Waiting for a Vaccine?? Don't bother

originally posted by: TheLieWeLive
How about a what if?

if they do come out with what they’re calling a “vaccine” in the coming months, who here would take it knowing that they’ve never been that fast or successful before?

Not me.

I'm immunosuppressed, so I'd give it a go.

a reply to: drussell41

Quite! and the danger with this novel corona is that some treatments and/or recent test vaccines also make it worse and as yet they don't know how to resolve that issue. This is why I would be wary of any vaccine rushed out in the time frame they are talking about.

I don't think I would be taking that vaccine. If they come up with an rna based vaccine using CRISPR I would take that. I believe a normal vaccine will be about as useful as a vaccine for the common cold.

a reply to: Itiswhatitis1979
And of course with it mutating regularly even harder to create an effective "cure"

a reply to: Itiswhatitis1979

RdRPs (RNA dependent RNA polymerases) seem a pretty effective treatment according to case reports around the world. If thats the link, any form of RdRPs inhibitor would have some level of efficacy. Which is incredibly fascinating all on its own, with implications far beyond just SARS-CoV-2.

Research is all years and years old, and I would expect that all the different RdRPs inhibitors that have been used during this pandemic (HCQ + Zinc, Remdesivir, Faripiravir, etc) were inspired by that research, even if only tangentially.

Beyond that, I believe it would be prudent to really put baseline health as a focus before we start messing with a lot of the "solutions" that have become standard. In so many ways, we have never been less healthy and medical treatment & mistakes kill a lot of patients.

I think that before folks start putting unshakeable faith in The Vaccine as the only option, they should probably look into the industry a bit.

a reply to: Serdgiam
Well us Brits have been told that we may not see an end to lockdown UNTIL there is a vaccine...oh joy
then of course there is the threatened "Show us your immunity card" scenario or you can't go to work or socialise

originally posted by: PhyllidaDavenport
In the 70 yrs since coronavirus was first discovered there has never ever been a successful vaccine formulated. No vaccine research has got past Phase II testing. They have been trying to find a vaccine for Malaria which kills up to 500,000 per year, for the last 13yrs which is not an unusual time frame. To expect and hope researchers can create the very 1st coronavirus vaccine for a NEW coronavirus within 12months or less is absolutely ridiculous, and to base lifiting lockdowns around the globe based on this fantasy is just as ridiculous.

It was pure luck that researchers in China released the genetic sequence of the novel coronavirus once they realised that those in charge were not going to do so, they sacrificed at lot to do that including themselves in some cases. But even those sacrifices are nowhere near enough to enable others to create a miracle vaccine in the touted time frames.

Professor Ian Fraser of the University of Queensland who has been involved in the creation of the human papiloma vaccine states "

the challenge is that coronaviruses have historically been hard to make safe vaccines for, partly because the virus infects the upper respiratory tract, which our immune system isn't great at protecting

Also

One of the problems with corona vaccines in the past has been that when the immune response does cross over to where the virus-infected cells are it actually increases the pathology rather than reducing it

The chances of underfunded not for profit labs creating a vaccine for something that hasn't had a successful vaccine created for in the last 70 yrs are probably next to zero, as are the chances of the world's populations remaining under "house arrest" for the next few years.

The WHO are also stating that there may never be a vaccine for novel coronavirus.
So the only real alternative is the touted herd immunity, but that would involve many many more deaths and an appropriate immune response which so far with covid-19 most patients immune systems are simply not responding as they should and as stated above, can in fact worsen the situation.

It seems this virus, unless it sufficiently weakens, is going to be around a very very long time with very few ways of managing its ramapage

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I've been saying since the beginning, we'll have an effective treatment before a vaccine.

a reply to: poncho1982

Case reports, and almost a couple of decades into researching SARS-CoV would indicate we already do have a possibly(..) very effective course of treatment; anything that inhibits RdRPs to sufficient levels.

@Phyllida; Yeah, theres plenty of talk like that here in the states as well. Freaky..

Ive said it before, but even if this virus is as horrific as some think, we have bigger problems on our hands. I think that even the possibility of that, for those that are deeply fearful, should give some pause.

You know what ever the Truth about this Virus turns out to be, And I mean the real the Truth if there is such a thing in this convoluted world.

Some one is gonna pay, And I mean in blood.

If for some reason the USA is responsible , then we owe it to the World to pour how ever many billions it takes into finding a vaccine.

If China is Responsible and I mean if they did this # on purpose, it may very well come to War . Because if this Virus is gonna stick around and it cant be stopped in the traditional manner, Then I say we go in there and take there Military infrastructure from them because obviously there not responsible enough to handle or have it.

a reply to: poncho1982

I think I'd be happier with a treatment than a vaccine to be honest, provided it was researched & tested thoroughly of course. I suppose the only problem with a treatment especially for you Americans is, what will it cost you? And I can just imagine the US pharma companies vying for the privilege of being the first and of course the most expensive

a reply to: PhyllidaDavenport

I believe I saw that Ultomiris (Ravulizumab) is entering trials..

If its anything like the drug it is engineered from (Soliris; Eculizumab, duckduckgo it ), it might really be one to watch.

I cant imagine itd be less expensive, and being relatively new, should be more "acceptable." If thats the one that is selected, its gonna make some people a lot of money. Perhaps even enough to stave off this odd "vaccines are the only way!" narrative. At least for a time..

originally posted by: PhyllidaDavenport
In the 70 yrs since coronavirus was first discovered there has never ever been a successful vaccine formulated. No vaccine research has got past Phase II testing. They have been trying to find a vaccine for Malaria which kills up to 500,000 per year, for the last 13yrs which is not an unusual time frame. To expect and hope researchers can create the very 1st coronavirus vaccine for a NEW coronavirus within 12months or less is absolutely ridiculous, and to base lifiting lockdowns around the globe based on this fantasy is just as ridiculous.

It was pure luck that researchers in China released the genetic sequence of the novel coronavirus once they realised that those in charge were not going to do so, they sacrificed at lot to do that including themselves in some cases. But even those sacrifices are nowhere near enough to enable others to create a miracle vaccine in the touted time frames.

Professor Ian Fraser of the University of Queensland who has been involved in the creation of the human papiloma vaccine states "

the challenge is that coronaviruses have historically been hard to make safe vaccines for, partly because the virus infects the upper respiratory tract, which our immune system isn't great at protecting

Also

One of the problems with corona vaccines in the past has been that when the immune response does cross over to where the virus-infected cells are it actually increases the pathology rather than reducing it

The chances of underfunded not for profit labs creating a vaccine for something that hasn't had a successful vaccine created for in the last 70 yrs are probably next to zero, as are the chances of the world's populations remaining under "house arrest" for the next few years.

The WHO are also stating that there may never be a vaccine for novel coronavirus.
So the only real alternative is the touted herd immunity, but that would involve many many more deaths and an appropriate immune response which so far with covid-19 most patients immune systems are simply not responding as they should and as stated above, can in fact worsen the situation.

It seems this virus, unless it sufficiently weakens, is going to be around a very very long time with very few ways of managing its ramapage

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I've been saying this for weeks, and I will add: there is no such thing as vaccine herd immunity. Vaccines are only ever able to protect people for a short amount of time. In the case of stable viruses like measles, it does protect enough so that many will never get measles. But the flu vaccine: doesn't matter if you get it every single year, EVERYONE ends up getting the flu at some point. Coronavirus = same thing. What we need is for this virus to go through the population and establish ACTUAL herd immunity.

originally posted by: PhyllidaDavenport
No there are quite a few coming out now and saying the same including The WHO and Dr David Nabarro of Imperial College London as well as the others in the links
Dr Nabarro states

You don’t necessarily develop a vaccine that is safe and effective against every virus. Some viruses are very, very difficult when it comes to vaccine development - so for the foreseeable future, we are going to have to find ways to go about our lives with this virus as a constant threat

If it were just one person or some oddball from youtube I wouldn't have bothered but its not and the facts do remain that vaccines for coronavirus in the past have failed

a reply to: Freeborn

In my opinion, even a successful vaccine would end up much like the flu vaccine: a stab in the dark every year as the virus mutates.

a reply to: PhyllidaDavenport

Did you see this? It's in another thread.

www.youtube.com...

a reply to: drussell41

Yes I've seen it and to be honest it means very little I think it was just dark humour or genuine confusion over flu vaccine as opposed to covid-19 vaccine..who knows? It was just a few words

human vaccine [ N19COVID ] trails to start thursday [ UK ]

source

EDIT : changed source to BBC - cos daily fail are cockwombles

thanks to ATS member " freeborn "

a reply to: ignorant_ape

It's all over the BBC News website and quotes Matt Hancock as saying the UK is "throwing everything" at a vaccine.

www.bbc.co.uk...

www.bbc.co.uk...

As you said human trials are due to begin on Thursday......just shows how easy it is to cut through the normal restrictive red tape when wanted.

I just hope the materials required to manufacture any vaccine or effective treatment are readily available in the vast quantaties that will be needed to meet demand.

LOL, just dropped in here and noticed almost 10,000 posts gone by since I gave up on this site have gone by. I have been researching elsewhere regarding this virus because, being connected in some way to the other side, my wife and I saw this several years ago and feel we are now living in a sci fi novel. I may make a thread of this, but the short of it is, we saw an event, she separate from myself of seeing the land devoid of so many people due to an event. Folks were happy but living in small communities. She saw homes with no one living in them any longer, but in some food was hoarded and left there, she wondered if they died or just went away. This is happening now. We saw the same things. I also saw us returning to my village up north and saw the village shut down completely, it was spooky and now it too is coming to pass in the present which gives me wonderment that the rest may come about.

To make my dreams/visions come to pass was aptly described here in this post and is what I feel may be happening, only herd ammunity and when done, the herd will be greatly reduced, much like wildlife. I was told the number 17 or 18, years I assumed after an even, it could not happen in 18 months it would seem??? I am 81 now and don’t expect I will be walking the earth in 18 years in this body. The other thing I was shown was of the earth recovering from what mankind is doing to it, and wow, this is already happening. Plus, I saw leaders and the elite succumbing to something, not there in many cases, men of good standing being in their place. So not so gloomy, all is well in the end.

originally posted by: Kenzo
a reply to: Bhadhidar

There is no need for vaccine for covid-19 , the remedys are allready there but the MSM lame media dont say a word about them as they are not for truth .

The key is zinc + ionophore , and 2 natural ionophore are quercetin and epigallocatechin-gallate (EGCG found in green tea)

Also needed : Zinc + Niacin + Selenium

Natural antibiotic such as cinnamon extract or oil of oregano or just have doctor prescription antibiotic

Zinc alone is not working to covid-19, it need`s ionophore to get it inside cell .


Add Vitamin C & D and there you have it . Bromelain also very good all purpose remedy and would be good to use ( to empty stomach ) . Colloidal silver to help antibiotic effect .



Vitamin C , as either oral ascorbic acid, liposomal or IV .


Vitamin D starting from having covid-19 symptoms first 4 days up to 50000 IU /day with fat .



I am not sure thought about how much EMF radiation is causing New York cases, the "Altitude sickness" symptoms with low oxygen could be from EMF effecting blood iron .


How to Improve Zinc Uptake to Boost Immune Health

I think that you are hugely wrong. Does this work for HIV as well?

originally posted by: sailormon
LOL, just dropped in here and noticed almost 10,000 posts gone by since I gave up on this site have gone by. I have been researching elsewhere regarding this virus because, being connected in some way to the other side, my wife and I saw this several years ago and feel we are now living in a sci fi novel. I may make a thread of this, but the short of it is, we saw an event, she separate from myself of seeing the land devoid of so many people due to an event. Folks were happy but living in small communities. She saw homes with no one living in them any longer, but in some food was hoarded and left there, she wondered if they died or just went away. This is happening now. We saw the same things. I also saw us returning to my village up north and saw the village shut down completely, it was spooky and now it too is coming to pass in the present which gives me wonderment that the rest may come about.

To make my dreams/visions come to pass was aptly described here in this post and is what I feel may be happening, only herd ammunity and when done, the herd will be greatly reduced, much like wildlife. I was told the number 17 or 18, years I assumed after an even, it could not happen in 18 months it would seem??? I am 81 now and don’t expect I will be walking the earth in 18 years in this body. The other thing I was shown was of the earth recovering from what mankind is doing to it, and wow, this is already happening. Plus, I saw leaders and the elite succumbing to something, not there in many cases, men of good standing being in their place. So not so gloomy, all is well in the end.

All is well, except that most of us are dead?