The next pope, the NWO and the Revelations... my theory

Jeeezus! I just lightened up on a theory about the Rapture and the last pope (who should be the Glory of the Olive, by the way, if the prophecy stands true)! This will seem bogus, but this is very realistic given the actual global political situation and yet it directly reflects the prophecy of the Rapture of the Church as it is written in the book of Daniels, the Gospels and the book of Revelations. If that has to happen that'll make you sh-t into your pants as it would be the most catastrophic political -and yet spiritual- event in the last few centuries, if not the entire history of mankind.

Am I the first one to glimpse into a catastrophic near-future??? Think about this:

[size=large]A 9/11 for the Vatican!!!

Sometime during the reign of the next pope, a terrible attack (probably nuclear) on the Vatican will be orchestrated by the very same neo-con, zionist cabal that set up 9/11, and once again, it's gonna be put on the back of Al Quaida, and consequently the Muslim world as a whole, since the news will tell the whole world that Al Quaida is still alive and every Muslim is a potential Al Quaida member... that there are sleeper cells in each and every major city in the world. For some time I've been wondering what could be the next target of the people who destroyed the WTC, but could'nt found one that's just as much symbolic and shoking as the WTC attack was. They have to find something that BIGGER, even more horrible than an attack on two twin giant skyscrapers that were the obvious, assumed symbol of the US financial empire. They have to find something that will shake up the entire Christian world -and yet the western world as a whole to its very basis... And what would stand as the best target of all for that??? The Vatican, of course!

The Roman Catholic Church is the institutional root of Christianity in the European civilisation, and even is many Churches and confessions have separated from Roman Catholicism, the Pope and the Vatican are still respected as powerful images of the global unity of Christian faith. Aside from the Vatican, Christianity consists of a handful of dispersed Chruches there and there, which all have their version of Christianity, which are slightly different form one to another. There is no unity, and moreover there is no RELIGIOUS CENTER, aside from the Vatican. Moreover, john-Paul II has greatly contributed to establish the Catholic Pope as somekind of global activist, who plays a limited, spiritual role into world events, and also as a general figure of wisdom, peace and trust... in the same way as the Dalai Lama.

So on the wake of this attack, the whole world -especially the Christian world- will plunge into a critical, unprecedented state of shock and terror, and many Christians will follow the mainstream view, forged-up by the media, that Muslims are to be blamed for this attack and therefore they must be either killed or forced into detention centers (this would explain the existence of the actual death camps that have been built in many US states). The pope will be declared dead, but just as the prophecy of Daniel and because this attack will be a big lie, the pope will still be alive, perhaps due to the secret protection from a few of his aides- and will be sent by plane to some remote location where he will govern what's left of the "real" Church for some time. And during these times of horrible chaos will come a person who possesses superhuman powers, and this being will be recognized by most as the Messiah, coming to save the world form turmoil and to resurrect Christianity. He will be recognized as the new pope by Catholics, and as his first move he will choose Jerusalem as the new seat of the "Born Again" Christian church (the notion of Born Again will take all of his significance, since the actual Born Again Christians, which are extremely anti-Muslim, zionists and war-mongering conservatist zealots, are just a taste of what most moderate Christians will become after these events). As do the antipopes during the dark ages, he will rule as a warring chief by using an emerging world government (made of the NATO, EU, US, and the UN) to strike back against Muslims and all the ones who will not follow his Church. This scenario might seem cheesy to some, but given the state in which the world will be after a devastating terrorist attack on the Vatican,

The purpose of that plan?

1- To bring down both Christianity and Islam, by alienating Catholics of a real Christian leader and to unite most Christians onto an unprecedented, murderous wave of hatred against Muslims in general (which would serve as boosting up the armies of the Western world and imposing a Police State -or finalizing it- over society); and thus to unleash a larger and more devastating War on Terror which will potentialy destroy all Muslim and socialist countries that refuse to submit to Israel's and the US's demands. All Muslims, atheists and Christians who refuse to follow will also be either imprisoned without trials or executed on sight, while the Jews and the Christians who have submitted to the false Messiah will follow a perversion of their own religion... they will be forced to steal, rape, lie, use violence and kill in the name of "God", or more specifically in the name of the person which will be claimed as being the new incarnation of God Himself.

2- To crown the Messiah that the Jews have been expecting for thousands of years. He will be introduced as the new Pope, and he will sit in Jerusalem, since the Vatican will have been destroyed, and he will be recognized by Jews as the Messiah, who came in a time of great chaos and devastation of the Church. Millions of Christians and Jews will submit to him, and he will impose a system of electronic surveillance (the mark of the Beast) of all markets in the world, and this will be justified as a system serving the purpose of making the world safer, without any terrorists or other dangerous criminals. All those who will resist to his rule will be killed for being felons and terrorists, if they not flee from society and try to live an alternate way (since the entire world will be submitted to the reign of this Messiah, as all the financial and political institutions of the united world -such as the WTO, NATO and the World Bank willl be under his control). He will be the first emperor of the world. But to the Christian and Muslim perspective, this "King" will be the False Prophet. The False Prophet will reign on Jerusalem for years and will defeat all resisting nations. China and Russia will enter into a great war against him, and the result will be either a near total destruction of the world by military force and later by thermonuclear war, or an "invasion" from outer space... where the forces of the true Christ will come down to Earth on "clouds" (spaceships) to annihilate the armies of the False Prophet and vainquish the devil and cleanse the evil of his empire.

What do you think of that?

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You are right on the money! I'm way ahead of you. I have writings I was inspired to write from ten years ago, saying basically the same thing you are saying. It's incredible isn't it, when it is all so very very clear. Take care brother

[edits all caps and vulgarity, warned member via u2u-nygdan]

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what rapture? the word isnt in the bible. the twinkling of an eye in 1cr15 is at the last trump, and 1thess4 is the reason that paul hurriedly wrote 2thess2.

btw, the vatican and the neo-con get along famously. Im betting they are planning on wedging themselves into the UN literature branch to secure their place as a permanent religious center. (perhaps a collateral reason for bushes UN WTO appointees?). This is no doubt very infuriating to some of those who share a similar slant and goals but are opposed to the church.

2thess2. it really doesnt matter who builds the temple in Jerusalem. as long as it gets done. * more than likely, the assault on the doctrine of fundamental xtianity will cause exactly what happened in the past, institutional appeasement. Maybe all sides will finally get along after all. I believe that doctrinal attacks will work faster than trying to get a self fufilling accusation of xtain hatemongering to set in , since there is a smarter branch of church members in power that would realize the results of allowing this to stick. (i could be wrong) *

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Its a very large universe out there. This world is only one of many that has humanoid life.

My take on this issue from my own research, analysis and mystical connections over decades, is that The Original Creator (TOC) will come here for the very first time and, with uniquely powerful Gifts of the Spirit, indirectly dethrone all the "gods and masters" in the traditional religions.

Who the Pope is at that time will be irrelevant other than the fact that he will be the last one.

TOC will not strive to unify the world's traditional religions but instead not recognize them as valid because large groups of subangels (common spirits) and angels (basically spiritual discarnates) started them; which is why the vast majority of us do not adhere to the same spiritual path and/or attend the same temple/church. The power of TOC will be far greater than the power of angel collectives and the angel prophets thereof -- like Issa/Jus Asaf/Jesus. When TOC manifests healing energies that surpass every prophet that has ever lived and then declares that all of them are not of Him/Her, then the power and truth of The Original Creator over the lower elements in the Spirit who have been deceiving humankind for centuries will be made obvious.

The power of a rarefied God Realized Master in The Light to create billions of galaxies far surpasses the yellow auric energy of angel collectives to work an occasional healing of a Homo sapien, to change water into wine, to create some bread, jewelry, etc. The power to create billions of galaxies translates into the power to heal millions of people at once of terminal affliction. No traditional prophet with Gifts from a large Group Entity of angels has even come close to pulling that off (then or now) because none of them were or are God Realized and none of them represent The Original Creator.

Depending upon the degree of resistance to TOC's divine interventions, the fate and very existence of this world and others will be decided upon. Regardless of whether or not this world survives: other, more spiritual civilizations will be cultivated on newly created (idyllic) planets. Additionally, The Zetan Empire, based on Zeta IV in the Zeta 2 Reticuli System, which harvests this planet (and others) and uses its peoples as laboratory animals and slaves (and has done so for many thousands of years), is even more likely to face obliteration than Terra -- as ending a self-serving, corrupt and imperialistic civilization is a great service to innocents and therefore to The Light on the Other Side.

The conflicts that will occur on and around this world, possibly ending in its destruction, will actually be minor battles in the grander scheme of wars between the forces of Intellect/Technology versus God/Magick. The latter will eventually win simply because God/Magick is what enabled the physical universe to exist in the first place.



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none of that will affect what i am talking about, unless it happens like right now. of course 2thess2 agrees that there will be someone passing himself off as what you consider TOC. the only disagreement here , is that you dont consider resurrection from the dead and creation of the world real miracles and try to pass off magic of old times as the xtain TOC. but guess what , it will still be under the framework of the established religions.

of course im hoping i see this for what it really is. asa true xtain .

Echtelion

You have got my vote, brother. Continue to speak your theory and spread the Word. I agree that everything you said is possible in the near future. I'd say the next 7 years if you believe the 2012 theory. If you just think logicially and ignore all the christianity theories you would still come to the conclusion that an attack on the Vatican could spark all of this.

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none of that will affect what i am talking about, unless it happens like right now. of course 2thess2 agrees that there will be someone passing himself off as what you consider TOC. the only disagreement here , is that you dont consider resurrection from the dead and creation of the world real miracles and try to pass off magic of old times as the xtain TOC. but guess what , it will still be under the framework of the established religions.

of course im hoping i see this for what it really is. asa true xtain .

There is emerging evidence that Issa/Jus Asaf/Jesus never died on the cross (just as the entity Seth through Jane Roberts espoused in the 1970s) but actually died at the age of eighty in India. Just before his passing, he proclaimed to be the Galilean Messiah. Go to our outside links page for websites that address this.

As far as resurrection from the dead being an example of a telekinetic miracle, yes, I agree that it is. I don't know about you, but if I had the ability to enter physicality at will in a body of my creation, I would be back constantly to check on my flock. The absence of this ability presented in recent times -- especially with all the obvious corruption and pedophile activities in Christian churches -- doesn't help to further the notion that Jesus/Issa ever had that ability in the first place.

As far as the creation of this world being a telekinetic miracle in itself, I wholeheartedly agree. But I don't agree that it was created by the Judeo-Christian god or any other "god" from this planet. It was part of the overall program of The Big Bang that was manifested billions of years ago by The Original Creator.

We are waiting for the coming of the One True God who is not infinite (just as the Universe is not infinite) but who is much more spiritually advanced than the forces that orchestrated the world's traditional religions centuries ago and the ones that currently empower them

Paul_Richard, is this site a hoax or what? The Illuminati reference is quite obvious (the "Society of Light", with an emblem foreshadowing the All Seeing Eye? Could'nt be more obvious than that!)

Actually there is no evidence which support that Iesu/Yesua was not crucified. But ther's a few stories that have been circulating for centuries about hiom being crucified, just as many other "agitators" or prophets have been during these times. The conservatism of the Jewish religion and the Roman Empire were very favorable factors for the crucifixion of any agitator who was claiming to be King of Jews. So I guess you'll come up with that awful story about Jesus's brother and how he was crucified at his place, and how Jesus watched the whole scene in the background... Yeah right. Just another unsubstantiated gnostic propaganda du jour. Moreover, this thread is not about questioning wheter Jesus has been


And if there has to be a god that will "not be infinite" to be crowned soon, then this "god" will be nothing else but the false messiah that's been prophetized for centuries by both Christians and Muslims alike (the "False Prophet" and the "Al Dajjal", who are both said to be superhuman in nature and will reign in Jerusalem before the return of Iesu on Earth). That will be the LESSER GOD currently known as the "Devil" (or Samael, the seventh archangel). Paul_Richard, by trying to debunk the end time prophecy, you're unintentionally giving it MORE CREDIBILITY!

Echtelion,

No, The Society Of Light logo that we use is not an Illuminati reference. We find that very notion nothing short of hilarious. It is sometimes amazing how fearful people are of symbolism.

Remember: symbols have no power of their own. It is what you put into them that matters.

I'd be happy to enlighten you as to what our logo symbolizes. The triangle represents the three aspects of being that many metaphysical schools of thought espouse: Mind, Body and Spirit. The radiant sphere in the triangle represents God Realization and the innovative approach of Heart Chakra Radiance for raising consciousness.

There...that wasn't so bad now was it?

Historical evidence is often anecdotal. Even "official documents" are often suspect to further a biased or simply uninformed perspective.

The links that I list on our site do in fact provide ample evidence to support the idea that Issa/Jesus was not crucified. There is also a very good book on the subject called "Jesus Lived In India, His Unknown Life Before And After The Crucifixion" by Holger Kersten.

If I were a disciple of someone who I held in high regard, the last thing I would do is hand him or her over to people who would inflict harm. So the whole idea of Issa escaping incarceration -- as Seth espouses and as recent evidence suggests -- makes a great deal of sense.

Also, as I stated previously, if Issa had the ability to come back from the dead, then why hasn't he done so to stop thousands of innocent children around the world from being sexually molested (and in some cases, raped) by pedophile Christian ministers and priests? (There are now cases coming out that some nuns also do this.)

Answer: Because Issa never had the ability to come back from the dead in the first place -- as he was only an angel prophet.

The Catholic Church is the largest Christian church on the planet. All Issa had to do was appear in the flesh to Pope John Paul II and order him to no longer hide pedophiles in the clergy but have them excommunicated with proper legal action also taken against them.

Nope. Not Issa. He didn't and doesn't have the compassion or moral wherewithal to do that.

To harbor the notion that a god would side with pedophiles or to even be an enabler for pedophiles (who preach in his name no less) points to an inferior god -- or more appropriately -- a false god.

So unless Issa gets his moral act together and starts acting like a god and not just an overinflated prophet (e.g., by getting his butt down here and stopping his priests, nuns and ministers from sexually abusing thousands of innocent children), he remains to many people to not be representative of The Original Creator.

Feel free to work any voodoo Christian magick to get him and Church leaders to do this. I will remain justifiably skeptical until the evidence points to the contrary.

Hey, you can believe in any god you want. But if you want to convince others, your "god" has to portray a lot more character and compassion for innocents.

There is another humorous aspect to all this. If all the world's traditional religions were started by large Group Entities, which I believe to be true, then why would the One True God, when He comes, desire to build or create a temple that represents a faith or faiths that He had nothing to do with?



Answer: He will not.

IOW, the One True God will not want to "reign in Jerusalem" simply because Jerusalem and all the Christian and Jewish "holy sites" are not holy to the highly evolved. They are only sacred to those who practice the old archaic religions that elevate and worship false gods.

So even the thought of the One True God wanting to rule Jerusalem is ludicrous.

By the way, there are also cases of Jewish Rabbis sexually abusing innocent children. This points to the false god known as Yahweh also having been only a large Group Entity.

Enjoy the fantasy for as long as you can.

Once it is gone, it is never coming back because He will not allow it



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If I were a disciple of someone who I held in high regard, the last thing I would do is hand him or her over to people who would inflict harm. So the whole idea of Issa escaping incarceration -- as Seth espouses and as recent evidence suggests -- makes a great deal of sense.

History is full of disciples, followers and collaborators who end up betraying or deceiving their own masters/leaders. Just look at Josef Staline or the conspirators who assasinated Julius Caesarus. These are two of the most obvious examples. The story of Judas Iscariot betraying Jesus actually makes sense, as under many cicumstances a group or collective can be betrayed by at least one of its members when confronted to higher powers (which can easily subdue him in exchange of political or financial bribery). Nobody in Jesus's disciples, aside from Judas, wanted to let their master being taken by the Romans and it is made clear in the Gospels. Did regular folks like them had the power to change the person that was to be crucified? No. Only the Jewish clerics, the Roman governor and the king had such power. If there's a thing that does'nt make sense, it's this.

I have been looking into revelations a lot lately. I believe the next Pope will be a false prophet or even antichrist.BTW Can anybody tell me about the 7 Churches of Asia?

psh... As long as it doesnt happen til the end of 2005, im okay them....I HAVE PLANS...

Nice theory, but it sounds so unoriginal....everyone had that prediction... you gotta come up with a better scenerio or something...damn conformist..(j/k)

Well do u know where it would safe to hide? Gilligan's Island, Maybe?

Nice one...

I really like the part about the "mark of the beast".

What if the attack on the vatican reveals/releases what was in the vaults underneath, (a literal pandora's box) I.E. Information / Items that could allow someone to control the entire earth.

Not only does it not matter whether or not that the vatican is destroyed, to the illuminati, but they would LOVE to see an excuse for a religious pearl habour realiation. Hell, they created the inquisitions for pete's sake!

How would this scenario sit with the remainder of the worlds major religions ?

Islam and Christianity [taken as a broad church] between them 'only' make up about 55% of the worlds religions.

That leaves a lot of people who would need to go along with this from outside those faiths - let alone the detractors within them. Ok I'm sure that most people would be somewhat affected at the destruction of anything by a nuke these days, perhaps even more so at the sacrilege of nuking a religious and cultural centre, but I dunno, seems like a lot of people to swing around.

As an atheist, this may sound like an odd thing to say, but I'm quite content that these really are the last days.
I think it'll end, not with political instability, war and terrorism, although they'll come first - but when we catch all 20km of that meteor that's just around the corner, or when one of our own 'super-volcano's' decides that today's the day and happily pumps tens or hundreds of thousands of cubic kilometres of stuff into the atmosphere.

I could be completely wrong of course, and we may yet see the angels/aliens thing come off.

this thread is rediculous

Originally posted by Echtelion

If I were a disciple of someone who I held in high regard, the last thing I would do is hand him or her over to people who would inflict harm. So the whole idea of Issa escaping incarceration -- as Seth espouses and as recent evidence suggests -- makes a great deal of sense.

History is full of disciples, followers and collaborators who end up betraying or deceiving their own masters/leaders. Just look at Josef Staline or the conspirators who assasinated Julius Caesarus. These are two of the most obvious examples. The story of Judas Iscariot betraying Jesus actually makes sense, as under many cicumstances a group or collective can be betrayed by at least one of its members when confronted to higher powers (which can easily subdue him in exchange of political or financial bribery). Nobody in Jesus's disciples, aside from Judas, wanted to let their master being taken by the Romans and it is made clear in the Gospels. Did regular folks like them had the power to change the person that was to be crucified? No. Only the Jewish clerics, the Roman governor and the king had such power. If there's a thing that does'nt make sense, it's this.

Well...some disciples are more competent than others.

and if none of this comes to pass, which i seriously believe, will you, all of you that have made these doomsay predictions, do the honorable thing and shut up after admitting you were completely wrong and offered nothing to the world but dividing ideology?

As an atheist, this may sound like an odd thing to say, but I'm quite content that these really are the last days.

Yeah that's what I think too, in a way. The people have become far too corrupt by capitalism (and materialism), so much that they're not interesting anymore, at least in the Western world. Humans are more like beasts than the "intelligent animals" that they use to be. Now I understand why God would like to end it all, take the best of humans among us... the ones that followed the message of Christ, and restart the world on better grounds by leaving the rest to flames.

I don't even think that I'll be saved of it has to happen... who has the strenght to love others these days, and be selfless with those in need? You can count them with your fingers...

Astroblade, yeah, I will shut up. Mind yourself that I observed all these dupes that preached this stupid Planet X prophecy having their prophecy being proved wrong by the test of time, and know where blind convictions differs from making up THEORIES about the rapture that I still recongnize to the a possibility rather than a fatality. Thsi is only a "what if"... nothing more than that. The Revelation can happen in 5 years as in 50 years to me, and as far as I'm concerned, there's an end to all things. Our absurd civilisation will ultimately destroy itself if it's not by the powers that be.

All that matters is that I find the Kingdom of God before I die...