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a reply to: Zanti Misfit

They lost all the mummies.......really?

What happens when more turn up or melt out the permafrost?

Do they make those ones disappear also?

Next it will be Corey Goode i suppose.

Come on Zanti Misfit, just think of the logistics alone?

It would be easier to fake a moon landing ffs.

originally posted by: andy06shake

Don't think diamond saws and lasers, but rather lost, or different technological processes, that we have forgotten or are yet to rediscover.

That's just our limited way of attempting to justify what they build via own measures and rod because its how we would do so.

The problem is you don't need lost tech that we do not know about to do it all. It is a fantasy you seem to think about when reality is very smart but basic ideas and tools. BTW just what would be this lost tech since we are now so far advance that it could be actually something we do not know about?

Once again we are talking about working raw stone...

a reply to: Xtrozero

How can i tell you what the technology or procedure would be if it is lost?

Stab in the dark, they somehow managed to find a way to mould some types of stone almost like we would clay.

Possibly utilising sonics/harmonic resonance or even the rays of the sun, maybe both.

I don't know about stone levitation or the like, seems really far gone, we can levitate certain small objects just now, with the correct frequencies and a powerful enough amplifier all the same.

The problem is these places and stone works existence and the fact that they did not have the likes of powered diamond saws or lasers back then.

Just spit bailing pre history all the same.

a reply to: Zanti Misfit

If you have evidence please reveal it, but if you claim evidence exists but is being suppressed then that's as good as having no evidence at all.

SO what is it: Do you have evidence to present, or is it that you base your claim on the possibility of evidence?

a reply to: andy06shake

Ah , Really Stupid Post Andy , maybe wanna Rethink that one . Mummies ? Who is talking about Mummies ?

a reply to: Zanti Misfit

I'm just generalising but.

Mummies, skeletons, your talking about giants, or if you wish to get biblical Nephilim.

You maybe want to rethink the Smithsonian in conjunction with TPTB or whatnot having the ability to hide such a thing if it were true.

originally posted by: andy06shake

How can i tell you what the technology or procedure would be if it is lost?

Stab in the dark, they somehow managed to find a way to mould some types of stone almost like we would clay.

Think about it.... All we know today, All the knowledge we know down to subatomic levels, computers, advance knowledge on everything at a 1000 times even from 1800s, and you talk of tech they had to move, make, cut stone was something lost that is beyond what we would know today? Does that even make sense?

I don't know about stone levitation or the like, seems really far gone, we can levitate certain small objects just now, with the correct frequencies and a powerful enough amplifier all the same.

Well it would be with stone, wood and maybe simple metals... The only thing that could be what you are talking about is real magic of some kind, magic like Lord of the Rings magic...

originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: Xtrozero

Don't think diamond saws and lasers, but rather lost, or different technological processes, that we have forgotten or are yet to rediscover.

That's just our limited way of attempting to justify what they build via own measures and rod because its how we would do so.

You are afraid my diagram (not mine, btw) doesn't explain it.
I am not afraid, and the diagram certainly does explain it.
Romans could write, you know, and a couple of things they wrote about construction have survived - including a long treatise on constructing with stone.
Given that a Roman wrote about how Romans quarried, shaped and moved large stones, and given that Baalbek has been shown to be Roman ashlar construction - all the way down to the bedrock - you can be "afraid" all you want but rational people know the site is fully explained.

As I said concerning Gobekli Tepe, the construction is entirely explained. The cultural reasons for building, burying and rebuilding the site will probably never be fully explained, since there was no writing. That's the "why," and "why" is almost ALWAYS an unanswerable question when documentation is missing.
You can ask the same "why" questions about events that occurred last year, so not knowing every detail about events that occurred over 10,000 years ago is not surprising.

Harte

a reply to: Harte

Terrified.

Lets see you make it work then?

Catch it on CNN or the discovery channel tomorrow will we?

Say what you want your as confused as the rest of us.

Don't worry Harte, its ok not to know something. x

a reply to: Xtrozero

Things disappearing and forgetting how they are made happens Xtrozero.

Else away and go and make Roman concrete, Greek fire, the Lycurgus Cup, or what about some real Damascus steel.

Lets see you make those the way they used to?

Those process are lost to the annals of time.

“Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic”.

Will we go with a product from this day of age that's been lost, go make me some "Starlite"?

en.wikipedia.org...

People have been trying to do that since about the turn of the millennium with varying degrees of success.

I watched a guy demonstrate that stuff on "Tomorrows World" back in the 1980/90s, a hair dresser by trade, and we still cannot replicate his recipe same way he did.

originally posted by: andy06shake

Things disappearing and forgetting how they are made happens Xtrozero.

Else away and go and make Roman concrete, Greek fire, the Lycurgus Cup, or what about some real Damascus steel.

Greek fire... There is only so many basic compounds they had access too.

Quicklime - Quicklime also known as calcium oxide (white, caustic, lumpy powder )
Saltpeter - Saltpeter aka Sodium nitrate is a type of salt which has long been used as an ingredient in explosives
Bitumen - Asphalt and tar are the most common forms of bitumen. The city...

When someone says we do not know exactly, yes maybe since we would need a sample, but we can figure out the main ingredients very easily and repeat it. Its like ancient beer, not hard to tell what went into it even without having an actual sample of the yeast they used...lol.

Lycurgus Cup, we know every component in the glass, it seems it was just one batch only made, so not a recipe so to speak as they played around mixing compounds into their glass, but we know why and how the glass changes color.

The dichroic effect is achieved by making the glass with tiny proportions of nanoparticles of gold and silver dispersed in colloidal form throughout the glass material. The process used remains unclear, and it is likely that it was not well understood or controlled by the makers, and was probably discovered by accidental "contamination" with minutely ground gold and silver dust. The glass-makers may not even have known that gold was involved, as the quantities involved are so tiny; they may have come from a small proportion of gold in any silver added (most Roman silver contains small proportions of gold), or from traces of gold or gold leaf left by accident in the workshop, as residue on tools, or from other work.

Damascus steel, nothing really special about it other than it was steel in a iron world, so it was far superior back then as early as 300 BC, but by today's standards not so much. Still crazy to think about an army with steel swords going up against raw iron.

Damascus steel is a famed type of steel recognizable by the watery or wavy light and dark pattern of the metal. Aside from being beautiful, Damascus steel was valued because it maintained a keen edge, yet was hard and flexible. Weapons made from Damascus steel were vastly superior to weapons formed from iron! Although modern high-carbon steels made using the 19th century Bessemer process surpass the quality of Damascus steel, it remains an outstanding material, particularly for its day. There are two types of Damascus steel: cast Damascus steel and pattern-welded Damascus steel.

I lived in Japan for 5 years and researched Japanese swords. It is an interesting process. They get iron from just a few mines in Japan, so there could be slight differences in iron ore, but I think we know the exact location of the iron mines in Damascus, so we have that. So the secrets of steel in Japan is how much carbon do you put into it. There is two layers with low carbon inside to give some flexibility and so it just doesn't shatter, and high carbon outer layers to get and keep a sharp edge. The Japanese actually use rice husks as their carbon. The next "secret" is a cooling process or "quenching" each house holds that secret dear, but with Damascus we have reversed engineered the steel knowing down to the molecule what went into it and the cooling process to make the same steel today.

For example, F.N. Sharp uses a combination of VG10 and VG2 steel to reveal a feathered Damascus pattern. VG10 contains roughly 1% carbon and molybdenum, 15% chromium, 1.5% cobalt, and less than 1% vanadium, manganese and phosphorus, while VG2 is comprised of roughly 1% carbon, 15% chromium, and less than 1% copper, molybdenum and nickel. The addition of manganese to VG10 produces a darker color steel, while the inclusion of nickel in VG2 provides a bright silver tone.

All three cases you are talking recipes, OK, do we know if Granma's secret was to spit into the dough? Nope, but does it really matter in the end, we know all the elements and compounds it was made of, and at a level way advance to what the original makers could ever fathom. We could if wanted to reinvent each as we did with Damascus steel, but what we were talking about was cutting, shaping, moving giant stone works that really comes down to some basic Mechanical Advantage which first started about 5000 BC and the simple pully came on the scene around 1000 to 2000 BC, add in a lot of humans and a lot of time and you can literary move mountains.

No hand waving and the stone raises, just a huge number of people that had decades to do it.

a reply to: Xtrozero

So the secret is in the sauce eh?

And just a whole lot of supposition on your part.

You don't know what they had access to because you were not there and the recipes were rather secret or just plain lost to the ages.

Does it really matter in the end, it does unless you wish our approximations of ancient technology to count.

No hand waving and no Roman concrete recipe ether.

Nothing really special other than the fact that you cannot replicate there handiworks same way they did.

Don't understand why people cannot simply admit people did things back then and we don't know the entirety as to how, or sometimes even why.

originally posted by: andy06shake

You don't know what they had access to because you were not there and the recipes were rather secret or just plain lost to the ages.

My point is not so lost....

Does it really matter in the end, it does unless you wish our approximations of ancient technology to count.

Nothing really special other than the fact that you cannot replicate there handiworks same way they did.

Damascus steel is pretty spot on...So I'm not sure what you want. We did it because there was money to be made... What are we to do with glass that we know all the elements in it, but we do not recreate because there is no reason too do it as with Damascus steel there was a reason. Same with Greek fire, we could make it, and make it even better with other chemicals then the three basic ones they used.

Don't understand why people cannot simply admit people did things back then and we don't know the entirety as to how, or sometimes even why.

No I agree with you but there are limits to it. Those limits is they still worked with very basic materials and chemicals etc...very raw stuff and we know what all that is. No real secrets there like Greek fire is mixed with ancient dragon's blood, or Damascus steel is quenched in the body of slaves to in prison their souls to make the steel stronger.

None of it is crazy stuff, all real basic, but could also be very ingenious in the process, so there is no lack of amazement on my part, but I don't see anything super advance.

originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: Harte

Terrified.

Lets see you make it work then?

Catch it on CNN or the discovery channel tomorrow will we?

Say what you want your as confused as the rest of us.

Don't worry Harte, its ok not to know something. x

"See me make it work"
That's gonna be your reply? LOL

Lets see you demonstrate your "forgotten" magic technology.

I gave you the explanation for how it works, where's yours?

Do you seriously doubt the capstans I showed you could do the job? Like I said, it's not hard to calculate.

Harte

a reply to: Harte

Says the man that explains moving a stone that weighs an estimated 1,650 tons and among the largest monoliths ever quarried via a single picture.

I think a demonstration is indeed in order.

What do you do for an encore show us how to build the great pyramid?

Your explanation would fit on a paper napkin and is about as useful as a chocolate spoon.

I seriously doubt a lot of things and moving that weight any distance and in to place via conventional means and Man power alone is one of those things.

a reply to: andy06shake

For context that stone would only take around 27,500 people to move (give or take). So having people do such a thing isn't out of the realm of possibilities.

Don't you ever remember or seen the game where 6-10 girls lift a full grown person up using only their fingers? Just because you can't imagine people doing something doesn't exclude them from being able to do it.

a reply to: Xtrozero

I want there Damascus steel process and method of creation, not our approximation.

I don't think Greek fire is mixed with anything like dragon's blood or souls Xtrozero.

It is basic by our comparison indeed, but that dont mean we will ever be able to replicate there work the way they did.

For a start we don't even think the same way in this day of age.

I don't see anything from the ancient past being super advanced myself, just different.

Would not mind establishing who and where "The Sea People" came from or what they were fleeing all the same?

a reply to: Guyfriday

And back then 27,500 people were a load of people.

That's like two massive armies.

Stuff trying to feed all them for a start.

Baalbek had a population of 82,608, you have around a third performing one task?

I don't know how you got that number, but if you could please show us all how 27,500 people, move and set a 1,650 ton stone into place i will be immensely gratefully.

Just walk me through the entire procedure if you don't mind since i cannot imagine it indeed?

Shows what you can do? x

Here is a thought, the block was never used, because it was too big to transport.

a reply to: andy06shake

1650T * 2000lbs = 3,300,000lbs
Average person can lift 120lbs
3300000/120 = 27500 people needed to lift 1650 tons.

Also it wouldn't have been that hard to get that number of people together back then. Building an Army is different then employing workers, so getting that number of people together to build something for the community wouldn't have been as hard as people seem to think.

a reply to: Guyfriday

And yet there it is, never been moved.

Whys that now?

Building an army is different than employing workers, its immensely easier for a start with a lot less specialised skill sets in play.

Where do these 27500 people needed to lift 1650 the ton monolith stand?