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Another thread claiming they found the source of COVID-19 yet better than most

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posted on Apr, 4 2020 @ 02:39 AM
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A good article and video claiming they have connected more dots and can trace the Virus back to the ....WAIT FOR IT... Bio-hazard lab at Wuhan.. Nothing new as far as people thinking a guesstimating that is where the virus escaped from. Anyway I thought it was interesting and maybe some of you will too.

Actual title is: "I Found The Source Of COVID-19..."




"After living and working in China for over 10 years and speaking fluent Chinese, you get to know a society pretty well... and let me tell you this - if you're applauding or admiring the political leadership of China, you're all deluded beyond belief."

That is how "laowhy86" begins this succinct video exploring the 'facts' - not conspiracies - behind the source of the coronavirus that is ravaging the earth.

"China doesn't operate like 'your' country," he warns, "the Chinese government is a face- and greed-driven government that relies on lies and bullying to maintain leadership."

Furthermore, he notes, the Chinese government layers are "broken and fragile" and so it didn't surprise him when he was able to follow breadcrumbs - as begun by our inquisition about the roles that certain individuals played in Wuhan - to discover the "very suspicious" fact that the Wuhan Bio lab had a job opening from November 18, 2019, asking for scientists to come and research the relationship between the coronavirus and bats.

However, after ZeroHedge was permanently suspended from Twitter for daring to suggest anything but the official narrative handed down, laowhy86 notes that another job opening appeared on December 24th (remember this is before any news broke of the virus publicly), which basically says 'we've discovered a new and terrible virus and would like to recruit people to come deal with it'...

www.zerohedge.com...

See full article for more, or just listen to the video youtu.be...




posted on Apr, 4 2020 @ 02:59 AM
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www.zerohedge.com...


Residents in Wuhan, the origin of the coronavirus outbreak, have told reporters that “nobody believes the official numbers” being touted by the communist Chinese government, and that the general consensus is it could be 100 times worse than the world is being told.

While Whuan is reopening its transport systems and businesses, residents are adamant that they have not been informed of the true scale of the situation, according to Spanish newswire service EFE.

“There are suspicions that many people died in their homes without being diagnosed and, at first, there were no kits to do the test,” one resident said, adding that “Many people would die, officially, of a cold or some other disease. But there are stories going around of citizens who were made to sign death certificates of relatives without any other explanation.”



posted on Apr, 4 2020 @ 03:15 AM
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a reply to: 727Sky

Your country ?

Our country , 'your country ' too , was run by zoosadist molesters for years and years. Who was Epstein ?
Resulting in forces full of pedo piggies selected and groomed to let them get away with it , with being grievous murdering molesters .

What a naive statement , 'your country'.

This country's inspector Gower , and pcs Hanley , Bonter , and Bellew were told of a (novel ) disease off a biocrime, bang on the date of patient zero. Since they're all 3 pedo piggies protecting their masters ' methods they covered it up, denied it, threatened some vets and the whole thing caused another fight that ended in the zoosadist paying a shed load of money , like 11 million quid wasn't it Saatchi , to quash the problem of it being reported.


It's their fault the UK's ex establishment , europeds to boot. The f Catholics too. The podestaphiles of the world .
Your country indeed , it's a rubbish video grasping at straws , and bats too . No legitimate conclusive evidence whatsoever . Bats and snakes indeed , coronavirus is a mammalian zoonotic . Cows dogs rabbits cats , just as likely .


(post by DoctorBluechip removed for a serious terms and conditions violation)

posted on Apr, 4 2020 @ 05:19 AM
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The Chinese government and military is a prime example of a miserable, archaic communist/socialist regime.
Xi is like the emperor who has no clothes on and everyone is afraid to him so. This whole “dear leader “ concept is pathetic and backwards.

The Chinese people are amazing, strong resilient people that have been pushed to the breaking point with the leak of this weaponized virus from the bio weapons facility in Wuhan,
The Chinese people with the help of the free world need to rise up and crush this dangerous backward regime once and for all.
The free world needs to help them move in to the 21st century.

Xi and the CCP and PLA must be held accountable for this crime against humanity!



posted on Apr, 4 2020 @ 06:14 AM
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originally posted by: 727Sky "the Chinese government is a face- and greed-driven government that relies on lies and bullying to maintain leadership."


Which country’s government isn’t?



posted on Apr, 4 2020 @ 06:17 AM
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Do excuse me, damn that predictive text ! ?Yesterday pushing the delete button this device was reprinting into search bar instead ? And how does you post pictures ?



posted on Apr, 4 2020 @ 06:27 AM
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The answer would be governments that don’t have forced slave labor and cult of personality Dear leaders that are in charge for their entire life until they die.


reply to: McGinty



posted on Apr, 4 2020 @ 07:14 AM
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a reply to: 727Sky


That is how "laowhy86" begins this succinct video exploring the 'facts' - not conspiracies - behind the source of the coronavirus that is ravaging the earth.


These guys have explored the facts - not conspiracies - behind the source by looking at the actual virus , they disagree with "laowhy86" because of evidence not job listings.

The scientists found that the RBD portion of the SARS-CoV-2 spike proteins had evolved to effectively target a molecular feature on the outside of human cells called ACE2, a receptor involved in regulating blood pressure. The SARS-CoV-2 spike protein was so effective at binding the human cells, in fact, that the scientists concluded it was the result of natural selection and not the product of genetic engineering.

This evidence for natural evolution was supported by data on SARS-CoV-2's backbone -- its overall molecular structure. If someone were seeking to engineer a new coronavirus as a pathogen, they would have constructed it from the backbone of a virus known to cause illness. But the scientists found that the SARS-CoV-2 backbone differed substantially from those of already known coronaviruses and mostly resembled related viruses found in bats and pangolins.

"These two features of the virus, the mutations in the RBD portion of the spike protein and its distinct backbone, rules out laboratory manipulation as a potential origin for SARS-CoV-2" said Andersen.
www.sciencedaily.com...

The balance of probability suggests their conclusion is likely more accurate than the one "laowhy86" has come up with.
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posted on Apr, 4 2020 @ 07:18 AM
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a reply to: 727Sky

Welp, thats obvious.

When do we start charging China for our stimulus checks and loss income? I heard a US lawyer sued the CCP for 2 trillion.

If they dont pay, do we bomb them? No. I say we just nullify the debt they own. Call it even.

Really I want to kick CCP ass and erase that lab off the map.

Blood for blood.

edit on 4-4-2020 by HelloboysImbackguy because: (no reason given)



posted on Apr, 4 2020 @ 07:29 AM
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My sentiments exactly!!

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a reply to: HelloboysImbackguy



posted on Apr, 4 2020 @ 07:31 AM
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“Those guys”are paid shills for the Chinese government
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reply to: gortex



posted on Apr, 4 2020 @ 07:52 AM
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a reply to: choomsuba

Lets consider the facts. Im weird and read the reports and studies too. Lets try to use reason and facts.

This Virus is 8 to 10 times slower mutating than an influenza virus. Its very genetically stable.

That means its traits have been reinforced and are part of the unchanging code it replicates.

Ok, the first strain and the later ones, are just as contagious.

A virus usually loses its mortality in favor of greater propogation by natural selection.

This virus did not. Which means it had its slow and very long run mutating to get such particular traits in some host population to successfully reinforce those traits that nature stomps out through natural selection.

This Virus is similar to other chimeric viruses like it that were only seen in lab settings.

This virus can already infect secondary host species like Palm Civets like we saw with SARS.

The ACE2 spiked receptor is present in these reservoir host pools of animals and humans that were infected early on.

That means that the intermediary hosts didnt contribute to the development of the Ace2 spike after tweaking bat related proteins. No. That happened before both humans and secondary hosts were infected as the evidence is showing.

The data actually supports 3 models for development and original propagation at the same time.

Directly from bats to secondary hosts and then to humans.

Directly from bats to humans AND secondary hosts simultaneously

And from bats to humans, then secondary hosts.

The fact that there is data to support all 3 models could be signs of multiple avenues of lab enrichment in which the slowly mutating Virus is artificially ran through many generations of development in order to reinforce desired traits as they develop with the appropriate genetic triggers.

The data supports , recombination, mutation and natural selection.




RESEARCH ARTICLE
MICROBIOLOGY
On the origin and continuing evolution of SARS-CoV-2

ABSTRACT
The SARS-CoV-2 epidemic started in late December 2019 in Wuhan, China, and has since
impacted a large portion of China and raised major global concern. Herein, we investigated
the extent of molecular divergence between SARS-CoV-2 and other related coronaviruses.
Although we found only 4% variability in genomic nucleotides between SARS-CoV-2 and a bat SARS-related coronavirus (SARSr-CoV; RaTG13), the difference at neutral sites was 17%, suggesting the divergence between the two viruses is much larger than previously estimated.

Our results suggest that the development of new variations in functional sites in the receptor-binding domain (RBD) of the spike seen in SARS-CoV-2 and viruses from pangolin SARSr-CoVs are likely caused by mutations and natural selection besides recombination.

Population genetic analyses of 103 SARS-CoV-2 genomes indicated that these viruses evolved into two major types (designated L and S), that are well defined by two different SNPs that show nearly complete linkage across the viral strains sequenced to date.

Although the L type (~70%) is more prevalent than the S type (~30%), the S type was found to be the ancestral version. Whereas the L type was more prevalent in the early stages of the outbreak in Wuhan, the frequency of the L type decreased after early January 2020.

Human intervention may have placed more severe selective pressure on the L type, which might be
more aggressive and spread more quickly. On the other hand, the S type, which is evolutionarily older and less aggressive, might have increased in relative frequency due to relatively weaker selective pressure.

These findings strongly support an urgent need for
further immediate, comprehensive studies that combine genomic data, epidemiological data,
and chart records of the clinical symptoms of patients with coronavirus disease 2019
(COVID-19).

Keywords: SARS-CoV-2, virus, molecular evolution, population genetics


Oxford university press

Pdf download



Coronavirus strains are maintained in quasi-species pools circulating in bat populations. (a,b) Traditional SARS-CoV emergence theories posit that host-range mutants (red circle) represent random and rare occurrences that permit infection of alternative hosts.

The secondary-host paradigm (a) argues that a nonhuman host is infected by a bat progenitor virus and, through adaptation, facilitates transmission to humans; subsequent replication in humans leads to the epidemic viral strain.

The direct paradigm (b) suggests that transmission occurs between bats and humans without the requirement of an intermediate host; selection then occurs in the human population with closely related viruses replicating in a secondary host, permitting continued viral persistence and adaptation in both.

(c) The data from chimeric SARS-like viruses argue that the quasi-species pools maintain multiple viruses capable of infecting human cells without the need for mutations (red circles). Although adaptations in secondary or human hosts may be required for epidemic emergence, if SHC014 spike–containing viruses recombined with virulent CoV backbones (circles with green outlines), then epidemic disease may be the result in humans. Existing data support elements of all three paradigms.


www.nature.com...

The smoking gun is that there is no evidence in the wild of this Viruses incremental changes. Nothing.

Thats not possible. Such a drastic change from wild viruses that were studied and determined to be VERY far from developing a mechanism for Human infection to THIS is insane.

It targets predominantly male populations with most severe cases. Is programmed to hide in other tissues not limited to the respiratory system it supposedly evolved to target.

Of the 8 major strains and 2 types of strains we see world wide, China stomped out the original strain where that is one we see the most elsewhere. The US west coast strain is only 3 mutations away from the original Wuhan strain. How did they do that? If they didnt and its still there just not being tested for, fair enough.

If they did actually stomp it out while the world didnt....how did they do that? Did they have a vaccine for that one strain but couldn't develop one for the slight variations of it as it spread?

That was one of the problems that researchers faced when making these viruses for treatment. They coudnt get a consistent treatment for them.

Development of vaccines required such absurdly high doses to fight the virus that test subjects (mice) had to get sick from the vaccine at those high doses just to slow the actual test viruses progress. It was so useless that they didnt continue seeking treatment by synthesizing a vaccine...so they issued a warning in 2016 when other treatments also failed to beat the lab made viruses.

Which is why we are freaking out. We are waiting on a vaccine that our best people already tried to make for a few years already.

Our leaders are old. They are scared of us dirty people getting them sick. If this killed babies instead we would not even be in lockdown.


edit on 4-4-2020 by HelloboysImbackguy because: (no reason given)



posted on Apr, 4 2020 @ 07:54 AM
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a reply to: choomsuba




“Those guys”are paid shills for the Chinese government

Of course they are dear , of course they are.



posted on Apr, 4 2020 @ 08:19 AM
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originally posted by: choomsuba
The answer would be governments that don’t have forced slave labor and cult of personality Dear leaders that are in charge for their entire life until they die.


reply to: McGinty


Again, they all do it!

Some explicitly, some implicitly. Which of those is the more corrosive technique is debatable.



posted on Apr, 4 2020 @ 08:32 AM
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originally posted by: HelloboysImbackguy
a reply to: choomsuba

Lets consider the facts. Im weird and read the reports and studies too. Lets try to use reason and facts.

This Virus is 8 to 10 times slower mutating than an influenza virus. Its very genetically stable.

That means its traits have been reinforced and are part of the unchanging code it replicates.



What's the difference between this virus and Measles, Mumps, Polio or Rubella? As far as I know they haven't changed in decades, the same vaccines are used for them now that were when they were first being fought.



posted on Apr, 4 2020 @ 08:41 AM
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a reply to: HalWesten

This virus seems to be paired with another virus like is done in a lab setting where you have an effective treatment method for one Virus but not another...so you add your treatable virus to the not so treatable one...to make a treatment for the one or learn how to based off the hybrid you made.

Sometimes you can make a virus this way that you can not treat for any number of reasons and it must be destroyed...not "lost" in Canada out of the Bill Gates foundation and delivered to Wuhan weapons labs.....hence why its highly illegal to even research this stuff without registering ALL you are doing.

Thats the reason for lab protocol because if you are tweaking nature and it gets out in the wild, you could have just made a new neighbor on planet earth...forevermore.

This is research IMO, that someone messed up on and cant come clean since the original research they only partially stole is useless on the 7 other major strains.

Again, my opinion alone:
It was medical research that became untreatable and was supposed to be destroyed...but someone saw potential for weapons research...so they stole it and it mutated beyond the vaccine they thought would work. They probably didnt fully understand that the progress the vaccine had was minimal and not an actual effective treatment for this Virus. None of the vaccines ever really worked on these particular types of lab made viruses.


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posted on Apr, 4 2020 @ 09:06 AM
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originally posted by: gortex
a reply to: choomsuba




“Those guys”are paid shills for the Chinese government

Of course they are dear , of course they are.


Whether in this particular case or not, it is gross naivete to underestimate who and what has been influenced by the CCP Ministry of Propaganda (yeah, that's its name). You only have to watch the WHO interview with the reporter where they four times in a row refuse to acknowledge that Taiwan is even an entity, much less having success.

Those who side with the CCP through this will stand alone at the end with massive regret. This is not the time to "win" arguments for some kind of reputation. This is a simple choice that has everlasting impacts. I can't say much more than that.
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posted on Apr, 4 2020 @ 09:38 AM
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originally posted by: HelloboysImbackguy
a reply to: 727Sky

Welp, thats obvious.

When do we start charging China for our stimulus checks and loss income? I heard a US lawyer sued the CCP for 2 trillion.

If they dont pay, do we bomb them? No. I say we just nullify the debt they own. Call it even.

Really I want to kick CCP ass and erase that lab off the map.

Blood for blood.


Do you know who owned the Wu-Han Facility?

Viruses are "dead" you cant "catch them".
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posted on Apr, 4 2020 @ 09:52 AM
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a reply to: one4all

What?

Yes this one is /RNA based and surrounded by protein structures and a lipid fat layer.

The lab? Who owns everything in China?


Added-
This is the ONEHEALTH cross species vaccine research. You or anyone cant just tell me different. Prove it. Im following.

Mosquitoes...Rift Valley Fever...and....

More:

Clinical features in humans

Mild form of RVF in humans

The following are clinical features of the mild form of RVF in humans:

The incubation period (the interval from infection to onset of symptoms) for RVF varies from 2 to 6 days.

Those infected either experience no detectable symptoms or develop a mild form of the disease characterized by a feverish syndrome with sudden onset of flu-like fever, muscle pain, joint pain and headache. Some patients develop neck stiffness, sensitivity to light, loss of appetite and vomiting; in these patients the disease, in its early stages, may be mistaken for meningitis.

The symptoms of RVF usually last from 4 to 7 days, after which time the immune response becomes detectable with the appearance of antibodies and the virus disappears from the blood



www.who.int...

Sound familiar? Is this the actual backbone to the CCP Virus?
We know no one gave it to them, but someone of us messed up and then someone of them messed up.

And destiny we forge has us here at fates door.


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