Why doesn't God stop the shooter of a mass shooting.

originally posted by: Infinitis
a reply to: Untun

If God gave humanity free will, why would he stop us from using it? How else are we supposed to learn?

You can stop a child a million times when they try to stand on a chair... But it's not until you let them fall off the chair they start to learn why they never should have stood there to begin with.

But did God give humanity free will? Free will sounds to be allowed to do stupid and unlawful things. God wants to save you from your free will.

Someone once took a handfull of seeds and planted them in fertile ground.

Some seeds remained in the pocket and cursed the wind which did not intervene.

a reply to: Terpene

Every word in that book is second hand knowledge. Neither jesus nor the god wrote any of the texts. They were all humans, and power corrupts. the wealth and power established Christianity has, is reason for concern regarding their honesty, and motivations.

You are biased and closed minded simply by the fallacy of your reply.
The cohesiveness found in the scriptures alone is strong testimony
that it is of a single author. How else do 66 books of scripture get written
on three different continents in three different languages by 45
different authors? And yet it describes perfectly a history that you
make excuses for dismissal. The history of Gods patience with his
most cherished work that they may be redeemed. You don't want
God that's your choice just say that. Don't make false claims with
minimal knowledge about anything. And again your reply is indictive
of what you know about that book. That book itself is a miracle and
far to intelligent to be the work of men.

That's a very good question and I demand a perfect answer.

originally posted by: Untun

originally posted by: QwertyMyself
The shooter has free will.

Free will is universal law.

Free will sounds a lot like not caring about anybody in that manner while Jesus encourages to love your neighbour.

Not exactly. Free will is you can not care or care. If you care then it is all good. If you honestly don't care you have picked that path. This experience is about the choices each of us make daily and nothing more really. Can you love your neighbor at all as a brother or sister? Can you forgive? You will be forgiven just as you have forgiven those who have sinned against you.

originally posted by: Justoneman

originally posted by: Untun

originally posted by: QwertyMyself
The shooter has free will.

Free will is universal law.

Free will sounds a lot like not caring about anybody in that manner while Jesus encourages to love your neighbour.

Not exactly. Free will is you can not care or care. If you care then it is all good. If you honestly don't care you have picked that path. This experience is about the choices each of us make daily and nothing more really. Can you love your neighbor at all as a brother or sister? Can you forgive? You will be forgiven just as you have forgiven those who have sinned against you.

Talking about such.

Life brings forth mental disabilities. You lose pieces of yourself and these pieces are changed into objects used condescending and contemptuous against us. The part where we could forgive eachother is long gone, this is war.

a reply to: Untun

Well, that is a different subject. It is war. Someone has declared war on the people of Earth in the name of something that appears to be nefarious at best. So many lies, and so little accountability for those who would have us all dead but the 500 million they will "allow".

a reply to: Untun
maybe God wants us to save ourselves from free will. quite the paradox.

Maybe people need to stop waiting for God to save us and start working together.

a reply to: Randyvine2

And they had a good editor.

It was rewritten many times in the form of translating. Each version a little different, a little better in man's eyes. Similar words but subtle meaning changes.

Belief in God is one thing. Belief in a book about God, written by men is quite another.

The answer is the same as the answer to this question:

Why Does God Allow Suffering? (What Does the Bible Really Teach?)

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WHY SO MUCH SUFFERING?

People of various religions have gone to their religious leaders and teachers to ask why there is so much suffering. Often, the response is that suffering is God’s will and that he long ago determined everything that would ever happen, including tragic events. Many are told that God’s ways are mysterious or that he brings death upon people​—even children—​so that he can have them in heaven with him. As you have learned, though, Jehovah God never causes what is bad. The Bible says: “It is unthinkable for the true God to act wickedly, for the Almighty to do wrong!”​—Job 34:10.

Do you know why people make the mistake of blaming God for all the suffering in the world? In many cases, they blame Almighty God because they think that he is the real ruler of this world. They do not know a simple but important truth that the Bible teaches. You learned that truth in Chapter 3 of this book. The real ruler of this world is Satan the Devil.

The Bible clearly states: “The whole world is lying in the power of the wicked one.” (1 John 5:19) When you think about it, does that not make sense? This world reflects the personality of the invisible spirit creature who is “misleading the entire inhabited earth.” (Revelation 12:9) Satan is hateful, deceptive, and cruel. So the world, under his influence, is full of hatred, deceit, and cruelty. That is one reason why there is so much suffering.

A second reason why there is so much suffering is that, as discussed in Chapter 3, mankind has been imperfect and sinful ever since the rebellion in the garden of Eden. Sinful humans tend to struggle for dominance, and this results in wars, oppression, and suffering. (Ecclesiastes 4:1; 8:9) A third reason for suffering is “time and unexpected events.” (Read Ecclesiastes 9:11.) In a world without Jehovah as a protective Ruler, people may suffer because they happen to be in the wrong place at the wrong time.

It is comforting for us to know that God does not cause suffering. He is not responsible for the wars, the crimes, the oppression, or even the natural disasters that cause people to suffer. Still, we need to know, Why does Jehovah allow all this suffering? If he is the Almighty, he has the power to stop it. Why, then, does he hold back? The loving God that we have come to know must have a good reason.​—1 John 4:8.

A VITAL ISSUE IS RAISED

To find out why God allows suffering, we need to think back to the time when suffering began. When Satan led Adam and Eve into disobeying Jehovah, an important question was raised. Satan did not call into question Jehovah’s power. Even Satan knows that there is no limit to Jehovah’s power. Rather, Satan questioned Jehovah’s right to rule. By calling God a liar who withholds good from his subjects, Satan charged that Jehovah is a bad ruler. (Read Genesis 3:2-5.) Satan implied that mankind would be better off without God’s rulership. This was an attack on Jehovah’s sovereignty, his right to rule.

Adam and Eve rebelled against Jehovah. In effect, they said: ‘We do not need Jehovah as our Ruler. We can decide for ourselves what is right and what is wrong.’ How could Jehovah settle that issue? How could he teach all intelligent creatures that the rebels were wrong and that his way truly is best? Someone might say that God should simply have destroyed the rebels and made a fresh start. But Jehovah had stated his purpose to fill the earth with the offspring of Adam and Eve, and he wanted them to live in an earthly paradise. (Genesis 1:28) Jehovah always fulfills his purposes. (Isaiah 55:10, 11) Besides that, getting rid of the rebels in Eden would not have answered the question that had been raised regarding Jehovah’s right to rule.

Let us consider an illustration. Imagine that a teacher is telling his students how to solve a difficult problem. A clever but rebellious student claims that the teacher’s way of solving the problem is wrong. Implying that the teacher is not capable, this rebel insists that he knows a much better way to solve the problem. Some students think that he is right, and they also become rebellious. What should the teacher do? If he throws the rebels out of the class, what will be the effect on the other students? Will they not believe that their fellow student and those who joined him are right? All the other students in the class might lose respect for the teacher, thinking that he is afraid of being proved wrong. But suppose that the teacher allows the rebel to show the class how he would solve the problem.

Jehovah has done something similar to what the teacher does. Remember that the rebels in Eden were not the only ones involved. Millions of angels were watching. (Job 38:7; Daniel 7:10) How Jehovah handled the rebellion would greatly affect all those angels and eventually all intelligent creation. So, what has Jehovah done? He has allowed Satan to show how he would rule mankind. God has also allowed humans to govern themselves under Satan’s guidance.

The teacher in our illustration knows that the rebel and the students on his side are wrong. But he also knows that allowing them the opportunity to try to prove their point will benefit the whole class. When the rebels fail, all honest students will see that the teacher is the only one qualified to lead the class. They will understand why the teacher thereafter removes any rebels from the class. Similarly, Jehovah knows that all honesthearted humans and angels will benefit from seeing that Satan and his fellow rebels have failed and that humans cannot govern themselves. Like Jeremiah of old, they will learn this vital truth: “I well know, O Jehovah, that man’s way does not belong to him. It does not belong to man who is walking even to direct his step.”​—Jeremiah 10:23.

WHY SO LONG?

Why, though, has Jehovah allowed suffering to go on for so long? And why does he not prevent bad things from happening? Well, consider two things that the teacher in our illustration would not do. First, he would not stop the rebel student from presenting his case. Second, the teacher would not help the rebel to make his case. Similarly, consider two things that Jehovah has determined not to do. First, he has not stopped Satan and those who side with him from trying to prove that they are right. Allowing time to pass has thus been necessary. In the thousands of years of human history, mankind has been able to try every form of self-rule, or human government. Mankind has made some advances in science and other fields, but injustice, poverty, crime, and war have grown ever worse. Human rule has now been shown to be a failure.

[whereislogic: specifically regarding the question in the OP, in light of the background above:]

Second, Jehovah has not helped Satan to rule this world. If God were to prevent horrible crimes, for instance, would he not, in effect, be supporting the case of the rebels? Would God not be making people think that perhaps humans can govern themselves without disastrous results? If Jehovah were to act in that way, he would become party to a lie. However, “it is impossible for God to lie.”​—Hebrews 6:18.

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a reply to: whereislogic

Didn't Jesus supposedly crush Satan under his heel, and give the keys to the Kingdom of Heaven to Peter?

Isn't Satan already defeated? Have we not been tasked to act like Christ? Have we done a good job of bringing Heaven to Earth?

Instead, do we not act like Satan still has power over us?
Do we not bring forth Hell instead of Heaven?
Is it, in fact, our own damn fault there's so much misery and choas in the world.

It's not Satan's fault. It's not God's fault. It's our own damn fault.

So, instead of asking why God doesn't help us, ask instead why we aren't helping each other.

God supposedly gave his Son, or Himself, to die for us and his sacrifice is supposed to be enough for all of us. Yet, there are so many people who call themselves Christians who continue to say "Why God?" As if God hasn't done enough for us. God gave us the power to change our world for better or worse.

It's time people acknowledged their faults, came together, and worked to help each other out, their local communities, and started working towards bringing Heaven to Earth.

originally posted by: AutomateThis1v2
a reply to: whereislogic

Didn't Jesus supposedly crush Satan under his heel,

Not yet.

and give the keys to the Kingdom of Heaven to Peter?

“The keys of the Kingdom,” sometimes called “the keys to the kingdom,” represent the authority to open the way for people to “enter into the Kingdom of God.” (Matthew 16:19; The New American Bible; Acts 14:22) * [At times, the Bible uses the term “key” as a symbol of authority and responsibility.​—Isaiah 22:20-​22; Revelation 3:​7, 8.] Jesus gave Peter “the keys of the Kingdom of the heavens.” This means that Peter received the authority to unlock information about how faithful people, by receiving God’s holy spirit, could enjoy the privilege of entering the Kingdom in heaven.

Not sure why you brought that up in response to my earlier comment and in connection to Jesus crushing Satan under his heel, 2 unrelated events. Satan's position as "the ruler of this world" (John 14:30) does not change because of the event described at Matthew 16:19.

Isn't Satan already defeated?

He's been defeated in the war that broke out in heaven (Revelation 12:7-10,12; made a comment about that in the thread "A heaven against us." with some further details). He has not yet been defeated at Armageddon. At the moment he and his demons are banished from heaven and confined to the earth (see comment I mentioned). Satan is still very much "the ruler of this world". As in human wars, most wars don't end after 1 battle.

Have we not been tasked to act like Christ?

Yes, we have. One of those things Christians are tasked to do, or better said, not to do is described at 2 Cor 10:3-5:

“For though we walk in the flesh, we do not wage warfare* [“We do not wage warfare.” Lit., “we are not doing military service.” ...; Lat., non . . . mi·li·ta'mus.] according to what we are in the flesh. For the weapons of our warfare are not fleshly, but powerful by God for overturning strongly entrenched things. For we are overturning reasonings and every lofty thing raised up against the knowledge of God;”

“A careful review of all the information available goes to show that, until the time of Marcus Aurelius [121-180 C.E.], no Christian became a soldier; and no soldier, after becoming a Christian, remained in military service.” (The Rise of Christianity, by E. W. Barnes, 1947, p. 333) “It will be seen presently that the evidence for the existence of a single Christian soldier between 60 and about 165 A.D. is exceedingly slight; . . . up to the reign of Marcus Aurelius at least, no Christian would become a soldier after his baptism.” (The Early Church and the World, by C. J. Cadoux, 1955, pp. 275, 276) “In the second century, Christianity . . . had affirmed the incompatibility of military service with Christianity.” (A Short History of Rome, by G. Ferrero and C. Barbagallo, 1919, p. 382) “The behavior of the Christians was very different from that of the Romans. . . . Since Christ had preached peace, they refused to become soldiers.” (Our World Through the Ages, by N. Platt and M. J. Drummond, 1961, p. 125) “The first Christians thought it was wrong to fight, and would not serve in the army even when the Empire needed soldiers.” (The New World’s Foundations in the Old, by R. and W. M. West, 1929, p. 131) “The Christians . . . shrank from public office and military service.” (Editorial introduction to “Persecution of the Christians in Gaul, A.D. 177,” in The Great Events by Famous Historians, edited by R. Johnson, 1905, Vol. III, p. 246) “While they [the Christians] inculcated the maxims of passive obedience, they refused to take any active part in the civil administration or the military defence of the empire. . . . It was impossible that the Christians, without renouncing a more sacred duty, could assume the character of soldiers, of magistrates, or of princes.”—The Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire, by Edward Gibbon, Vol. I, p. 416.

Have we done a good job of bringing Heaven to Earth?

I don't think the Bible uses that exact description for what you possibly had in mind when phrasing that question, but regarding the specific point concerning military service and political office I used as an example earlier, some Christians have done a decent job according to historical documents such as the book Holocaust Politics, published in 2001, which says: “If more people practiced versions of what the Jehovah’s Witnesses preach and practice, the Holocaust could have been prevented and genocide would scourge the world no more.”

Instead, do we not act like Satan still has power over us?
Do we not bring forth Hell instead of Heaven?
Is it, in fact, our own damn fault there's so much misery and choas in the world.

You'll note that the book (chapter) I was quoting from in my previous comment lists 3 reasons why there is so much suffering, one of which was that: "mankind has been imperfect and sinful ever since the rebellion in the garden of Eden. Sinful humans tend to struggle for dominance, and this results in wars, oppression, and suffering. (Ecclesiastes 4:1; 8:9)" It is discussed in more detail in Chapter 3 of that book.

CHAPTER THREE: What Is God’s Purpose for the Earth?

a reply to: Untun

Because He gave man free will, evil is the secondary consequence of free will choices. But nobody escapes eternal judgment for the wicked deeds they do in this life and children who die before the age of accountability are with Him in heaven. There are eternal consequences for sin, nobody escapes punishment for unforgiven sins.

a reply to: Untun

Why would God want to save us from the free will that He gave to us? It’s impossible for there to be love without free will. For there to be love it must be freely given and freely received, God doesn’t create robotic automatons. Nobody can have an agape love relationship with a robot. Rebellion is the secondary consequence of free will, the freedom to choose relationship and love is also the freedom to reject relationship and love.

When God allows a terrible thing to happen
it's because he can.

a reply to: Untun

God allows creation to be terrible, it was never meant to be that way