Evidence of human occupation in Mexico around the Last Glacial Maximum

Coming up from those good people at Nature magazine. Nothing on line yet, but my spies tell me that more is promised for tomorrow. This changes the dating of the peopling of the Americas yet again. Still doesn't hit the 40KYA date that I heard muttered about in Monte Verde, Chile...but getting there!

Evidence of human occupation in Mexico around the Last Glacial Maximum
Abstract:
The initial colonization of the Americas remains a highly debated topic1, and the exact timing of the first arrivals is unknown. The earliest archaeological record of Mexico—which holds a key geographical position in the Americas—is poorly known and understudied. Historically, the region has remained on the periphery of research focused on the first American populations2. However, recent investigations provide reliable evidence of a human presence in the northwest region of Mexico3,4, the Chiapas Highlands5, Central Mexico6 and the Caribbean coast7–9 during the Late Pleistocene and Early Holocene epochs. Here we present results of recent excavations at Chiquihuite Cave—a high-altitude site in central-northern Mexico—that corroborate previous findings in the Americas10–17of cultural evidence that dates to the Last Glacial Maximum (26,500–19,000 years ago)18, and which push back dates for human dispersal to the region possibly as early as 33,000–31,000 years ago.

The site yielded about 1,900 stone artefacts within a 3-m-deep stratified sequence, revealing a previously unknown lithic industry that underwent only minor changes over millennia. More than 50 radiocarbon and luminescence dates provide chronological control, and genetic, palaeoenvironmental and chemical data document the changing environments in which the occupants lived. Our results provide new evidence for the antiquity of humans in the Americas, illustrate the cultural diversity of the earliest dispersal groups (which predate those of the Clovis culture) and open new directions of research.

a reply to: JohnnyCanuck
Hi bruh could hook us up with a link looks interesting.

originally posted by: Spider879
a reply to: JohnnyCanuck
Hi bruh could hook us up with a link looks interesting.

I don't yet have one as all I was sent was a PDF with a promise of more tomorrow. I'll provide it as soon as I can get it. Does change things, though, and supports what I say about 'hidden archaeology'. Provide the evidence, and it will certainly get out there (regional politics notwithstanding).

a reply to: JohnnyCanuck

Well thanks for putting it out there. Hopefully a little more meat will flesh this story out. I don't doubt that it is true.

originally posted by: JohnnyCanuck

originally posted by: Spider879
a reply to: JohnnyCanuck
Hi bruh could hook us up with a link looks interesting.

I don't yet have one as all I was sent was a PDF with a promise of more tomorrow. I'll provide it as soon as I can get it. Does change things, though, and supports what I say about 'hidden archaeology'. Provide the evidence, and it will certainly get out there (regional politics notwithstanding).

kool 'm waiting...

originally posted by: JohnnyCanuck
Coming up from those good people at Nature magazine. Nothing on line yet, but my spies tell me that more is promised for tomorrow. This changes the dating of the peopling of the Americas yet again. Still doesn't hit the 40KYA date that I heard muttered about in Monte Verde, Chile...but getting there!

Evidence of human occupation in Mexico around the Last Glacial Maximum
Abstract:
The initial colonization of the Americas remains a highly debated topic1, and the exact timing of the first arrivals is unknown. The earliest archaeological record of Mexico—which holds a key geographical position in the Americas—is poorly known and understudied. Historically, the region has remained on the periphery of research focused on the first American populations2. However, recent investigations provide reliable evidence of a human presence in the northwest region of Mexico3,4, the Chiapas Highlands5, Central Mexico6 and the Caribbean coast7–9 during the Late Pleistocene and Early Holocene epochs. Here we present results of recent excavations at Chiquihuite Cave—a high-altitude site in central-northern Mexico—that corroborate previous findings in the Americas10–17of cultural evidence that dates to the Last Glacial Maximum (26,500–19,000 years ago)18, and which push back dates for human dispersal to the region possibly as early as 33,000–31,000 years ago.

The site yielded about 1,900 stone artefacts within a 3-m-deep stratified sequence, revealing a previously unknown lithic industry that underwent only minor changes over millennia. More than 50 radiocarbon and luminescence dates provide chronological control, and genetic, palaeoenvironmental and chemical data document the changing environments in which the occupants lived. Our results provide new evidence for the antiquity of humans in the Americas, illustrate the cultural diversity of the earliest dispersal groups (which predate those of the Clovis culture) and open new directions of research.

Oh, very cool. We look forward to the paper and evidence!

Just put up a post at Unexplained Mysteries based on your initial post. Well things were static for awhile then we had a paper on this and a week before SA in the south Pacific., etc. We live in exciting times.

www.unexplained-mysteries.com...

Will report back!

a reply to: JohnnyCanuck

Yeah reading report now - looks solid, multiple dates, good looking stratigraphy, lithic industry, I looked up the scientists - they good.


www.researchgate.net...

About 53 years ago a mastodon bone was found near Mexico city, it was covered with animals from the last ice age. Harvard university did excavations around the Valsequillo resevoir and they found buried kill sites that had the oldest spesrheads ever found, some Archaeologists postulated an age of 40,000 years! amazing, but the US Geological survey did testing and came up with an age of 250,000 years and were published in geological journals but the Archaeologists said it was impossible and the area became a forbiden zone for anymore research! the older dates were confirmed and Geologist Virginia Steen-McIntyre lost her career over it,

all this isn't well known but a great book by author Christopher Hardaker covers it thoroghly in the book called "The First American" The suppressed story of the people who discovered the new world! there are also documentarys on youtube. it's a controversial subject but i believe the evidence was clear but the archaelogical dogma (no pre clovis) couldn't allow it

Archaeologist Cynthia Irwin-Williams wrote a paper with Steen-McIntyre but after being threatened by colleagues with loss of career Irwin-williams removed her name from the paper, a classic cover-up

originally posted by: TimHeller
About 53 years ago a mastodon bone was found near Mexico city, it was covered with animals from the last ice age. Harvard university did excavations around the Valsequillo resevoir and they found buried kill sites that had the oldest spesrheads ever found, some Archaeologists postulated an age of 40,000 years! amazing, but the US Geological survey did testing and came up with an age of 250,000 years and were published in geological journals but the Archaeologists said it was impossible and the area became a forbiden zone for anymore research! the older dates were confirmed and Geologist Virginia Steen-McIntyre lost her career over it,

No she didn't lose here career over it she remained a Tephrochronologist, PhD (Specialist in volcanic ash studies) until her retirement.

It is not a forbidden zone many follow up studies have been done.

You can see those here: pleistocenecoalition.com...

all this isn't well known but a great book by author Christopher Hardaker covers it thoroghly in the book called "The First American" The suppressed story of the people who discovered the new world! there are also documentarys on youtube. it's a controversial subject but i believe the evidence was clear but the archaelogical dogma (no pre clovis) couldn't allow it

Yes, I've read his book and have exchange comments on a few forums with him - how come if it's 'suppressed' I can be reading a book about, look at numerous websites and was taught about it in college and have been discussing it on line since 1987? If it suppressed how do YOU know about it? You've read books, seen it on Youtube, forums, etc...kinda well known for being suppressed huh?

Archaeologist Cynthia Irwin-Williams wrote a paper with Steen-McIntyre but after being threatened by colleagues with loss of career Irwin-williams removed her name from the paper, a classic cover-up

See comments above

a reply to: Hanslune

You are correct and i stand corrected, Thank you

It would make sense that any society to the North would head South during a glacial maximum wouldn't it? Maybe the problem with science is not giving any common sense value to what were, essentially, our ancestors.

originally posted by: Jonjonj
It would make sense that any society to the North would head South during a glacial maximum wouldn't it? Maybe the problem with science is not giving any common sense value to what were, essentially, our ancestors.

Except for those who came from the south.

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The south of where? The south of Argentina or Chile? What south are we talking about?

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youtu.be...

this video covers this south subject....you might find this interesting.

a reply to: JohnnyCanuck

The establishment and sell out archaeologists can (SNIP) my (SNIP) (SNIP).

Just wonder what are they hiding from us.

My gut knows. But he aint saying .

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Well isn't that the most interesting doc! I watched the whole thing and it was fascinating.

Thanks for that, I appreciate it.

originally posted by: JohnnyCanuck

originally posted by: Jonjonj
It would make sense that any society to the North would head South during a glacial maximum wouldn't it? Maybe the problem with science is not giving any common sense value to what were, essentially, our ancestors.

Except for those who came from the south.

Or the West across the ocean. Or the East from southern Africa or beyond.

originally posted by: Blue Shift

originally posted by: JohnnyCanuck

originally posted by: Jonjonj
It would make sense that any society to the North would head South during a glacial maximum wouldn't it? Maybe the problem with science is not giving any common sense value to what were, essentially, our ancestors.

Except for those who came from the south.

Or the West across the ocean. Or the East from southern Africa or beyond.

Well the southern-north pattern would come out of the west. As to southern Africa? Never say never.

originally posted by: Jonjonj
a reply to: JohnnyCanuck
The south of where? The south of Argentina or Chile? What south are we talking about?

Perhaps the oldest known site is Monte Verde, Chile. 20 years ago, I heard mutterings out of there that pointed to 40 KYA. It's all about what can be proven, and as technology improves, so do dating techniques.

originally posted by: solve
a reply to: JohnnyCanuck
The establishment and sell out archaeologists can (SNIP) my (SNIP) (SNIP).
Just wonder what are they hiding from us.
My gut knows. But he aint saying .

Well, if it can't even be expressed, it certainly can't be discussed. And am I one of those "establishment and sell out archaeologists can (SNIP) my (SNIP) (SNIP)"? Again, if you can't be more specific, I don't know if I should feel insulted, or not.