USA Socialism and our Future.

What is going to happen in America over the next 10 years ?



Socialism ? Yes it seems this is the path America has chosen , for better or worse we have thrown the dice to gamble on Socialism .

Will it work out ? Well I mean it has not worked any where else , but this is after all America so maybe we can get it right ....

The Guy in this Video is the CEO of Whole Foods , he is a smart cat he Explains Socialism and Liberal thinking in general with a nice short paraphrase . I personaly have always struggled to explain Liberal Socialistic thinking simply because it is hard for me to think in a Socialistic mind set .

To me Humans and Capitalism just makes sense right ? Socialism is wishful thinking that completely goes against the common nature of human beings .

I get it though Socialism expects us to be like Bee's all of us working and contributing to the Queen whom represents the Common good , Unfortunately all it takes is one or two selfish bee's to throw everything out of balance and that is the Human element Socialism only works if we are Desireless Emotionless Robots , but Alas we are Jealous natured desire ridden creatures with Individual goals and aspirations.

And if your thinking no no America will never go Full Socialist ... Actually we are already half way there all we need is a little push and This Virus has exposed just how weak we truly are and with the incoming Administration all they have to do is allow things to continue getting worse and we will come begging for there Socialist Utopia .


I've said this in other post , I hope that all of the people who Voted for Biden/Harris are correct I hope you know something that I don't I Hope to God that Biden Creates the Best America we have ever seen I truly do , I'm not being Condescending or Passive Aggressive I'm being so serious I have absolutely no problem with Being wrong about my predictions . I care about this Country , I care about my Family , Friends and our Future and If These Democrats Truly know what is best for this Country and Half of this Country seems to think they do then by God let the good times fly.

As always think you for your time.

a reply to: asabuvsobelow

I agree that socialism in modern times has not worked. This might be because socialism is a economic system where the workers themselves own their own means of production and share equally in the fruits of that production.

The holler we here about socialism in the US today is not socailism. It's capitalism more in the line of neo-liberalism that seeks to create new markets and consumer choices for the capitalists to exploit.

So I see it as not a choice between socialism and capitalism but rather what form of capitalism will prevail.

a reply to: asabuvsobelow

Those who support socialism in the US incorrectly blame "capitalism" for society's problems when it is actually central banks and corporatism/fascism to blame for the wealth disparity & resulting bigger injustices we witness on a daily basis.

More than 50% of US GDP is a result of government spending - that is NOT a "capitalist" nation. The proponents of socialism believe socialist policies will address inequality, but it will only allow those at the top to consolidate more power, control and wealth while further oppressing everyone else (including the millennials who think AOC, Ilhan Omar, Sanders, etc. are their heroes)

Socialism is already here but its American supporters want MORE MORE MORE and think government is the answer to their problems (nice job studying history, LOL)

Corporatism (which is merely capitalism winning) runs the USA and runs both parties. We couldn't be further from the highly exaggerated doomy painting of 'socialism'. But the little bits of socialism that we do get will be what keeps capitalism alive, ironically.

a reply to: FamCore

Great post, FamCore

(Btw, hi! Hope you're doing well!)

I think the distinction you pointed out between capitalism and our current system is key, and not one many people make.

a reply to: asabuvsobelow

Do not mistake woke politics with socialism.

There is very, very little promoted by The Democratic Party that even remotely resembles Socialist ideology.

If you think there is I'd sure like you to provide real examples here, I'd love to have a look.

'Half way' to 'Full Socialist'?
How do you work that out?
Again, specific examples would be great.

It seems to me, although I could be wrong that the USA is primed for an odd version of fascism. The humor is that most Americans have no idea that is what they are doing.


Apparently most of us Americans think we are smarter than Weimar Germany. Guess what? We aren't.

I’m not opposed to the idea of socialism. I’m just strongly opposed to the idea of our government being in control of that socialism.

I simply do not trust them, not a single one of them, to do it without screwing everyone over.

I grew up dirt poor, lived in cars and tents, went to the food bank, low income housing, food stamps...the whole works. I got to see first hand how the system is manipulated by not only my mother, but the string of social workers who would coach her to give the right answers to get more benefits than she really qualified for. Or which doctor to go to in order to have her knee “issue” turned into a disability case....or if that didn’t work, which doctor would deem her bi-polar and unable to work for a living.

Personally, I’d rather have a situation where we didn’t need socialism or welfare and I put my money where my mouth is with this one because my wife and I have been doing food and clothing drives for the homeless for years now. Most of the time all it costs us is our time, but on Thanksgiving we’ll take a couple hundred bucks, buy as much travel size toiletries, sandwich stuff, snacks and bottled water, spend 2 days packing it into brown paper bags and then hand them out.

If everyone actually gave a damn as much as they claim to, we wouldn’t even have to question the chances of full-on socialism making it’s way into our country.

But really, I think it’s rather daft to oppose socialism for the people while simultaneously voting for dumbasses who hand out our money to big businesses at the drop of a hat.

a reply to: Fools

BTW, this isn't a Trmp thing with me, its a Bush/Clinton thing. Personally I don't really get it all, but it seems to be a revolving royalty thing. Those with the certain bloods cant see what anyone else can, they are blinded by power.

a reply to: Fools

Great point Fools. There was a book out in the 1950s by a guy who went to Germany, lived with and interviewed people who had lived and worked under German Fascism. He titled his book after the simple explanation of how they were duped into following Hitler to destruction. That title was '' They Thought They Were Free"

originally posted by: FamCore
a reply to: asabuvsobelow

Those who support socialism in the US incorrectly blame "capitalism" for society's problems when it is actually central banks and corporatism/fascism to blame for the wealth disparity & resulting bigger injustices we witness on a daily basis.

Which is, by definition, unregulated/deregulated capitalism (i.e. corporatism). That cannot be magically spun differently, and is exactly the aim of capitalism. Capitalism will do everything it can to work/control the system in it's favor. The true threat of globalism in no way comes from governments, it comes from the private sector (although they also have power over government, but let's all be cognizant of the true hierarchy here).

So, since you also see this as a big problem, you then agree with leftists that we should restrain runaway capitalism as it in no way works for the people?

a reply to: Fools

I'm on board with you here as well. This royalty bit is bad for us. I"m really happy that the Dems didn't try to put Mrs. Obama up for a run. Really glad.

originally posted by: Freeborn
a reply to: asabuvsobelow

Do not mistake woke politics with socialism.

There is very, very little promoted by The Democratic Party that even remotely resembles Socialist ideology.

If you think there is I'd sure like you to provide real examples here, I'd love to have a look.

'Half way' to 'Full Socialist'?
How do you work that out?
Again, specific examples would be great.

I don't think the left is socialist. I think they suffer from wishful thinking more than anything... that they can just fix something with the waive of a wand or by decree.

a reply to: asabuvsobelow

It's more Soft Despotism than socialism.

Soft despotism is a term coined by Alexis de Tocqueville describing the state into which a country overrun by "a network of small complicated rules" might degrade. Soft despotism is different from despotism (also called 'hard despotism') in the sense that it is not obvious to the people.

Soft despotism gives people the illusion that they are in control, when in fact they have very little influence over their government. Soft despotism breeds fear, uncertainty, and doubt in the general populace. Alexis de Tocqueville observed that this trend was avoided in America only by the "habits of the heart" of its 19th-century populace.

en.wikipedia.org...#:~:text=Soft%20despotism%20is%20a%20term,not%20obvious%20to%20the%20people.

After having thus taken each individual one by one into its powerful hands, and having molded him as it pleases, the sovereign power extends its arms over the entire society; it covers the surface of society with a network of small, complicated, minute, and uniform rules, which the most original minds and the most vigorous souls cannot break through to go beyond the crowd; it does not break wills, but it softens them, bends them and directs them; it rarely forces action, but it constantly opposes your acting; it does not destroy, it prevents birth; it does not tyrannize, it hinders, it represses, it enervates, it extinguishes, it stupifies, and finally it reduces each nation to being nothing more than a flock of timid and industrious animals, of which the government is the shepherd.

I have always believed that this sort of servitude, regulated, mild and peaceful, of which I have just done the portrait, could be combined better than we imagine with some of the external forms of liberty, and that it would not be impossible for it to be established in the very shadow of the sovereignty of the people.

oll.libertyfund.org...

a reply to: asabuvsobelow

Just popping in to say that the idea of a Socialist boogeyman that you guys have absorbed as truth is a tired old tactic that has been used for almost a century into scaring voters into voting for right wing policies.

originally posted by: underwerks
a reply to: asabuvsobelow

Just popping in to say that the idea of a Socialist boogeyman that you guys have absorbed as truth is a tired old tactic that has been used for almost a century into scaring voters into voting for right wing policies.

The irony is everyone of those things is screwed up...

a reply to: Edumakated

There is no perfect system anywhere on Earth. The only thing we can shoot for is the one that helps the majority of people the most.

And still, that isn’t even real socialism.

a reply to: underwerks

Yes, it is a balance.

There will never be unfettered capitalism or laissez-faire markets. Even though I am a greedy capitalist pig, we know that you still need some regulation. The problem with capitalism is crony capitalism. I don't know the solution as man is corruptible. It is no different from socialism / communism where elites get to live by a different set of rules.

Free markets generally seem to work the best imho.

originally posted by: Freeborn
a reply to: asabuvsobelow

Do not mistake woke politics with socialism.

There is very, very little promoted by The Democratic Party that even remotely resembles Socialist ideology.

If you think there is I'd sure like you to provide real examples here, I'd love to have a look.

'Half way' to 'Full Socialist'?
How do you work that out?
Again, specific examples would be great.

Social Security
Medicare / Medicaid
welfare
Food Stamps

The 2008 Government Bail out for the Banks , they should have just allowed them to crash and let nature take it's course Government Stepping in with Trillions of Dollars to Bail the Biggest banks in America out Started us on the Fast Track to Socialism.

These Massive Government Stimulus Bills During this Pandemic all of it Government Assistance .

The Governments of these states Locking them down Creating Artificial needless economic crashes , mate they are setting the board for Socialism not sure how you cant see that.

a reply to: FamCore

The US isn't onto a path of socialism, it's on the path to capitalism in crisis. Deny it all you want, but monopolies are the byproduct of unchecked and unbalanced capitalism. Corporate elites want fascism for the whole world not just the US.

There's hardly any place left where workers control some sort of means of production anymore, hell, the votes don't even matter anymore. The neo - liberal agenda was partly created to stamp out socialist states, force a broken democratic system, topple the small market systems where capitalism can thrive for the community, it's coming to America now because it was slowly turning into a socialist type state.