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a reply to: Helious
if anyone on ATS reading this post right now thinks this type of totalitarian dictatorship of information is a step in the right direction for our country, I think you have lost your way or have been blinded by political ideology and hate.
originally posted by: Helious
Greetings ATS,
Listen, I have tried very hard to stay out of things recently and let the events play out as they will without my interjection. Sadly, for all of us, I feel compelled to make this post. Make no mistake, this isn't a post on political ideology but very directly the state of our Republic.
You may or may not like Donald Trump and to be honest, for the point of this thread, it doesn't matter because to be completely honest that isn't what this is about. You see, our country much like a weather vein on the top of an old rustic barn sways from one direction to the next based on the day and while it gives you some good information on what you should expect that day, you never really worry because tomorrow will always be different.
I will not in this thread, preach, educate, speculate nor embellish what many call "wide spread voter fraud". You see, we have come to a pointe in our belief systems where the evidence of this has become what I can only describe as subjective. We don't always see the same thing and where some of us see smoke and fire..... Others only see a failed attempt at rubbing sticks together.
The things I would really like every member of ATS to focus on is not one of any fundamental political ideology we have but one of basic American principles. What has happened in the last week regarding Parler being scrubbed from the internet, over 70 thousand other accounts being banned and no less than all 3 tech giants doing this in lockstep is what we really need to take in and understand.
I may not agree with many of the things my opponents say on ATS but as the saying goes and I will take this to my grave. I will always defend your right to say it. Your viewpoint can be wrong, it can be flawed and what exposes that is open communication with those that oppose what you say. In some instances as has happened with me before on this very website, I become enlightened and realize the error in my logic.
Lets all be honest...... That doesn't always happen but without open communication, it could NEVER happen. I have seen in posts the people among us here that celebrate the deplatforming and silencing of Parler, I have seen those of you that would be happy to even go steps further.......
Maybe some of you have lost your way, hell...... Maybe we all have but at some pointe, we were all here to deny ignorance and if anyone on ATS reading this post right now thinks this type of totalitarian dictatorship of information is a step in the right direction for our country, I think you have lost your way or have been blinded by political ideology and hate.
This was NEVER what America was supposed to be nor can we allow it to happen, left, right or center. It's not legacy of freedom we want to pass down to our children and not something we can be proud of. Put the differences aside for a bit and understand how important an implication like this is because I promise you......... If we allow this, it never ends from here.
originally posted by: AScrubWhoDied
I'm shocked that so many intentionally conflate this as a free speech issue.
Its not.
In America you have the right to say whatever you'd like (bar certain words in some situations).
Nobody is obliged to give you a soapbox for your words.Nobody is obliged to lend you equipment for your words.
This isnt a free speech issue, never will be, it is the equivalent of claiming a publishing house that refuses to publish my novel has violated my right to free speech.
False.
Publish,did i hear publish?So they must be publishers then. so section 230 shouldn't apply to them then.
originally posted by: AScrubWhoDied
I'm shocked that so many intentionally conflate this as a free speech issue.
Its not.
In America you have the right to say whatever you'd like (bar certain words in some situations).
Nobody is obliged to give you a soapbox for your words.Nobody is obliged to lend you equipment for your words.
This isnt a free speech issue, never will be, it is the equivalent of claiming a publishing house that refuses to publish my novel has violated my right to free speech.
False.
originally posted by: JinMI
a reply to: AScrubWhoDied
Not even close.
Let's look at what happened to say Parler agree with them or not.
Their app was removed by Apple and Google then servers cancelled by Amazon.
Picture getting clear yet?
originally posted by: mOjOm
originally posted by: JinMI
a reply to: AScrubWhoDied
Not even close.
Let's look at what happened to say Parler agree with them or not.
Their app was removed by Apple and Google then servers cancelled by Amazon.
Picture getting clear yet?
Same thing will happen there.
Capitalism will take over and they will be hosted from other servers.
This will be competition in the market against Amazon and the rest. Same with platforms like Facebook and Twitter. It just takes time for markets to shift. It's happening already.
This isnt a free speech issue, never will be, it is the equivalent of claiming a publishing house that refuses to publish my novel has violated my right to free speech.
originally posted by: mOjOm
originally posted by: JinMI
a reply to: AScrubWhoDied
Not even close.
Let's look at what happened to say Parler agree with them or not.
Their app was removed by Apple and Google then servers cancelled by Amazon.
Picture getting clear yet?
Same thing will happen there.
Capitalism will take over and they will be hosted from other servers.
This will be competition in the market against Amazon and the rest. Same with platforms like Facebook and Twitter. It just takes time for markets to shift. It's happening already.
originally posted by: mOjOm
a reply to: Helious
It might take a minute but they'll find the hosting somewhere. That's if people decide to even go with parler. Right now there will be a lot of shuffling and confusion but it will will figure itself out. The market for it will force it into being. Not that it's an easy fix, I'm just saying, imo it will happen because it just will.
Plus you get the plus side of taking power from those big 3 also at that point. Fixing another problem.
originally posted by: JinMI
a reply to: AScrubWhoDied
Not even close.
Let's look at what happened to say Parler agree with them or not.
Their app was removed by Apple and Google then servers cancelled by Amazon.
Picture getting clear yet?
originally posted by: AScrubWhoDied
I'm shocked that so many intentionally conflate this as a free speech issue.
Its not.
In America you have the right to say whatever you'd like (bar certain words in some situations).
Nobody is obliged to give you a soapbox for your words.Nobody is obliged to lend you equipment for your words.
This isnt a free speech issue, never will be, it is the equivalent of claiming a publishing house that refuses to publish my novel has violated my right to free speech.
False.
originally posted by: TzarChasm
originally posted by: JinMI
a reply to: AScrubWhoDied
Not even close.
Let's look at what happened to say Parler agree with them or not.
Their app was removed by Apple and Google then servers cancelled by Amazon.
Picture getting clear yet?
If I was waving around a sign outside of Walmart advertising an extremist ideology (doesn't matter who is targeted) and yelling incendiary comments at people as they walk by, then I can fully expect to be escorted from their property and prohibited from returning. It's called property laws and it applies to the internet as well. Frankly it's hilarious that everyone acts like they never realized social media is 100% privilege and that's why T&Cs (that stuff we skip and click agree) exist in the first place. It's a contract and it gives the property owner every right to deny you service if you piss them off. Play nice or take your toys somewhere else.
originally posted by: TzarChasm
originally posted by: JinMI
a reply to: AScrubWhoDied
Not even close.
Let's look at what happened to say Parler agree with them or not.
Their app was removed by Apple and Google then servers cancelled by Amazon.
Picture getting clear yet?
If I was waving around a sign outside of Walmart advertising an extremist ideology (doesn't matter who is targeted) and yelling incendiary comments at people as they walk by, then I can fully expect to be escorted from their property and prohibited from returning. It's called property laws and it applies to the internet as well. Frankly it's hilarious that everyone acts like they never realized social media is 100% privilege and that's why T&Cs (that stuff we skip and click agree) exist in the first place. It's a contract and it gives the property owner every right to deny you service if you piss them off. Play nice or take your toys somewhere else.