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Bill Clinton was a great president.

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posted on Jul, 15 2003 @ 09:58 PM

On Capital Punishment:

"Please, don't kill me."

George W. Bush shows what a "compassionate" conservative he is during an interview with Talk magazine with this sarcastic phrase, mocking the fate of executed death-row inmate Karla Faye Tucker. Under Bush, Texas has executed someone an average of
every two weeks.

Wait this is disgusting.

I took this from the site that Energy gave...and obviously believes about we review what the said Convict Karla Faye Tucker did...

"Karla Faye Tucker,

found guilty of murdering a couple with a pick ax in 1983, was executed by lethal injection at a Huntsville, Texas, prison on Feb. 3."

Good lord oh my...May she by all means be set free to frolic upon the innocent masses!

posted on Jul, 15 2003 @ 10:06 PM

Originally posted by FreeMason
I find it odd you poke fun at the Current President when the last President ruined our Nation.

But then as usual representatives of the Liberal side, when it comes to facing facts and reality, RUN THE OTHER WAY!

Woah, woah, WOAH!!

Don't give Bill that kind of credit. He didn't single-handedly damage the nation. He had help. He was elected through the ignorance of many Americans. True, it wasn't a majority, but that doesn't matter, enough people are ignorant as to how the country should be, are more concerned about what the government can do for them to worry about what it will eventually do to them and base their choices on emotion instead of fact. You can't blame Bill for being Bill, you have to blame the people who put Bill where he was.

posted on Jul, 15 2003 @ 10:20 PM
I can't blame the people, because Bill was such a good liar...or rather spinner.

He could be a magician, he'd have you checkin out the hot ladies while he was doing all his "magick tricks" when you weren't looking.

And when worse came to worse, he had his lady right there in the very own court room....yeah right like Clinton really gave a crap he was up for charges of "Blow Jobs" hah...the stuff he knew he COULD be cought for was way worse.

posted on Jul, 16 2003 @ 10:10 AM
I have an odd feeling if we could get beyond politics we could find something we both agree on & perhaps have in common. You ask why I don't debate your claims against Clinton? Its easy, because I can't win. No matter what proof I present, you instantly debunk it + thats all you have are CLAIMS.You say Clinton committed these crimes,yet he was cleared because of no evidence.Heresay & gossip.Lets talk about troopergate.Probably the most publicized Clinton lie w/admissions from 2 of the troopers & the Author of the article.

Can you disprove any of these claims Freemason?

The reason I ask is because these are on the White House's seb site & the National Archives.Thats about as good a source as you'll get.These SAME sites say rather positive things about Reagan as well as Bush sr. Your foolish pride refuses to listen to reason.You refuse to even CONSIDER the FACT thats are 2 sides to every story.

posted on Jul, 16 2003 @ 10:31 AM
Reference to Bush is in there somewhere...

Hello Folks,

Many of you are learning about the methods and the chemistry behind making
chemtrails, and you also learning about the G-protein health effect that drives
the cover up. Your also learning about a US Govt. that is dominated by
industry to usurped the power of the people, in an all out process of corporate
tyranny. Lets do a quick recap and summary.

The basics of chemtrails is easy to understand. This was driven by the
corrosion problems on airplanes from acids in the air from fossil fuels and the
fact that jet planes were early on connected to global warming problems. The
solution was to put chemicals into the jet fuels to compensate for these effects.
The invention of JP-8 brought on these new methods by hiding these chemicals
in the deicing agents for the fuel. The deicing agents were metalized
alcohols, which helped keep the fuel from jelling and water in the fuel from icing.
The DOD's high flying strato-tankers use JP-8 with a much higher portion of
the deicing additive and make denser, larger, and higher chemtrails.

The best example for the metalized alcohol's is the one with aluminum.
Aluminum in the jet fuel seeds aluminum oxide into air which is loaded with
sulfuric acid from coal burning. The aluminum oxide reacts with the acid and make
aluminum sulfate, which is hygroscopic and it picks up more water and acids to
the point of causing Mie scattering. Mie scattering is a wavelength
independent and directional reflection effect that lowers global warming, just as normal
cloud do. Aluminum sulfate is called alum and is the very same chemical used
in water plant purification, except use in the air in this case.

The real key to chemtrails is understanding the G-protein effects on cells
from the fluoride-metal complexes. The US Govt. has been hiding major health
problems due to this effect and the ways vaccines were made. Many vaccines are
made with live viral agents that are killed with a compound called thimerisol.
Thimerisol is a mercury compound that is used with killed vaccines that is
injected into humans. When these killed vaccine methods were used in Africa,
there was an extreme problem with fluoride pollution. This set up the
G-protein fluoride-mercury complex that killed immune cells, particularly T-cells.
The fluoride-mercury damage literally caused the T-cell mitochondria to shut
down and explode, killing the T-cells.

When HIV jumped from monkeys to man, it spread thru Africa like a wild fire.
The human immune system had been killed by the vaccine mercury and the
endemic fluoride in the area. This effect has been hidden by companies like Eli
Lilly and their corporate leadership, which included G. Bush (41). This
continues today and is the root of why chemtrail methods using titanium are hidden
from the public. The US industries are going to extra ordinary lengths to
conceal this from the American public and this is why all the news is controlled by
large corporations.

The titanium chemtrail method is easy to understand once one knows the
fluoride-metal complex compounds bind to cell G-protein sites irreversibly. The
only way to prevent this is to put a metal into the body to compete for the
fluoride that won't form one of the destructive fluoride-metal complexes, such as
fluoride-mercury. This is the basics of how titanium is used to control the
rates of HIV infection in the US. HIV leveled off in the US in the mid-90's,
while in Africa it affects 90 percent of the population. 9/10 of Africa will
die from the HIV infection.

The very same pharmaceutical companies that set up the conditions that killed
the African peoples immune systems are now the same ones that hope to sell
these populations anti-viral drugs. Now Bush (43) comes along and put the top
person from Eli Lilly in charge of the US HIV programs. He is helping daddy
along with his massive cover up and his huge profits from dealing death to
Africa. This is racketeering and tyranny on a scale never before seen, crimes
against humanity is the name of this deceit process. The US Govt. looks upon
allowing this to happen and profit from it as population control, lowering the
planet's population.

The US manages the issues of the G-protein driven mad cow effect with the
titanium spraying from the air. This is why the US does not have these effects,
while the beef industry in the UK has been virtually destroyed. The UK had
visions of Hell from all the burning of contaminated cattle. The problem in the
UK was the use of bone meal re-fed to cows. Bone meal is loaded with
fluoride and metals. The UK banned bones in meat to compensate. Using bone meal to
feed cows, to feed humans, or to fertilize plants for human consumption is a
serious problem and needs to be avoided.

The problem even extends into the use of brain tissues, as the illness called
Kuru from New Guinea is connected to eating brain tissues. Brain tissue is
much like bone as the brain absorbs metals and fluorides over time. Human
semen has the same effect, and can raise the retention of metals and fluorides.
This is a problem for gay men, together with coc aine use, for HIV infectivity.
This is why HIV hit the US in gay populations so strongly.

I happened to find these problems linked to fluoride by working for the
fluoride chemical processing capital of the world in Oak Ridge. I was looking at
the issues of fluoride and beryllium and found the G-protein effect. Then
noticed this fluoride-metal complex immediately explained the problems of fluoride
and mercury with CFS. Then, I notice the killed vaccine processes using
thimerisol and the problems with fluoride-mercury killing T-cells came into view.

Oak Ridge, Tn. is a highly damaged area from the effects of fluorides. The
plant workers are the image for Appalachia, slow and dumbed down. The Oak
Ridge area is also the epicenter for the largest coal power generation in the
world to supply the power hungry uranium plants. These emissions dump hydrogen
fluoride and mercury into the air and dumb down the entire region of Appalachia.
This is why this area has been so impacted for so long. The US Govt likes
this effect on the population, as it keeps them from finding this catastrophic
health effect.

These are the health processes, chemistry, and physics that drive chemtrail
techniques and make it happen. There is one more effect connected to the
political corruption in the US that makes this happen and worse. Bush (41) was
tied to the CIA type dealing that set up the Cuban Missile crisis, then later
with the assassination of JFK in Dallas over a resurgence of the Cuban plan. The
CIA had long been using Mafia connections in other countries to kill off the
persons the CIA and US did not like. This method was extended to the US.
With the help of LBJ, it could all be covered up.

Was the CIA involved in all this? Not directly, just their methods were used
by renegade persons like G. Bush (41) and Oak Ridge national security
interests. Oak Ridge's DOE plants were involved as they originated and designed the
plan to assassinate JFK. Oak Ridge later designed the plan to take over the
US to hide the G-protein fluoride-metal complex problems. Again the same
players involved as with the JFK assassination. The Bush Mil / Ind Network. They
have used and abused the issues of national security and classification to
pull off massive tyranny against the American people and the world.

These same type tactics are in play today for the cover up of these chemtrail
connected liabilities. The entire 911 situation was cultivated and provoked
to help these US thugs to cover up the vaccine issues. 911 was used as the
platform to protect the drug companies that caused the HIV pandemic. 911 was
driven by Islam and Moslem factions that don't like the corrupted US corporate
methods that cover up planes being used to pharmacy medicate the world and
cover up the US corporations liabilities in the HIV crisis. They attacked the
symbols of these processes using planes and the WTC. They attacked the US

This Govt. corruption has become a totally out of control mess in need to
much fixing. One way to begin to fix all this is to return the power to the
people of the US and take control back from the tyrant corporations, their
Congressional supporters, and Bush. The way to do this is to tell all the citizens
what has been happening on public lists and other methods that can bypass the
corporation dominance of the news media. This is where the role of the
chemtrail activists and others comes into play to help wake up the dumbed down
America public, and to educate the citizens of the world.

I hope that many of you take this knowledge and use it wisely with this call
to help. It is time for the US Govt. to return to that of by and for the
people, not one based in tyranny by corporation greed. The use of chemtrails and
their exposure points to the very corruption in the seats of power in the US.
The citizens of the US need to clean up these corruption processes, or it
will cause more wars.

These are the real truths about what enabled the invention and use of
chemtrails to pharmacologically treat the globe.

More persons can be helped, if these processes are known equally by all the
peoples of the world. This is the intention of the Magnum-Opus Project. It is
a project for the greater good of the world. It is about correcting the
wrongs of the Manhattan Project, and its follow-on air pharmacology and weather
control projects.

Jim Phelps

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posted on Jul, 16 2003 @ 10:39 AM
Yeah Clinton was a far better President than Bush is.

Bush is a liar,warmonger and a monkey.

posted on Jul, 16 2003 @ 12:06 PM
Well, I don't know who was (is) the better president, Bush or Clinton.

I (like many Americans) lean to the conservative side when it comes to things like foreign policy, the economy, taxes, and social welfare. However, I also lean to the liberal side when it comes to drugs, criminal justice, human rights, and the government/religion intermix.

I have voted conservative in the past (Reagan, G.H.W. Bush, and for 2 Rebublican governors in my state). I have also voted Democrat in the past (Clinton, Gore, and all of my state legislators in the House and Senate).

I believe in being fiscally conservative and socially liberal.

In my opinion, both men have their good points and bad points. I DO feel that President Clinton is unnecessarily demonized by the conservatives, both past and present. Much of this was due to the fact that he was not a beltway insider, nor a long-standing governor whose support could be counted on for many years. He was a new face with little political history who barged his way into what many consider the top beltway prize. He then proceeded to bring in his own staff at the expense of long-standing political hires (hacks) and decided to run things his way, and not the way of the senior membership of his party. This causes leading democrats to support him only half-heartedly and GOP to despise him, because he represented everything they despised.

Now, Clinton was a good administrator and an excellent foreign policy man. He was only a so-so spy (mostly because the conservative Intel agencies didn't trust or like him) and he was a below average Command-in-Chief (he was, after all, a natural pasifist). Personally, he was a complete f**k-up, who couldn't keep his johnson in his trousers. But we elect men to be presidents and administrators, not moral compasses (thank God). I liked Clinton personally, despite his obvious moral shortcomings, as did the rest of the world.

George W. is a strange phenomenae. How the HELL did this nobody get into office? No substantial political history (don't talk about Governor of Texas - I could give you the names of 500 1-term govenors you never heard of). No substantial military history. No substantial personality. No nuthin'.....and yet here he is.

The more I see of George W. the more I believe he is a scarecrow for the Republican party. The GOP knew that if John McCain got the nomination he would have SLAUGHTERED Al Gore (sorry, Al). McCain has the respect of the American people as a whole, and the military LOVES him. But most critically, he has repeatedly shown an ability and willingness to work in a BIPARTISAN way, openly inviting Dems to join him in his efforts for this and that. Of course, the GOP would never stand for that, and openly defied McCain be propping up young George W. George W. is a GOOD man, who comes from a very honorable family with a history of dedication to this nation. I do not question his moral or ethics or his intelligence. But I do feel that he does not deserve to be there and he is being manipulated by:

1) Dick Cheney
2) His father, G.H.W. Bush
3) conservative christian groups
4) leaders of the military/industrial complex (who work via Cheney)

I supported our Iraq operation 100% and was one of the first to shout down the anti-war protesters. After all, I'm ex-military who works at a DoD contractor.

However, information that has recently come to light about or foreign policy intentions, a sagging economy, and a lack of clear and present presidential causing me to........have serious doubts.

posted on Jul, 16 2003 @ 05:08 PM

Originally posted by energy_wave
Everywhere I go these days, people ask me one question: Can Bush be beat?

I believe the answer is yes.

I doubt the economy will rebound fast enough (if it does at all) to nudge the unemployment figures much below 6 percent.

I doubt wages will rise in real terms, especially with the slashing of state budgets around the country.

And I doubt the occupation of Iraq will get any rosier any time soon. U.S. soldiers are sitting ducks there, and as Iraqi nationalists and Islamic fundamentalists keep taking potshots at them, the patience of the American people will gradually run thin, especially as Bush's pretexts grow more embarrassing by the minute.

Bush dragged the nation into Iraq on a leash of lies, and the American people now have a chronically sore neck.

An interesting poll appeared last month in the Chicago Tribune. While the poll found that 57 percent of Illinois voters approved of the job Bush was doing, only 42 percent were prepared to vote for him again. An equal number did not want to see him reelected.

So all those astronomically high approval ratings we've been seeing for twenty months now don't automatically translate into four more years of plutocracy.

I don't counsel despair. I never counsel despair.

And as I travel around the country, I sense an anger and an intensity from people on the progressive side that I've not encountered, even in the depths of the Reagan days. Karl Rove, you've got your work cut out for you.

-- Matthew Rothschild

can bush be beat? duh. im a republican and i know that he will be beat. were gonna have a communist in office for at least the next 8 years. lets run up the hammer and sickle and downsize the military

posted on Jul, 16 2003 @ 05:13 PM
Liberal Democrat='s Communist, Republican Conservative ='s good honest leader. GIMMIE A BREAK!I would have voted for McCaine in a heartbeat if he won the nomination! I also like Pat Buchannan & would possibly consider voting for him. How about, oh I don't know, for the RIGHT MAN DESPITE HIS PARTY? Ever occor to you? We've had great Presidents who have been both Republican & Democrats! I still say Wesley Clark is looking IMO.

[Edited on 17-7-2003 by romantico]

posted on Jul, 18 2003 @ 12:28 PM

Originally posted by romantico
Liberal Democrat='s Communist, Republican Conservative ='s good honest leader. GIMMIE A BREAK!I would have voted for McCaine in a heartbeat if he won the nomination! I also like Pat Buchannan & would possibly consider voting for him. How about, oh I don't know, for the RIGHT MAN DESPITE HIS PARTY? Ever occor to you? We've had great Presidents who have been both Republican & Democrats! I still say Wesley Clark is looking IMO.

[Edited on 17-7-2003 by romantico]

i would of voted for mccain too but still. i dont like al gore. one thing he's a cyborg and the other is a communist. but and leiberman! give me a break! he almost as bad as gore, and have you listened to him speak! SNORE! plus the dems didnt have any good people to vote for.

[Edited on 18-7-2003 by KrazyIvan]

posted on Jul, 18 2003 @ 02:24 PM
Eminem could run tomorrow & beat Bush. BUSH STOLE THE ELECTION!!! He got LESS than 50% of the votes!!!! Say what you want about Gore, Bush's legitiamcy will ALWAYS be in question! I am a firm believer in karma & I think Bush is getting his RIGHT NOW! Bush will go down in history as being a SELCTED pResident!Even if you honestly think Bush won the election(
Hold on while I stop laughing(
Okay, even if you honestly believe Bush won,it was SO close I wouldn't brag! Things are MUCH worse now thanks to the Idiot war crimminal coward than they were in 2000.Only way Bush will be re-Selected is if he steals the 2004 Election AGAIN!

posted on Jul, 18 2003 @ 09:58 PM

Originally posted by romantico
Eminem could run tomorrow & beat Bush. BUSH STOLE THE ELECTION!!! He got LESS than 50% of the votes!!!! Say what you want about Gore, Bush's legitiamcy will ALWAYS be in question! I am a firm believer in karma & I think Bush is getting his RIGHT NOW! Bush will go down in history as being a SELCTED pResident!Even if you honestly think Bush won the election(
Hold on while I stop laughing(
Okay, even if you honestly believe Bush won,it was SO close I wouldn't brag! Things are MUCH worse now thanks to the Idiot war crimminal coward than they were in 2000.Only way Bush will be re-Selected is if he steals the 2004 Election AGAIN!

he wont win in '04 duh. unless because confused hebrews in florida # up again.

were gonna have a communist in office for the next 8 years unless mccain wants to run. hell Irwin Rommel would be a far better candidate than the people that are gonna run next year.

posted on Jul, 19 2003 @ 10:02 AM
Krazy Ivan!!

They don't call you "Krazy Ivan" for nothing I see!!!

posted on Jul, 19 2003 @ 10:17 AM
Romantico, telling a lie over and over does not make it any closer to the truth. The evidence is overwhelming thatthe DNC did everything they could, in conjunction with their media lapdogs, to steal the presidency. Get over it and drive on.

As far as your prophesy that even a troubled boy with fantasies of killing his mother could be Bush in '04, I'd be careful about betting money on that. I lost money a few years ago because I saw right through Clinton and knew the country wouldn't fall for that scam artist. I then lost even more money four years later. True enough, it wasn't a majority win for Clinton, but I still gave the nation too much credit.
My advice is to keep your wallet in your pocket, unless the democrats come up with a candidate much better than what they are fielding right now. It's not too late, but time is ticking, they need to hurry up!

posted on Jul, 19 2003 @ 10:22 AM
Its way too early for me to make predictions.So all we have now is speculation on if the election were held today.Bush's approval is way,way down & he could easily be beat today.Lets see if he can drag the country down any deeper than he alreaydy has by next year.

Oh & another thing, say what you want,but Clinton WON both elections.There were no questions asked!Period!With Bush, everything must be second guessed!Clinton was the last officially ELECTED President of the US!

posted on Jul, 19 2003 @ 03:13 PM
I wonder if romantico even knows what a KrazyIvan is...or why KrazyIvan's avatar is of the "Latvian Captain Remius" (Played by Sean Conery).

The term KrazyIvan if anything, is a very intelligent one. Especially for the poor saps in the LA classes during the Cold War.

[Edited on 19-7-2003 by FreeMason]

posted on Jul, 19 2003 @ 03:24 PM
I have mixed feelings about both, Clinton Pussified the nation while helping our economy. Bush reasserted our posistion as a world military power, But the economy has slumped. Too bad there cant be an inbetween. But personaly, i favor Bush. I'm the type who beleives in a country founded on solid military strength.

[Edited on 19-7-2003 by ThermoNuke]

posted on Jul, 19 2003 @ 03:40 PM
There is an inbetween Thermo, Cliton is the one who destroyed our Economy.

Can someone please tell me again, how a President manages to ruin the economy, before he is elected President?

Because at the least the economy was slumping during the elections because I remember specifically saying to my family members "Whoever wins is going to inherit the title of the bringer of this comming recession."

And when Bush was elected I spared no fingers in pointing out all the BS spouted by Democrats.

One Democrat even said "Bush will sink the economy."

Yeah easy for you to say buckeroo when the economy already had a gash in it worse than the titanic!

posted on Jul, 19 2003 @ 03:42 PM
Good, point I had thought about that before but failed to realize it when writing the post. I had been in a discussion over this and realized it. Clinton did break the economy and left Bush with the mess. Now i remember why I hated him so much. Thanks Mason

posted on Jul, 19 2003 @ 03:52 PM
No problem Thermonuke!

And seeing that it is the opportunity to explain why I believe that Clinton is not only responsible, but HUGELY responsible...because every 10 years or so we are supposed to go through a recession...well Clinton (sucking money from military and else where), supercharged the economy so whe had gone through nearly 20 years without a true heavy recession.

Well here we are, making up for those 20 years.

Ask yourselves....was the (Zero budget deficit) really worth all this? I mean in 8 years? Clinton should have started something that would have taken 50 years, not just we risk losing even MORE money, because Clinton wanted to look "awesome".

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