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NEWS: Report: Russia and China to practice 'Invasion of Taiwan'.

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posted on Mar, 17 2005 @ 08:55 PM
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While the Peoples Daily has stated China and Russia will hold joint military exercises in 2004. In the past the Taipei Times responded that it was pure propaganda and that it would only be a series of discussions on how to improve cooperation on terrorism. The situation has become more co mplex as China has called for their joint exercises to focus on the Taiwan Crisis. Originally planned to take place in the Xinjiang-Uigur autonomous region of Northwestern China, it is now been planned to be conducted off the Yellow Sea coast in China's ZheJiang province across from Taiwan.
 



www.drudgereport.com
China Daily
China and Russia will jointly hold a first-ever military exercise next year, visiting Russian Defence Minister Sergei Ivanov said Monday.

FLASHBACK: Taipei Times 7-11-02
The military yesterday denied media reports that China and Russia are to launch a joint military exercise in Central Asia in August, saying the two countries are just going to hold talks on enhancing anti-terror cooperation in the region.

Drudge 3-17-05
MOSCOW, March 17. (RIA Novosti)-Yesterday, Chief of the Russian General Staff Yury Baluyevsky left for China to settle a scandal over the first Russian-Chinese military exercise, Commonwealth-2005, which is due to be held this fall off the Yellow Sea coast, writes Kommersant.



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It is a sticky situation for the Russians. They cannot allow the Chinese to lose face so they will have to conduct the exercises where the Chinese say. Of course the Russians would like the Chinese to focus on XingJiang as it is in the Central Asian region and a incubator of terrorist ideology and phsyical training.

China has sneakily shifted to the ZheJiang province and will most likely succeed in ensnaring Russia to show it's military support against the Island's move for independance. The army will not sit idle and watch has become the tone of the PRC lately.

No doubt Japan should feel nervous and we should expect strong Rhetoric from the US if Putin follows through with his already made committment to the Peoples Republic of China.

Related News Links:
english.people.com.cn
www.taipeitimes.com
www.drudgereport.com




posted on Mar, 17 2005 @ 08:58 PM
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invading taiwan by china and russia would start another wold war...

this is not good...





posted on Mar, 18 2005 @ 01:16 AM
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I wonder why so few people have voted for this story. Anyways, here are some other stories that corroborate this one, and btw...I am not the member who started this thread, neither do i know who did...


Quietly, with almost no notice taken in the U.S. media, Russia and China have just stepped up their military cooperation to a level not seen in half a century since the end of the Korean War.
The two countries have quietly agreed to hold their most ambitious joint military exercises in modern times this fall. Interfax news agency reported late last month that the exercises would involve what it described as "Russian strategic aviation", a description that appeared to be a reference to the use of Russia's super-huge Antonov military transport planes, to rapidly deploy forces on Chinese territory.


Excerpted from.
www.spacedaily.com...


CHINA TRYING TO USE RUSSIAN ARMY FOR ITS OWN PURPOSES
RIA Novosti

MOSCOW, March 17. (RIA Novosti)-Yesterday, Chief of the Russian General Staff Yury Baluyevsky left for China to settle a scandal over the first Russian-Chinese military exercise, Commonwealth-2005, which is due to be held this fall off the Yellow Sea coast, writes Kommersant.

The initial plans were to practice operational teamwork in combating terrorism during the exercise. However, Beijing, skillfully changing the format of the exercise, has tried to re-orient the two countries' armies to practicing an invasion of Taiwan.

The choice of where the exercise will take place became a stumbling block. The Russian military selected the Xinjiang-Uigur autonomous region, basing their choice on the area's problematic nature due to Uigur separatists and its proximity to Central Asia, which has become an arena in the fight against international terrorism. However, Beijing flatly rejected the proposal. Instead, it suggested the Zhejiang province near Taiwan.

A joint exercise in this area would look too provocative and trigger a strong reaction not only from Taiwan but also America and Japan, which recently included the island in the zone of their common strategic interests.


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www.globalsecurity.org...

Humm, communism is dead right? I mean, that's why two of the major communist countries, i mean former communist countries... are holding such exercises together.....

I do remember about almost a year ago or so some members were saying that Russia and China would never do something like this.....


[edit on 18-3-2005 by Muaddib]



posted on Mar, 18 2005 @ 02:08 AM
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I live in China and thought this to be a very important development in the situation between Taiwan and China.

I think Taiwan is a part of China just as the South is a part of the United States of America.

If you lose a civil war, you get what is yours.

It's just that the USA supported ChangKaiShek. His wife recently died last year in New York.

The relationship between the former USSR and the CCCP is a very complex one. They were bitter rivals before. USSR is the big brother to China and she eagerly wanted to get them off her back. Now as China has grown older and the USSR has 'supposedly' problems and a breakup of her states the development of their relatinship as equals has grown tremendously.

I think Putin still wants to distance himself very much from Hu Jing Tao as he is trying to become more of a european player than an asian one. Odd how most of his country lies in Asia.



[edit on 18-3-2005 by 00PS]



posted on Mar, 18 2005 @ 02:15 AM
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Putin is ex-KGB...

I have an a sneaking suspicion he's sitting at home thinking "How great it would be to go communist again..."


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I think that Russia would support China in a war against Taiwan, possibly extremely covert in nature in the beginning, but once the rest of the world sees how HUGE this war (if it happens) will become, everyone will get involved...



posted on Mar, 18 2005 @ 02:18 AM
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I thought the communists in Russia hate Putin, because the communist's can't win the election.

And Mauddib, Russia is not communist, Putin is not a communist, the communist party of Russia do not like Putin at all.




posted on Mar, 18 2005 @ 02:24 AM
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Communism is supposed to be the stepping stone to socialism... Its a pity no-one has ever been able to make the gap... Due largely to the international intervention for some reason... Anyways off topic...



posted on Mar, 18 2005 @ 03:28 AM
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Yeah, ghostsoldier i think your right.

In the end, the two global ideologies are Capitalism and Socialism, not Communism.

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Back on topic.

I guess what's feeding speculation on this story is the fact that the wargames were rescheduled or delayed by China recently.

But i would suggest that we wait for the whole thing to come out, as the whole thing right now is speculation. However, it would make sense for China to do this considering the hardware it has purchased from Russia were always aimed at it's eastern seaboard.

ie. Flankers, Souvremannys, Kilos... etc



posted on Mar, 18 2005 @ 06:07 AM
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I like how this story is classed as news whilst my news story on the appointment of a new Undersecretary of Public Diplomacy was classed as a political conspiracy


Back on topic, a Sino-Russian military pact would scare the crud out of the neo-cons in Washington
I quite fancy learning Russian


[edit on 18/3/05 by subz]



posted on Mar, 18 2005 @ 06:41 AM
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Originally posted by ghostsoldier
Communism is supposed to be the stepping stone to socialism... Its a pity no-one has ever been able to make the gap... Due largely to the international intervention for some reason... Anyways off topic...


Actually it is the other way around, according to Marx socialism is the stepping stone towards communism, but as you said, back on topic.



posted on Mar, 18 2005 @ 06:48 AM
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Zhong Guo Guo Qing Se Hui Zu Yi

Socialism with Chinese Charachteristics.
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Socialism is the Beginning to Communism.

Hence we have Chinese Socialism on the

Road to Chinese Communism. This is from

My Wife, a Born and Raised Oppressed Red

China-Commie-woman... (That's for all you die-hard patriots

that don't have a clue about any other country

but your own which you know little about too.)



posted on Mar, 18 2005 @ 06:52 AM
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Originally posted by rapier28
I thought the communists in Russia hate Putin, because the communist's can't win the election.

And Mauddib, Russia is not communist, Putin is not a communist, the communist party of Russia do not like Putin at all.



Putin is going back to the old days before perestroika....anyways, some of you already know that i believe it was a sham, that the collapse of the former soviet union was actually staged....... Anyways, of what we can be certain is that Putin more and more is getting tougher on democracy, shuting down tv shows that speak badly of the government in Russia, going after rich entepreneurs and merging former private firms with the government firms, etc, etc. I do believe that Russia is going back to the old days, as it was supposed to do. And i am not the only one who thinks Putin is bringing Russia closer and closer towards what it used to be.



Gorbachev warns Putin of possible unrest
(Agencies)
Updated: 2005-03-10 08:32

Former Soviet leader Mikhail Gorbachev, marking the 20th anniversary of his rise to power, warned Wednesday that Vladimir Putin could face serious unrest if he pursues painful economic policies and urged the Russian president to fire Cabinet members over unpopular benefit reforms.

Gorbachev also said Putin should beware of people in his entourage who believe the government can suppress public anger by cracking down on democracy and basic freedoms.

Speaking at a presentation of an opinion poll on attitudes to the sweeping reforms he launched after taking helm as the Soviet leader 20 years ago this week, Gorbachev said the point of his program of perestroika, or restructuring, was "more democracy, more socialism."

"And now I sense an odor that says that soon in our government ... there will appear slogans such as less democracy, fewer social programs," he said.


Excerpted from.
www.chinadaily.com.cn...







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posted on Mar, 18 2005 @ 06:57 AM
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I was born and lived in a communist country too OOPS, and I still have family there suffering because of the communist regime. Communism is evil, plain and simple, unless you are also a communist and part of the system, then things are better for you.



posted on Mar, 18 2005 @ 06:59 AM
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I've always thought so to. It's almost like a trojan horse. let the broken soviet states get swallowed up by western european and american ideals so that later when power is reconsolidated it will be a very very bad situation for many.



posted on Mar, 18 2005 @ 07:02 AM
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Muaddib I was joking

If your family is suffering I'm sorry.

My wife and I have talked over and over if she

believes that she was oppressed because of

Communism. While the story may be different

for her aunts and uncles, father and mother,

it is not the case for today's generation.


I'd rather be American than Chinese any day though.

Americans are more Free, have a more beautiful

country and have a more Evil Government to fight

against and we can shout about it...like it really matters though.



posted on Mar, 18 2005 @ 07:12 AM
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We have a more evil government?.... is that why the chinese government kills most of the immates they have in prisons for doing drugs, selling drugs, for evading taxes, for being too pro-democratic, and even so that the govenrment can sell organs to rich people?....among other things that the chinese government is known of doing... unless you meant it as a jest...

[edit on 18-3-2005 by Muaddib]



posted on Mar, 18 2005 @ 07:23 AM
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www.abovetopsecret.com...'

I posted this yesterday. There are talks with lifting sanctions against China on ban of arms sale, the energy deals between the 2 countries, oil deals, they have become the Most ultimate co-dependants in the world. If China moves, Russia kind of has to step up.

I mean, what if this exercise suddenly was not? What would the US reaction be? Sub strikes? Air War? I mean, you are talking sever civilian casualty probobility on that island, right?

What if they wait till we go into Iran? Both countires have interests in Iran, and Syria. Amazing, so why are they not included in the Axis of evil? sorry for the rant



posted on Mar, 18 2005 @ 07:25 AM
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Arr....Mauddib, am i right in guessing that your Cuban?

I guess communism as an ideology hasn't really worked, but that doesn't mean to say that Karl Marx intended the ideology to oppress people. Socialism on the other hand can work with a capitalist market system.

I see both ideologies coming together eventually to find some common ground. A capitalist market with social welfare.



posted on Mar, 18 2005 @ 07:28 AM
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Originally posted by Muaddib
We have a more evil government?.... is that why the chinese government kills most of the immates they have in prisons for doing drugs, selling drugs, for evading taxes, for being too pro-democratic, and even so that the govenrment can sell organs to rich people?....among other things that the chinese government is known of doing... unless you meant it as a jest...

[edit on 18-3-2005 by Muaddib]


China Oppresses China

USA Oppresses the World...

Do the reasearch and let facts and numbers speak for themselves



posted on Mar, 18 2005 @ 07:30 AM
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Originally posted by Muaddib
We have a more evil government?.... is that why the chinese government kills most of the immates they have in prisons for doing drugs, selling drugs, for evading taxes, for being too pro-democratic, and even so that the govenrment can sell organs to rich people?....among other things that the chinese government is known of doing... unless you meant it as a jest...

[edit on 18-3-2005 by Muaddib]


Muaddib, i have always felt that your posts on China are too emotional to grasp the whole picture. While i would not presume to understand why you feel strongly about China or Communism, you should at least keep a open mind to things.

Perhaps for each of the things that you say the Chinese government is doing, you should do some research and back those statements up with fact. You might surprise yourself.



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