Russians Flee Draft

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Despite government assurances only those with military service background will be drafted, multiple reports are emerging of draft papers being sent to people with no prior military experience.

Amid uncertainty over the scope of the draft, news reports and social media posts showed long lines of cars backed up on Russia's border crossings with Finland and Georgia, to the west, and Kazakhstan and Mongolia to the south.

Tickets for flights out of Russia to countries with visa-free travel — such as Armenia and Turkey — are either sold out or have soared in price.

In Moscow, a channel on the social media app Telegram claimed to track the movements of recruitment officers throughout the city — even the metro — in real time.

I don't blame them. do your duty but how can you justify invading your neighbors
especially so poorly managed

don't want no war

a reply to: ElGoobero

I think Russia is actually doing a full mobilization anyway, its probaby 3x the 300k num,bers

40 - 50 - 60 year olds to collage kids?

Still isn't going to win the war IMO

Isn't military service in Russia compulsory for a year unless you can buy your way out? So if people that have never served are getting draft notices wouldn't that mean that the sons of the wealthy are getting them?

I'm sure that will work out well for Putin.

a reply to: ElGoobero

The Russians "flee draft".

Ukrainians flocked to the defense of their homeland when Russia invaded.


Says alot about the likely outcome of the conflict.

This is bad news, I don't like it. Where is this going to end?
It is ofcourse a reaction to the new weapons on the battlefield hurting the russians, but it's not going to change the tide.
They just opened a nasty can of worms inside russia, this will create discontent.
The gorey days of mindless sacrifice to the motherland are over, this is no great patriotic war. This is just an ordinary landgrab.

a reply to: ElGoobero

I read this article a few minutes ago:


Russia drafted an old man with diabetes, a 17-year-old, and people with no training to fight in Ukraine

A video shared on social media showed one such recruitment drive in an unnamed location in Russia. In it, a recruiting officer yells at a room full of men that they now belong to the military, and will be sent to fight after only two weeks of training.

Two weeks of training and then off to the meatgrinder.

originally posted by: Mantiss2021
a reply to: ElGoobero

The Russians "flee draft".

Ukrainians flocked to the defense of their homeland when Russia invaded.


Says alot about the likely outcome of the conflict.

Did you just make that up?
Back in February Ukraine placed a ban on males 18-60 from leaving the country.

This is wild.

Now we can see the fruits of an All volunteer force here in the US.

However, I wouldn't pat ourselves on the back, since the Woke Virus has plagued our Military institutions and combat readiness.

originally posted by: tamusan
a reply to: ElGoobero

I read this article a few minutes ago:


Russia drafted an old man with diabetes, a 17-year-old, and people with no training to fight in Ukraine

A video shared on social media showed one such recruitment drive in an unnamed location in Russia. In it, a recruiting officer yells at a room full of men that they now belong to the military, and will be sent to fight after only two weeks of training.

Two weeks of training and then off to the meatgrinder.

One of our own ATS regular posters was Drafted

Maybe that explains why we havent heard from the other ones for a while

a reply to: Muninn

I was about to write this as I had the tab open a while. And many Ukrainians trying to leave the country, were shuttled back to the front.

This is not to say Ukrainian men are cowards, but to point out it's not like "flocking".

a reply to: ElGoobero

I am amused how people whatever the Mainstream News Media tells you.

And you believe the protests in Iran are very real and arent a Color Revolution dont you.

a reply to: TDDAgain

Good point how many Ukrainians were fleeing when the word got out when the Ukrainian mobilization started? you have a American puppet president telling Zelensky calls on Russians to 'protest' mobilisation?

How many fled Zelensky's mobilisation?

a reply to: tamusan

The majority of the Ukrainian soldiers are also young and have no training only some are trained by western countries.

a reply to: ElGoobero

For those of us old enough to have lived through it, the dynamic of this is highly reminiscent of the Vietnam war.

In both cases, the superpower interfering in the smaller country was experiencing no direct and imminent threat from the smaller country. We intervened in Vietnam because of the "domino theory". If we didn't stop the Communists in Vietnam, then they would take Cambodia, etc., etc., and pretty soon the Communists would take over the world. The same with Ukraine. If Russia doesn't take over Ukraine now, NATO will be on their border in a few years, etc., etc.

In both cases, the invading superpower had numerical and technological military superiority over the defenders and assumed that they would inevitably win simply by grinding the enemy down. The idea that they could lose was considered laughable at the outset.

In both cases, the defenders were highly motivated and were convinced they had history and righteousness on their side. They were volunteers fighting for their homeland and for self determination.

In both cases, many invaders were draftees who had no idea why they were there, didn't want to be, and thought they were on the wrong side of the issue. As a result, many of them turned to alcohol and drugs to try to dull the spiritual pain. Others turned to material sabotage, self-injury, and "fragging" of their commanders to get out of combat. Civilians at home engaged in mass protests, draft refusal, and escape to nearby sanctuary countries (such as Canada, Belarus, Kazakhstan) rather than participate in an obvious, deadly farce.

After the invaders failed to achieve their initial objectives, the national leaders (LBJ, Putin) doubled down and decided to expend more men and materiel to forestall the time when they would have to admit defeat.

In both cases, the invaders threatened the use of nuclear weapons, when it became obvious they were going to lose.

Eventually, the US lost the Vietnam war in terms of its geopolitical objectives. Vietnam went Communist. Cambodia went Communist. Dominoes fell. In the end, it didn't matter. The US went on to experience continuous economic and political growth for 4 decades, becoming the largest military, political, and economic power on the planet. The Soviet Union was defeated and scattered.

When Russia loses this war, it also won't matter, in the end. They will either continue to be a kleptocracy of smaller and smaller dimensions or they will get rid of their kleptocratic leaders and have a brighter future. In either case, the Ukraine invasion will not have mattered. Tens of thousands of humans and billions of dollars will have been wasted for no purpose.

The main thing I can see that is different now compared to Vietnam is that the whole tragedy is playing out much faster now than in the late 60s--early 70s. As I recall, it took 2 or 3 years in Vietnam to get to the point where Russia is now in Ukraine. Probably because modern warfare is much more destructive now than it was 40 years ago and because information travels much faster now.

History doesn't repeat itself, but it rhymes.

originally posted by: Muninn

originally posted by: Mantiss2021
a reply to: ElGoobero

The Russians "flee draft".

Ukrainians flocked to the defense of their homeland when Russia invaded.


Says alot about the likely outcome of the conflict.

Did you just make that up?
Back in February Ukraine placed a ban on males 18-60 from leaving the country.

Was Ukraine being invaded by a much larger neighbor at the time?


Is anyone currently invading russia?

originally posted by: Mantiss2021
a reply to: ElGoobero

The Russians "flee draft".

Ukrainians flocked to the defense of their homeland when Russia invaded.


Says alot about the likely outcome of the conflict.

You don't think any Ukrainians fled to other countries to avoid being forced fight.

originally posted by: MidnightWatcher

originally posted by: Muninn

originally posted by: Mantiss2021
a reply to: ElGoobero

The Russians "flee draft".

Ukrainians flocked to the defense of their homeland when Russia invaded.


Says alot about the likely outcome of the conflict.

Did you just make that up?
Back in February Ukraine placed a ban on males 18-60 from leaving the country.

Was Ukraine being invaded by a much larger neighbor at the time?


Is anyone currently invading russia?

Lol @ your repeated reply.

Did I show any support for any side or lie about the ban?

Didn't think so.

originally posted by: Muninn

originally posted by: MidnightWatcher

originally posted by: Muninn

originally posted by: Mantiss2021
a reply to: ElGoobero

The Russians "flee draft".

Ukrainians flocked to the defense of their homeland when Russia invaded.


Says alot about the likely outcome of the conflict.

Did you just make that up?
Back in February Ukraine placed a ban on males 18-60 from leaving the country.

Was Ukraine being invaded by a much larger neighbor at the time?


Is anyone currently invading russia?

Lol @ your repeated reply.

Did I show any support for any side or lie about the ban?

Didn't think so.

No, you tried to project two obviously dissimilar things as similar.

originally posted by: Muninn

originally posted by: Mantiss2021
a reply to: ElGoobero

The Russians "flee draft".

Ukrainians flocked to the defense of their homeland when Russia invaded.


Says alot about the likely outcome of the conflict.

Did you just make that up?
Back in February Ukraine placed a ban on males 18-60 from leaving the country.

They did place a ban, however not much need for a enforcement. Now, they have too many volunteers.

Russia, however. Lots of support for this attack on a neighbor, until it got personal. The smarter ones are leaving, the young professionals are leaving . They are conscripting unqualified
Men for cannon fodder.
Rounding up 1000’s. Sending them to fight (die) also reduces the numbers of potential protestors.
Win/win for the old zombies running Russia into the dirt.


Great interview here, with a man that saw it coming and left the day before conscription began.

www.theatlantic.com...

originally posted by: 1947boomer
a reply to: ElGoobero

For those of us old enough to have lived through it, the dynamic of this is highly reminiscent of the Vietnam war.

In both cases, the superpower interfering in the smaller country was experiencing no direct and imminent threat from the smaller country. We intervened in Vietnam because of the "domino theory". If we didn't stop the Communists in Vietnam, then they would take Cambodia, etc., etc., and pretty soon the Communists would take over the world. The same with Ukraine. If Russia doesn't take over Ukraine now, NATO will be on their border in a few years, etc., etc.

In both cases, the invading superpower had numerical and technological military superiority over the defenders and assumed that they would inevitably win simply by grinding the enemy down. The idea that they could lose was considered laughable at the outset.

In both cases, the defenders were highly motivated and were convinced they had history and righteousness on their side. They were volunteers fighting for their homeland and for self determination.

In both cases, many invaders were draftees who had no idea why they were there, didn't want to be, and thought they were on the wrong side of the issue. As a result, many of them turned to alcohol and drugs to try to dull the spiritual pain. Others turned to material sabotage, self-injury, and "fragging" of their commanders to get out of combat. Civilians at home engaged in mass protests, draft refusal, and escape to nearby sanctuary countries (such as Canada, Belarus, Kazakhstan) rather than participate in an obvious, deadly farce.

After the invaders failed to achieve their initial objectives, the national leaders (LBJ, Putin) doubled down and decided to expend more men and materiel to forestall the time when they would have to admit defeat.

In both cases, the invaders threatened the use of nuclear weapons, when it became obvious they were going to lose.

Eventually, the US lost the Vietnam war in terms of its geopolitical objectives. Vietnam went Communist. Cambodia went Communist. Dominoes fell. In the end, it didn't matter. The US went on to experience continuous economic and political growth for 4 decades, becoming the largest military, political, and economic power on the planet. The Soviet Union was defeated and scattered.

When Russia loses this war, it also won't matter, in the end. They will either continue to be a kleptocracy of smaller and smaller dimensions or they will get rid of their kleptocratic leaders and have a brighter future. In either case, the Ukraine invasion will not have mattered. Tens of thousands of humans and billions of dollars will have been wasted for no purpose.

The main thing I can see that is different now compared to Vietnam is that the whole tragedy is playing out much faster now than in the late 60s--early 70s. As I recall, it took 2 or 3 years in Vietnam to get to the point where Russia is now in Ukraine. Probably because modern warfare is much more destructive now than it was 40 years ago and because information travels much faster now.

History doesn't repeat itself, but it rhymes.

I really appreciate this post!