Senemut Astronomical Ceiling Turns the World on its Head

a reply to: sraven

mass is constantly being added to the planet

Yeah. But in comparison to the total mass of the planet it don't amount to much.

The result? The scientists estimated the average change in Earth's radius to be 0.004 inches (0.1 millimeters) per year, or about the thickness of a human hair, a rate considered statistically insignificant.

www.sciencedaily.com...


The OP quotes Veliskovsy? Seriously? The guy who claimed that Venus is a comet which originated from Jupiter and careened around the solar system for a while before settling into its current orbit as a planet? Veliskovsy may have been a lot of things, but he was not a scientist of any sort. He just made stuff up based on his interpretation of various things. Like Sitchin did. And, as with Sitchin, some people will believe anything.

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: sraven

mass is constantly being added to the planet

Yeah. But in comparison to the total mass of the planet it don't amount to much.

The result? The scientists estimated the average change in Earth's radius to be 0.004 inches (0.1 millimeters) per year, or about the thickness of a human hair, a rate considered statistically insignificant.

www.sciencedaily.com...

The result? The scientists estimated the average change in Earth's radius to be 0.004 inches (0.1 millimeters) per year, or about the thickness of a human hair, a rate considered statistically insignificant.

.004 X 65 million years = 260,000 inches
260,000 inches/12 inches per foot = 21,667 feet
21,667 feet/5280 feet per mile = 4.1 miles.

so over the last 65 million years the radius has increase by 4 miles.
So when the Tyrannosaurus was roaming the earth the planet was smaller and had less gravity - might explain gigantism.

originally posted by: Macenroe82
a reply to: Scott Creighton

Totally a shot in the dark, but it would be funny if we found out the artist got his sketch drawing upside down lol
And accidentally painted it backwards

Hi Mac,

I get what you're thinking but it doesn't work. You might easily be able to flip things and draw them back to front with a simple E-W inversion. However, it is ONLY in the northern sky of the southern hemisphere that you will ever see Sirius higher than Orion. It is ONLY in the southern hemisphere that you will see Orion and Sirius ABOVE the ecliptic and not below it (as we observe in the northern hemisphere). Even if you flip the ceiling image 180°, you cannot change the fact that Orion and Sirius are above the ecliptic. This can ONLY be observed in the southern hemisphere.

Regards,

SC

originally posted by: Terpene
It's a common error in projecting, to invert axes. Occams razor would propably go with that...

But maybe teocentryzm was a thing?

This doesn't explain why Sirius is higher than Orion or why both Orion and Sirius are BOTH above the ecliptic. That they are ABOVE the ecliptic cannot be inverted with a 180° turn or flip projection. This can ONLY be seen from the southern hemisphere.

SC

a reply to: DaRAGE

Also… you have a forum dedicated to you? Are you the new owner of ATS?

What are you talking about?

originally posted by: bobs_uruncle

originally posted by: Skada


Personally, I would think it should be placed 10,000-15,000 years ago. I am just wondering if archeology is being messed with like everything else. What was that line.... "When they believe all our lies are truths, then we will be ready."

Cheers - Dave

My guess too.

We are overdue another pole flip from what I read here & there. But who knows, I have zero knowledge about this ,although everything ancient Egypt is always super interesting

Maybe they traveled to the Southern Hemisphere and were describing how the sky looked on their journey?

a reply to: PiratesCut

Hi PC,

There are many texts that speak of an Earth once being inverted and even of the sun rising in the west and setting in the east. Here are just some:

And Noah saw that the Earth had tilted and that its destruction was near.

Behold, the Lord maketh the earth empty, and maketh it waste, and turneth it upside down. . . . The earth shall reel to and fro like a drunkard . . . and it shall fall, and not rise again.

And it shall come to pass in that day, saith the Lord God, that I will cause the sun to go down at noon, and I will darken the earth in the clear day.

The pillars of heaven were broken and the corners of the earth gave way. Hereupon Nu Kua melted stones of the five colours to repair the heavens, and cut off the feet of the tortoise to set upright the four extremities of the earth. Gathering the ashes of reeds she stopped the flooding waters and thus rescued the land of Chi.

The earth shook to its foundations. The sky sank lower towards the north. The sun, moon and stars changed their motions. The earth fell to pieces and the waters in its bosom uprushed with violence and overflowed . . . the system of the universe was totally disordered.

Now this has the form of a myth, but really signifies a declination of the bodies moving in the heavens around the earth, and a great conflagration of things upon the earth, which recurs after long intervals.

This time he ordered the Twins, Poquanghoya and Palongawhoya, to leave their stations at the North and South poles and let the world be destroyed. . . . After the Twins left their stations, the world’s stability was removed and so it flipped end over end and everything on it was destroyed by ice.

In controversial book Worlds in Collision (1950), the Russian scholar Immanuel Velikovsky proposed that in remote antiquity the Earth suffered a series of catastrophes as a result of a reorientation of its terrestrial axis and cited many additional ancient sources that testify to this cataclysmic event.

In the second book of his history, Herodotus relates his conversations with Egyptian priests on his visit to Egypt. . . . The priests asserted that within historical ages and since Egypt became a kingdom, four times in this period (so they told me) the sun rose contrary to his wont; twice he rose where he now sets, and twice he set where he now rises.

Velikovsky goes on to present a wealth of other documentary evidence from Egypt and much farther afield, all testifying to the veracity of an ancient pole shift event:

Pomponius Mela, a Latin author of the first century, wrote: “the course of the stars has changed direction four times, and that the sun has set twice in that part of the sky where it rises today.”

The Magical Papyrus Harris speaks of a cosmic upheaval of fire and water when “the south becomes north, and the Earth turns over.”

In the Papyrus Ipuwer it is similarly stated that “the land turns round [over] as does a potter’s wheel” and the “Earth turned upside down.”

In the Ermitage Papyrus (Leningrad, 1116b recto) also, reference is made to a catastrophe that turned the “land upside down.”

Harakhte is the Egyptian name for the western sun. . . . The inscriptions do not leave any room for misunderstanding: “Harakhte, he riseth in the west.”

The texts found in the pyramids say that the luminary [the sun] “ceased to live in the Occident [the west], and shines, a new one, in the orient [the east].”

Plato wrote in his dialogue, “The Statesman” (Politicus) “I mean the change in the rising and setting of the sun and the other heavenly bodies, how in those times they used to set in the quarter where they now rise, and used to rise where they now set. . . . At certain periods the universe has its present circular motion, and at other periods it revolves in the reverse direction.”

According to a short fragment of a historical drama by Sophocles (Atreus), the sun rises in the east is only since its course was reversed. “Zeus . . . changed the course of the sun, causing it to rise in the east and not in the west.”

Caius Julius Solinus, a Latin author of the third century of the present era, wrote of the people living on the southern borders of Egypt: “The inhabitants of this country say that they have it from their ancestors that the sun now sets where it formerly rose.”

“The Chinese say that it is only since a new order of things has come about that the stars move from east to west. . . . The signs of the Chinese zodiac have the strange peculiarity of proceeding in a retrograde direction, that is, against the course of the sun.”

The Eskimos of Greenland told missionaries that in an ancient time the earth turned over and the people who lived then became antipodes.

In Tractate Sanhedrin of the Talmud it is said: “Seven days before the deluge, the Holy One changed the primeval order and the sun rose in the west and set in the east.”

The Egyptian papyrus known as Papyrus Anastasi IV contains a complaint about gloom and the absence of solar light; it says also: “The winter is come as (instead of) summer, the months are reversed, and the hours disordered.”

SC

originally posted by: Signals
Maybe they traveled to the Southern Hemisphere and were describing how the sky looked on their journey?

Maybe.

Or maybe it really has someting to do with this:

Ancient Pole Shft Traditions

SC

a reply to: sraven

4.1 mi / 3958 mi = 0.1%. That ain't much and when one considers the crustal recyling that goes on, it would not seem to apply to very long periods of time.

So when the Tyrannosaurus was roaming the earth the planet was smaller and had less gravity

Surface gravity is based upon the density of a planet. Is cosmic deposition somehow increasing the density of Earth? Is the material much more dense than that which composes the cores, mantle, and crust of the Earth? If not, one might assume that if the earth were indeed getting "bigger", gravity would be decreasing since the surface is moving away from the center of gravity. But not enough to matter much, surface gravity varies according to where you happen to be standing. For example, I would weigh about one pound less (0.5%) at the equator than I would at the North Pole.

From a qualitative argument, it is shown that the observed Late Palaeozoic and Early Mesozoic palaeomagnetic data are not what should be expected from an expanded Earth. We conclude that it appears unlikely that the Earth has expanded significantly since the Early Mesozoic.

gji.oxfordjournals.org...

a reply to: Scott Creighton

Thank You for this!
Seems I did not ask enough or more likely the right questions while searching.
Is it me or do search engines seem to get stuck on stupid at times and just keep regurgitating the same answers no matter how you ask them….
Great OP, thank you!

a reply to: Scott Creighton

Was Thuban of no significance to the ancient Egyptians? It would seem odd that it is not represented in an astronomical (as opposed to astrological?) representation of the sky.

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: Scott Creighton

Was Thuban of no significance to the ancient Egyptians? It would seem odd that it is not represented in an astronomical (as opposed to astrological?) representation of the sky.

Why do you think Thuban was significant to the ancient Egyptians?

SC

a reply to: Scott Creighton

It was their pole star, as Polaris is ours. The only star which doesn't change position through the night. Makes it quite special in the sky.

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: Scott Creighton

It was their pole star, as Polaris is ours. The only star which doesn't change position through the night. Makes it quite special in the sky.

If the Earth was inverted, as many ancient traditions tell us and the Senemut Ceiling appears to show us, how can you be certain Thuban "...was their pole star..."?

SC

a reply to: Scott Creighton


From your OP:

As the panel labels suggest, the top ceiling panel is oriented southwards while the northern panel at the bottom of the image is aligned to cardinal north.

Seems that a star at cardinal north (and doesn't move in the night sky) might be of some astronomical (as opposed to astrological or religious) significance. Doesn't matter if it is "inverted" or not.


What do you reckon it would take to turn the planet upside down, btw? Nibiru?

Are you the new owner of ATS?

I asked him the same thing

a reply to: DaRAGE

a reply to: Scott Creighton

Do you know of any ancient Sanskrit texts around 1500 BCE that mention a catastrophe?

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: Scott Creighton


From your OP:

As the panel labels suggest, the top ceiling panel is oriented southwards while the northern panel at the bottom of the image is aligned to cardinal north.

Seems that a star at cardinal north (and doesn't move in the night sky) might be of some astronomical (as opposed to astrological or religious) significance. Doesn't matter if it is "inverted" or not.

Well it does matter. If the Earth was once inverted, then Thuban would not have been seen from Giza.

So, I ask again - If the Earth was inverted, as many ancient traditions tell us and as the Senemut Ceiling appears to show us, how can you be certain Thuban "...was their pole star..."?

SC

a reply to: Scott Creighton

f the Earth was inverted, as many ancient traditions tell us and as the Senemut Ceiling appears to show us

Ancient traditions also tell us the Earth is flat.


Do you think the bottom panel is an accurate representation of the night sky, astronomically? What do you reckon turned the world over?