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Originally posted by KyleChemist
As I have said all along. Its not the plane, its the pilot. I'd bet an expierenced F-4 crew from back in the day could beat a young stud in anything flying today, be it Mig-29, F/A-22, or Su-35.
de Havilland Mosquito
Originally posted by Kyle325is
While it's true that the F-15 hasn't faced an aircraft that rivals it's capabilities, isn't that exactly the point, in naming "the most capable fighter aircraft?"
Originally posted by Kyle325is
It feels like you find fault with my post probably because you don't like the aircraft. Well believe me, I dislike, and probably have more personal reasons to dislike the F-15 than anyone on these forums.
[edit on 12-3-2005 by Kyle325is]
Originally posted by Wagovan
I'd say the X-22...
In fights between it and Iraqi personnel, the X-22 won every time. Probably because the Iraqis didn't know it was there and ended up as burn marks on the ground...
Just a thought.
Originally posted by warpboost
US Stealth (F117, B2 & who knows what else) vs. the world's radar systems
Originally posted by GrOuNd_ZeRo
Yeah, the F-15 is definitly a capable aircraft, but I personally prefer the F/A-18E...Rememeber that the F-15 has a huge RCS
Not too sure about the phantom. Ritchie said in an interview that it took an experienced F-4 crew not to get shot down by an inexperienced Mig pilot, and that if he were flying the Mig 21 he could have easily had five plus Phantom kills per mission based on the Mig's superiority alone.
Originally posted by KyleChemist
You are right during the early stages of Vietnam, the F-4s got waxed by Mig 17s and Mig 21s. However, once the Air Force got its act together, starting training real fighter jocks instead of missle junkies, the advantage went back to the Phantom. During the later stages of the war, I'm not sure what the kill raitio was, but it was heavily in the Phantoms favor.
Keep in mind, when the F-15s first came on-line, they ROUTINELY got killed in exercises by well trained, expierenced F-106 pilots. Anyboy who served in the Air Force at the time can verify this. Even look as far back as the Luftwaffe during the WWII, it was lack of WELL TRAINED PILOTS that brought them down, not lack of aircraft.
How do ya like them apples!!
So yes, I agree about pilot skill trumping technology. Even now, there's a group of old guys who routinely smoke F-15s and F-16s in military training exercises while flying the old A-4 Skyhawks.
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I think this we are getting away from the topic I indended. I was hoping to find ACTUAL instances and statistics. So newer, untested or even older planes that never saw combat really cant be included