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posted on Mar, 16 2005 @ 10:07 PM
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BeefotronX - don't get me wrong! I don't have anything against "Paper" or "Hard Copy" - Checks are Cool - most people get Paid with Pay Checks!

I am just Against this "Federal Reserve" Entity having a *MONOPOLY* on U.S. Currency - I mean think about it - is anyone at the "FED" Democratically Elected - NO! This is Ridiculous! Does the President have Power over Greenspan - or does Greenspan have Power over the President?




posted on Mar, 17 2005 @ 01:31 AM
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Originally posted by Seraphim_Serpente
BeefotronX - don't get me wrong! I don't have anything against "Paper" or "Hard Copy" - Checks are Cool - most people get Paid with Pay Checks!

I am just Against this "Federal Reserve" Entity having a *MONOPOLY* on U.S. Currency - I mean think about it - is anyone at the "FED" Democratically Elected - NO! This is Ridiculous! Does the President have Power over Greenspan - or does Greenspan have Power over the President?


The president and Greenspan don't have more power than each other. Both of them are owned. Who owns them? Whoever is leader of the secret societies.
For example, the leader of the Skull and Bones socieity owns Bush and Kerry and Dean. The leader tells them what to do.
But the Freemasons are a higher level secret society than the Skull and Bones. Then the Templars are higher than the Freemasons. Then there's the New World Illuminatti. Then there's the Old World Illuminatti.

It's all one giant pyramid, with those at the bottom, or lower ranks, kept from knowing about those more than 2 levels above them.
Greenspan and Bush both answer to the same boss who is not in the public light. Both are either members of secret societies, which take orders from other higher ranking secret societies, or are influenced by secret societies.



posted on Mar, 17 2005 @ 11:11 AM
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Although I agree that both Greenspan & G.W. Bush (Actually Bush I & Clinton also) are OWNED - I would have to disagree about Dean.

I Think that the "Powers that be" def TRIED to Control Dean - but he Rejected it! They tried to tell him what to say - but he said what he wanted to say - what was really on his Mind! He was the only Candidate to say what he really though about Iraq from the day he announced all the way up to Election Day! He def has a pair of B**LS - you have to admit it! This is one of the reasons that he got ATTACKED so HEAVILY from BOTH SIDES - Republican & Democrat (Because in my Opinion BOTH parties have fully & equally SOLD OUT)! Like McCain he was viewed as a "Loose Cannon" that was hard to Control!



posted on Mar, 18 2005 @ 05:04 AM
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Originally posted by Seraphim_Serpente
Although I agree that both Greenspan & G.W. Bush (Actually Bush I & Clinton also) are OWNED - I would have to disagree about Dean.

I Think that the "Powers that be" def TRIED to Control Dean - but he Rejected it! They tried to tell him what to say - but he said what he wanted to say - what was really on his Mind! He was the only Candidate to say what he really though about Iraq from the day he announced all the way up to Election Day!


The secret societies are smart enough in that they control both sides. They'll even have 1 side (that they control) seem to be against the other side (that they control.)

Dean was never publically asked if he was a member. But what is known about him don't disprove him from being a member.



posted on Mar, 18 2005 @ 09:06 AM
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Quote: "The Secret Societies are smart enough in that they control both sides. They'll even have 1 side (that they control) seem to be against the other side (that they control.)"

Yes I realize this - that is what I meant by: "Republican & Democrat (Because in my Opinion *BOTH parties have fully & equally *SOLD OUT*)!"

It makes me *LAUGH* to think that the Public still has any Faith in the
so-called "Parties" - there is ONLY ONE PARTY! It is
FOR BIG CORPORATE INTEREST & AGAINST YOU the Average Citizen!



posted on Mar, 18 2005 @ 11:23 AM
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Apparently there are some serious questions about the source of claims by Mullins and others about the ownership of the Fed. Here's an essay that casts serious doubt on the possibility of foreign ownership:

www.floodlight.org...

Also, keep in mind that foreign institutions cannot legally own member stock in any Federal Reserve member bank. Anyone researching this topic would do well to go straight to the horse's mouth, too:

www.federalreserve.gov...

I've heard that the Fed can't be audited, so I think demanding that the Fed be audited by Congress, the SEC, or the IRS would be a good first step in exposing anything anti-American they may be doing, and it may recover billions in embezzled dollars that should have gone to the US Treasury.



posted on Mar, 18 2005 @ 12:32 PM
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Quote: "casts serious doubt on the possibility of Foreign Ownership".

Have you Forgotten that "America" is in-fact Rooted in "Europe"?


Since when are these Cities Located in America?:

Rothschild Banks of *London* and *Berlin*
Lazard Brothers Banks of *Paris*
Israel Moses Seif Banks of *Italy*
Warburg Bank of *Hamburg* and *Amsterdam*



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posted on Mar, 31 2005 @ 02:30 AM
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this is a new area for me.

I would have swore kennedy was removed cuz of the threat of losing billions in war dollars.

but as I keep digging....it sure looks like both kennedy and lincoln were taken out by the bank. a rothschilds hit. cuz rothschilds would have lost billions or more in interest.

apparantly the 18 pages that were missing from boothes diary were recovered years later in an attic of a relative. it showed that boothe was sent by rothschild and it names who knew about this. sorry, I don't have a link..

one must keep in mind that our history [ which we think we know about ] has been partially sanitized and or glossed over, or neglected. I'll post any relevant links that I feel will help support this claim when and if I find them...

only a total history geek , that has noticed the different presidents comments about the banks [ and not taken those comments lightly ] , and noted who and when and what was said and who had attempted assasination after a public comment...will be able to help piece this together

the usa was the prize for rothschild...no doubt about it...and it looks like they pulled a bank coup...but not only that....anyone who has been paying attention, has noticed the lies and deceit and the coverups...one can only conclude, the only reason , one side doesn't bust out the other, is that both sides have very dirty hands . so , to expose the other guy , they'd end up exposing their guilt as well ! [ tell me that's not logical ! ] not to mention we've been sold out to big business , jobs now gone overseas...[ sorry..driftin a bit..]

anyways...we're way way way in debt to the banks.[ without foreign investors, who must be amazed we haven't collapsed, we'd be in really big doo-doo.]. I get a kick out of the creative financing of mortgages [ interest only pmts etc...] , designed to put off a collapse , has been very effective so far...

I expected a major problem , similar to the market after 9/11 , but it just keeps hanging on...and my fears have not been justified...so far...

jefferson , jackson , and lincoln, and I'm sure others[ I just don't know who right now ] had very strong harsh words/warnings [ about and ] for the banks.

I think this thread is a diamond..in the rough...with a little work...I think we'll
be able to put a good collection of info together for an eye opening conclusion...

one link ;

www.prolognet.qc.ca...

another ;

theunjustmedia.com...&%20Federal%20Reserve/Proof%20of%20the%20Banking%20Conspiracy%20A%20Message%20from%20the%20Past.htm



gee, two lone assassins ! always with the middle name too....it took me a while to warm up to this speculation...

what say you ?



posted on Mar, 31 2005 @ 09:07 AM
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Originally posted by toasted
gee, two lone assassins ! always with the middle name too....it took me a while to warm up to this speculation...


I had suspicions about the middle name until I followed the local news more closely. Anytime someone commits an atrocious act, they attach a middle name, I assume, to avoid other "John Doe's" from getting unwanted attention about a crime they didn't commit. It seems to be a common practice with the media to do this. It makes sense once you think about it.

Having said that, I definitely believe the bankers have this country in a chokehold and are responsible for the deaths of Lincoln and Kennedy....and the assassination attempt on Jackson. When are we going to take our country back? It seems too far of a reach....even our own presidents couldn't succeed.



posted on Mar, 31 2005 @ 12:18 PM
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bangin

good point !

but the lone gunman part...how clever

steering thought towards who, as opposed to WHY ! very clever indeed...simple and effective...til you spot the ruse...

eh ?



posted on Apr, 1 2005 @ 04:41 AM
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Quote: "As Mayer Anselm Rothschild once said: "Permit me to Issue and Control the Money of a Nation, and I care not who makes its Laws..."


Well that sums everything up pretty well no? This is not some Crazy, Cooky Conspiracy Theory - it is
*REALLY HAPPENING*! This is really their Mentality! Tell me what good is a "Democracy" if the Public is constantly Lied to & treated like Slave Labor?


Truth = iresist.com...

This is why we have these Foreign Entities telling us what to do! This is why the UN & IMF have Power over the U.S. If these "Foreign Investors" are going to Buy all of our Debt/Bonds do you think that they are just going to lay back & take a Nap Afterwards - NO they are going to try to get something for their Money! They will take advantage of our Strengths - Our Military Power for Instance. This is why the U.S. has become the "World's PoliceMan". This is the Root basis of "World Government" -> the GLOBAL ECONOMY! Everyone should go watch the movie "Network" right about now – it is a little dated – but it wraps all of this stuff up nicely & shows how much the Media is Truly Manipulated - in the Favor of these Global Bankers of-course!


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posted on Apr, 1 2005 @ 12:28 PM
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seraphim,

taking it a step further, we have ;

consolidation of power, and owners of the news. independents are rare.

these lunatics have a dream. the dream is a one world gov't or a NWO as it were.

the UN is instrumental in this , world soldier toys for kids , pledge allegience to the world. they pray to and speak to whatever entities they can conjure up in their meditation room [ I heard the audo tape ]

sorry for the drift here...but this is all connected .

unless these revelations about who cotrols what and where we are being steered hits you like you just lost a family member...then you won't "get-it"...well not likely anyways...

we've been programmed against reacting to certain kinds of info...and this is the stuff, that we have very little basic knowledge of. and that alot of us have our eyes glaze over, upon hearing this kind of info...and therefore just move onto other , more " understandable" topics . and thereafter this glazing type of topic will be DEAD to them...

[ the power elite can only get away with it until we realize as a whole, what is happening to us. but the means to spread that realization is mostly under their control [ in the usa anyways ]] the media is very controlled...



posted on Apr, 2 2005 @ 11:50 PM
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Personally I'm a little skeptical about a one world currency. Although to an extent, that would remove the fear of a collapsed dollar.

"It's not just backed by the full faith of the U.S., it's backed by the full faith of the NWO"

I can see that now.



Like a conversation from the movie slackers.



posted on Apr, 3 2005 @ 03:31 AM
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Originally posted by AlwaysLearning
Not sure if someone else posted these - if so, my apologies:

Secrets of the Federal Reserve by Eustace Mullins

In order to understand how the Federal Reserve came to be, it is important to understand the orgins of money and moneychangers:

The Babylonian Woe by David Astle

Another book worth reading is Confessions of an Economic Hitman by John Perkins Interview

For anyone interested, John Perkins will be a guest on spyman.ca, March 23, 10 p.m. E.S.T.



Thank you for the list of books. I've never heard of them, but will check them out. Though I already know for a fact the Federal Reserve is a scam and a racket.
Another book everyone should check out is:

"And the Truth Shall Set You Free" by David Icke. Chapter 3, Paper Power which starts on page 37, goes into hardcore, graphic, detail on how it all started. With the gold smiths, usuary (charging intrest) was (and still is) immoral in every major religion, how Mayor Amschel Baurer started out (he embezzeled millions from an embezzer!), the Baurer's later changed their family name to Rothschild (yep it has a meaning too!)... to help cover their true origins, and more!

People can read it for free at any major bookstore (like Barnes & Noble, or whatever). They have chairs for people to sit and read books for free. And of course, if anyone has enough money, they can buy it and read it whenever they want.



posted on Jun, 25 2005 @ 03:05 PM
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one must keep in mind that our history [ which we think we know about ] has been partially sanitized and or glossed over, or neglected. I'll post any relevant links that I feel will help support this claim when and if I find them...


partially sanitized and or glossed over....


That i think has to qualify as a candidate for understatement of the century.

You dont know history fact!
you cant handle the truth, fact!

even so America is going to have to accept the consequences of it sooner or later, because almost all the world hates America now.
Think about it, where are your friends america? the UK maybe? Canada possibly? i dont know, America has alot more enemies than friends.
America is headed for self destruction. fact.

Bush thinks its caus of amercias 'freedoms'
no george, its not.
but americans are so dumb they vote the guy in again.
only a matter of time before these childish bullying actions of america come home to roost.



posted on Jun, 25 2005 @ 10:33 PM
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Originally posted by AdamJ
[but americans are so dumb they vote the guy in again.
only a matter of time before these childish bullying actions of america come home to roost.


Not quite. Bush blatantly stole his first election with shady stuff in Florida.
He more stealthily stole his second election with shady stuff in Ohio.

How Bush Stole His 2nd Election with shady stuff in Ohio



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posted on Jun, 27 2005 @ 01:40 AM
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of that I have no doubt .

this may drift the thread a bit , but I think it is all tied in.

ever ask yourself , whatever happened to the way life was in the 50'-60's ?

how did it get so twisted ? there used to be tolerance and the free exchange of ideas was encouraged .

then POLITICALLY CORRECT slowly slipped in. but by whom ? who would encourage speech that was more like COMMUNIST speech , than FREE SPEECH ?!

ever dig into IRAN CONTRA , or read the CONSPIRATORS by al white ?

ever dig into INSLAW ? anyone who has , knows the gov't has contempt for the american laws ! WTF ? what's goin' on ?

ever think about our jobs going to COMMIES and SOCIALISTS ? the start in the 80's , continues into NAFTA , and into today !

ever think about the forgiveness of DEBT of so many 3rd world cesspools ? { I'm not against a bit of charity, eh !? } but WHO is PAYING FOR IT ?

open borders , where illegals can just run amok , including criminals

the drain on the healthcare system, the illegals put on it

the supporters of taking away our rights who wrap themslves in the FLAG ! [ whores !]

if you step back, and take a look at it. it APPEARS that there is an effort to raise the income lifestyle of the COMMIES and SOCIALISTS

around the world ! and in the process , ours is slowly taking a hit . [ am I wrong ?]

before too much longer, americans won't be able to afford chevys and hondas and fords and pontiacs,

they'll be forced to buy CHINESE cars, which are affordable.

slowly the big american car companies will lose market share, the same will happen in the middle class housing.

currents values will take a dive, cuz there are not enuf jobs to pay a 500 car note and a 1500 mortgage

[ the value of that dollar is shrinking , but the debt to the bankers is growing

if we're raising their income[ COMMIES/SOCIALISTS ] and ours [ AMERICAN ] is shrinking in the process [ virtually equalizing incomes ]

then , what does that SOUND LIKE, is happening , to you ?

does that sound like a capitalistic system to you ?

eh ?

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posted on Jun, 30 2005 @ 10:14 PM
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You know it is interesting - I recently stumbled onto a Video Tape that I Recorded of a Documentary on the Federal Reserve that was on the Air around 2000. It is a Valid Description to call the Federal Reserve a "Private Corporation". Like any other Corporation\Industry they are subject to Regulation from the Government (Co-Incidentally it is Impossible for a person to Run for Public Office without access to Money). U.S. Currency or CASH is a PRODUCT of the Federal Reserve. They have the Exclusive right to Print “Dollar Bills” (Which Co-Incidentally was given to them by Congress when they gave up their powers to Coin with the Federal Reserve Acts of 1916 & 1945), which they then Release into the Public Market at an Interest Rate - which they set (i.e. the "FED" Funds Rate).

There is a lot of discussion here that this "Fed Note" Cash was not backed by anything - that is were I think we are making a Mistake. It is Backed by the Market! Every thing in this World works via the Laws of Supply & Demand - Free & Open Markets are Self Balancing! The Federal Reserve can & DOES Buy Stocks, Bonds, Gold, Silver, Platinum (& even Oil if they wanted) to back up the Value of the Notes they have released (Just as other Corporations are Responsible for the Various Products they have Released into the Market). They can even take “Old Notes” out of Circulation if they wish. Every Corporation is subject to its own Policies & Protocols! There are Various Rules, Regulations & Laws in effect for the Citizens, Governments & Corporations of the World.

People are Free to use Credit or not to use Credit - Free to Buy & Sell Stocks (Equity) & Bonds (Debt) or not - People are Free to use Cash or Not to use Cash. It is all about Trading various items of Perceived Value in the Quest for Profit on the Free Market! It is this Perception & Continued USE of Cash by the Populace that actually gives it Value. The Federal Reserve Bank & World Governments are just the same as any other Corporation - it is just a matter of whether they are Public or Private - whether they are Open for Business/Trading or not!

Like I said it is all a matter of Supply vs. Demand - Growth vs. Recession - Inflation vs. Deflation - this is what effects things like "Prices"! Any Product, Commodity, Security or Service (even Labor) that is on the Market can be Valued in "Dollars", "Pounds" or anything else - it just depends on the agreement of all parties involved in the Transaction!



posted on Jun, 30 2005 @ 10:50 PM
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Quote: "Paper Currency DOES have Value. Ever hear of something called the "Gold Standard"?

Oh yeah - here is the thing - even though Gold is still being Traded on the Free Market today (always has been) & the Federal Reserve holds onto Gold - they are not Required to by Law! President Nixon removed the "Gold Standard" Requirement for the U.S. Dollar while he was in office in the 1970's. The FED still holds on to Gold because they WANT to not because they HAVE to by Law!

Jeez... why does the U.S. Congress & U.S. President keep messing up & making these Stupid moves? These guys really behave like the Puppets that they more than likely are in Reality!



posted on Jul, 1 2005 @ 12:14 PM
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so what eventually happens then, if the currency is backed by virtually nothing?
When does it reach the point that people wont use dollars anymore, is that when everyone knows they are worthless really, maybe even then people will just keep using them for the sake of it.
What happens if the inflation going on reaches a psychological point and the dollar starts to devalue in the markets, where does it stop?
What about stocks, alright the profits of the companies are worthless if we get high inflation and the dividends are also, but the companies still have valuable assets, so do stocks crash or just drift down? Does the DJIA end up coming back down to where it was in the 60s before all this debt started. That would be a big crash, what are the implications of that?

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