use your favorite translator from there on out. I use Google Translate.

The bolded lines are the headlines for each story…..you can either copy and paste the headline into the translator to get the gist of the article …or…If you want to read the article, click on the bolded headline and it will take you to the full article….and then it’s a matter of highlighting all the text, then copy and paste into the Translator.

I’m not sure of any other way to translate the website….I haven’t deciphered which symbols may mean translate entire page in English for reading.

I figured this news Org is either putting out useful info or propaganda.

Good luck 🍀

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originally posted by: Mantiss2021
a reply to: anonentity

So the question arises;

If what is being seen, now, in China, is the beginnings of a "new" "deadly" (potential) pandemic, assumedly more dangerous than the previous COVID19, how will the governments of the world react....This time?

What will it take to convince the public, who downplayed (and still "poo-poo" the risks) of the previous pandemic virus, that this new outbreak is a real threat?


And, if this new outbreak does turn out to be more dangerous than the last one, and we are lucky enough to find a viable vaccine for this round....

Will there still be those who refuse the shot....for whatever reason(s)?


And if this new outbreak is really the "Big One", will denial and hesitancy result in even more catastrophic consequences than C19?

And that was probably the biggest mistake the west made (assuming of course it was a mistake); treating covid as if it was the "Big One" when we could all see very quickly that it was not ... and treating it like the "Big One" for a long time after it was clear it was not the "Big One".

When the "Big One" does come around why would anyone believe the Governments that cried wolf? The technocrats put in charge of the covid pandemic aren't as smart as they think they are ... they let their hubris stand in the way of appropriate policy and we are all going to pay for it in the end; many people already are.



And PS; whats happening now? Are deadly pandemics coming out of China going to be a bi-yearly occurrence? That's not suspicious at all.

originally posted by: AaarghZombies

originally posted by: paraphi
It has been long believed that the Chinese authorities have not published accurate Covid stats since the pandemic began. China has had the most Draconian lockdown measures, and they did not appear to have worked if anecdotal evidence is to be believed, alongside other non-official evidence and material which is becoming increasingly available.

One thing we do know is that no-one trusts Chinese data, except the WTO.

In five years, the word "Covid" will not appear in Chinese search engine. It'll be a banned word.

China simply doesn't have the infrastructure to gather good data, and everyone knows this. It's not secret, this was the case decades ago when I was living there, and it's still the case now.

when chinas infrastructure is visibly affected by something such as mass infection and deaths..I think its prolly not to hard for them to collect good enough data to clearly see something is NOT RIGHT.
how come you seem to be so ...oh what's the word....I dunno...I will say...EXPERT...u seem to be some sort of expert on so many topics that would normally be known for the most part by someone who has a career in government.....and data....government data...yeah that the ticket...
you some Kinna govy expert or somin??

a reply to: Ophiuchus1

If you're using chrome on mobile it gives you the choice of language at the bottom of the page. If not, paste the URL of any article here and it'll translate the full page without copy/paste.

a reply to: Faeded

The problem with collecting data in any totalitarian state is working out what the top people want to hear. Because if it isn't you get replaced or worse and possibly used as an example to be blamed for the problem.

originally posted by: AaarghZombies
China simply doesn't have the infrastructure to gather good data, and everyone knows this.

If one thing the Chinese authorities are good at, it's internal surveillance of its citizens. They have the data, but chose to hide the real impact of Covid in China.

a reply to: dandandat2

And that was probably the biggest mistake the west made (assuming of course it was a mistake); treating covid as if it was the "Big One" when we could all see very quickly that it was not ... and treating it like the "Big One" for a long time after it was clear it was not the "Big One".

Can you really blame them?

At the start of the pandemic all that anybody really knew was that Covid-19 was a novel virus from he same family as SARS and MERS. Both of which had a mortality rate of around 10 percent until people figured out how to bring it down.

It's why people were obsessed with wiping don surfaces, because SARS was primarily transmitted that way, not through the air.

Imagine if Covid was similarly dangerous.

It when it turned out that Covid-19 was less dangerous than SARS and MERS the government and the media stepped back and were extremely open about it having around a 1.3 percent mortality rate and it primarily effecting seniors and people with comorbidity.

But people simply won't let it go, and keep bringing up the early days even after the government stopped talking like that.

originally posted by: paraphi

originally posted by: AaarghZombies
China simply doesn't have the infrastructure to gather good data, and everyone knows this.

If one thing the Chinese authorities are good at, it's internal surveillance of its citizens. They have the data, but chose to hide the real impact of Covid in China.

Speaking as a Chinese speaker, and someone who actually lived there ... that's absolute nonsense.

China has an absolutely staggeringly large population, but also an absolutely staggeringly area both in the real world and online. Beijing has little or no idea what's happening in 80-90 percent of the country because there is simply too much country and too many people to keep track of.

Almost everything that happens slips under the radar, almost nobody gets caught, and almost nothing is reported accurately.

Everyone uses VPN, every movie that gets censored or blocked it sold openly on pirate DVDs in stores or is available from the Chinese version of Mega. We all knew about Tiananmen Square, we all knew about the Shanghai protests, and the government knew that we knew but only really cracked down on the people who tried to make a big thing out of it.

Beijing is neither interested in most of what happens nor has the ability to keep track of it all.

It's like how we keep hearing that the NSA uses computers to eavesdrop on every telephone call, and yet every drug dealer and their mother still uses phones freely.

The truth is that China does not have a joined up reporting mechanism. If 50 people get covid in a village somewhere their details get put down on a local computer system and maybe someone emails them through to a regional one when they can get round to it.

originally posted by: anonentity
a reply to: Faeded

The problem with collecting data in any totalitarian state is working out what the top people want to hear. Because if it isn't you get replaced or worse and possibly used as an example to be blamed for the problem.

That's actually the most accurate thing that I think I've ever heard you say regarding China or Covid.

Yes, absolutely this.

Only a very few people actually know where the government draws the line, and it's even an offense in China to reveal the topics that you're not supposed to talk about or the words that you can't use.

This is done deliberately because Beijing understands that if you tell people what they can't say some people will look for loopholes, or will push right up to the line as close as they can.

But if you keep people guessing, the majority will be overly cautious and will censor themselves.

In the US, it's the opposite, when reporting on things like Covid you have to provide certain information, and if you have information that is important but have a section on the form to include it, then it doesn't get included.

originally posted by: AaarghZombies
a reply to: dandandat2

And that was probably the biggest mistake the west made (assuming of course it was a mistake); treating covid as if it was the "Big One" when we could all see very quickly that it was not ... and treating it like the "Big One" for a long time after it was clear it was not the "Big One".

Can you really blame them?

At the start of the pandemic all that anybody really knew was that Covid-19 was a novel virus from he same family as SARS and MERS. Both of which had a mortality rate of around 10 percent until people figured out how to bring it down.

It's why people were obsessed with wiping don surfaces, because SARS was primarily transmitted that way, not through the air.

Imagine if Covid was similarly dangerous.

It when it turned out that Covid-19 was less dangerous than SARS and MERS the government and the media stepped back and were extremely open about it having around a 1.3 percent mortality rate and it primarily effecting seniors and people with comorbidity.

But people simply won't let it go, and keep bringing up the early days even after the government stopped talking like that.

I think everyone fully accepts the precautions taken in the early weeks of the pandemic.

But your wildly incorect when you say "the government and the media stepped back and were extremely open" when it became clear that Covid-19 was not the world ending virus it could have been.

Nope, on the contrary governments and media around the western world went on a scaremongering campaign for over two years. Shutting down businesses to the point of bankruptcy. Closing down schools to the point of multi year set backs in learning. Closed down the economy to the point that we will be feeling the results for years to come. All predicted on incorect assumptions, incomplete data, and hubris from the technocrats who relished their time to rock stars.

Harder stepping back and being open. And society will pay for these mistakes. When that world ending virus does come along no one will believe the technocrats who cried wolf this time around.