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originally posted by: neutronflux
a reply to: spy66
It seems the whore to me is a false church or religion. That is not of Christ. Probably believes in something like universal salvation.
It probably is because they beleive in Lord God and that Eden is heaven. Where the Dargon and the Serphent romes...
originally posted by: neutronflux
a reply to: spy66
So no free will? Then someone is pulling your strings to post?
The Bible doesn’t even support your view. How can God judge individuals if they don’t have free well and are programmed. There would be nothing to judge.
originally posted by: Pachomius
MONO
Dear frugal, have we met before?
I seem to get the impression that you are in wonder over the beauty of nature, and that stirs you to sing praise to God.
Now, right at this point of my thread I am in the process to prove that existence is permanent i.e. eternal, and from that step to prove that God exists, in concept as the creator cause of man and the universe and everything with a beginning.
My launching pad is the task of first getting everyone including myself to concur on what it is to prove something to exist.
For the purpose of this task I distinguish between proving (i) something to exist which we have access to, by our external senses of sight hearing touch taste and smell, and the super sense of our consciousness, and (ii) something that we have no access to with our external senses of sight hearing touch taste and smell, and our super sense of consciousness.
(i) mode is simple easy and quick unless you are under complete anaesthesia, or in a comatose state.
(ii) mode is quite difficult but not impossible: difficult as the object is not accessible to our external senses of sight hearing touch taste and smell, and also of course our super sense of consciousness.
It is with mode (ii) that we will encounter even extreme difficulty but as I said it is not impossible, when we factor in the fact that we are classified by animal taxonomists (founder Carl Linnaeus d. 1778) as homo* sapiens i.e. living entity with intelligence, we can and do employ our brain to prove that something exists, notwithstanding that it is not accessible to our external senses of sight hearing touch taste and smell, and of course our super sense of consciousness.
Would you, dear frugal, give it a try with (ii)?
*Homo in Latin means a human, in Greek it means 'the same", as in homosexuals, i.e. men who do sex with fellow men, how? that's up to your imagination.
NOT EVERYTHING WRITTEN IN THE BIBLE, DONE IN THE BIBLE WAS APPROVED BY GOD. RATHER THE BIBLE TENDS TO BE MORE OF A RECORD OF THE JEWS, HUMANITIES WRONGS DOINGS. UNDENIABLE EXAMPLES OF SOME MAJOR JEWISH PERSONS, LEADERS WHO DISOBEYED GOD IN THE BIBLE
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Isaiah 30:1 “Woe to the rebellious children,” declares the LORD, “Who execute a plan, but not Mine, And make an alliance, but not of My Spirit, In order to add sin to sin;
originally posted by: spy66
a reply to: neutronflux (My one exception from my resolution to not anymore engage in exchange with posters who cite revelation authority -Pachomius)
I have faith that you like to bludgeon people with your home brewed religion. But in reality it looks like you have unfounded opinions about people. Your making claims about individuals and relationships with God that is only God’s privilege to judge.
It does not matter what you have faith in when it it comes to me, It is Jesus who will be the judge. According to scripture...
It is what i have been trying to say all the time. We dont have free will. Non of this is up to us, non of this is up to you. You are just playing your role in what is called life/reality. And there is nothing you can do about it.....
It dosent matter how much you want to be saved, if Jesus have a different verdict...
Why was Moses not allowed to enter the promise land?
Was there punishment when Jonah disobeyed God?
I have said it before... You don't have free will when it comes to Gods will or to Gods Plan.
Isaiah 30:1 “Woe to the rebellious children,” declares the LORD, “Who execute a plan, but not Mine, And make an alliance, but not of My Spirit, In order to add sin to sin;
The punishment may seem harsh to us, but, when we look closely at Moses’ actions, we see several mistakes. Most obviously, Moses disobeyed a direct command from God. God had commanded Moses to speak to the rock. Instead, Moses struck the rock with his staff
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David also suffers another failure that, to us in the 21st century, may seem strange. He takes a census of the people of Israel. Although this seems like a prudent thing to do, the biblical text tells us that Satan incited David to do this against the advice of David’s general Joab. Furthermore, "God was displeased with this thing, and he struck Israel" (1 Chronicles 21:6).
David acknowledges his sin in taking a census against God’s will.
www.theologyofwork.org... 1-2/davids-successes-and-failures-as-king-2-samuel-1-24/davids-disobedience-to-god-causes-a-national-pestilence-1-chronicles-211-17
James 1:13-15
New International Version
13 When tempted, no one should say, “God is tempting me.” For God cannot be tempted by evil, nor does he tempt anyone; 14 but each person is tempted when they are dragged away by their own(A) evil desire and enticed. 15 Then, after desire has conceived, it gives birth to sin;(B) and sin, when it is full-grown, gives birth to death.(C)
www.biblegateway.com...
originally posted by: whereislogic
...It's not even an appropiate description of blind faith, which would be more like (if trying to use some of the same phrases): belief in spite of an absence of evidence (but actually better said, in spite of not being aware of evidence, and often not really caring all that much about it, believing something anyway regardless of any evidence; much closer to the definition for credulity).
Credulity definition, willingness to believe or trust too readily, especially without proper or adequate evidence; gullibility.
Source: dictionary.com
originally posted by Pachomius
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I was into my discourse on what it is to prove that some things exist permanently or eternally, and I have reached the (ii) step - see quote below.
Now I will resume and continue my discourse, on (ii), how to prove that things beyond our access by our external senses of sight hearing touch taste smell, and the super sense of consciously, namely - that mankind can prove to exist and that ultimately existence is permanent i.e. eternal.
Here are my steps to expound on how mankind can and does prove the existence of things beyond our access by sight hearing touch taste smell, and the super sense of consciousness, AND that existence is permanent i.e. eternal.
- 1 Mankind has a mind that is endowed with intelligence.
- 2 Intelligence tells us that there is a distinction between things accessible to our external senses of sight hearing touch taste smell, and the super sense of consciousness, and
- 3 things not accessible to our external senses of sight etc.
- 4 Intelligence tells us that there is a collection of all things: the ones accessible to our external senses of sight etc., and the ones not accessible to our external senses of sight etc.
- 5 Intelligence tells us that there are things in the collection of all things, namely - things that have a beginning.
- 6 Intelligence tells us that things with a beginning owe their existence to things that are without beginning.
- 7 Intelligence tells us that the collection of all things exists as a collection, namely, that the collection exists permanently i.e. eternally.
- 8 Intelligence tells us that (a) wherefore the collection of existence of all things we can call it simply as existence.
- 9 Intelligence tells us that (b) wherefore it is ascertained that existence is permanent i.e. eternal.
End of exposition.
Dear everyone, just cite one step to take up with me, one step any step - per one exchange, okay?
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originally posted by: neutronflux
a reply to: Pachomius
Threads dead, let it go.
originally posted by: Pachomius
MONO
On the basis of my concept of God, namely, God in concept is the creator cause of man and the universe and everything with a beginning, this thought is purely on philosophy, and nothing to do with religion.
The God of philosophy has nothing to do with morality or immorality, and wherefore nothing to do with 'hell' or 'heaven', or 'karma': and therefore nothing to do with free will by the exercise of which man will be rewarded or punished.
Free will in the context of reward or punishment on man is actually in philosophy (prescinding from religion) a constructive or un-constructive preferred action undertaken by by man, grounded on his knowledge of the consequences of His preferred and thus executed action.
His knowledge of consequences could be constructive as he prefers them to be, or in fact the consequences turn out to be un-constructive not only for himself - but also could be un-constructive to society.
And what is the role of society in regard to his undertaking an action that is in fact turning out to be un-constructive to society?
Society will administer pain on him, like torture or imprisonment, and even death, to teach him or/and generally all members of society: to always think carefully: on whether a man's preferred action could be un-constructive to society, even as society has enacted laws prohibiting explicitly determined actions.