It looks like you're using an Ad Blocker.

Please white-list or disable AboveTopSecret.com in your ad-blocking tool.

Thank you.

 

Some features of ATS will be disabled while you continue to use an ad-blocker.

 

Most Capable Fighter Aircraft Ever Produced

page: 5
0
<< 2  3  4   >>

log in

join
share:

posted on Jun, 3 2011 @ 04:02 PM
link   

Originally posted by Templarum

Originally posted by KyleChemist
As I have said all along. Its not the plane, its the pilot. I'd bet an expierenced F-4 crew from back in the day could beat a young stud in anything flying today, be it Mig-29, F/A-22, or Su-35.


Not too sure about the phantom. Ritchie said in an interview that it took an experienced F-4 crew not to get shot down by an inexperienced Mig pilot, and that if he were flying the Mig 21 he could have easily had five plus Phantom kills per mission based on the Mig's superiority alone.


Here is the kill vs losses ratio between F-4 and MiG-21


F-4 vs MiG-21 : 1.68:1



MiG-21 vs F-4 kills : 89


5.10.1966 MiG-21 (Vietnam) - 1 x F-4C (USAF)
9.10.1966 MiG-21 (Vietnam) - 1 x F-4B (USN)
23.08.1967 MiG-21 (Vietnam) - 2 x F-4D (USAF)
8.11.1967 MiG-21 (Vietnam) - 1 x F-4D (USAF)
17.12.1967 MiG-21PF (Vietnam) - 1 x F-4C (USAF)
18.01.1968 MiG-21 (Vietnam) - 2 x F-4D (USAF)
12.02.1968 MiG-21 (Vietnam) - 1 x F-4B (USN)
23.02.1968 MiG-21 (Vietnam) - 1 x F-4D (USAF)
7.05.1968 MiG-21 (Vietnam) - 1 x F-4B (USN)
16.06.1968 MiG-21 (Vietnam) - 1 x F-4J (USN)
6.12.1969 MiG-21F-13 (Egypt) - 1 x F-4E (Israel)
8.02.1970 MiG-21PFS (Egypt) - 1 x F-4E (Israel)
2.04.1970 MiG-21PFM (Syria) - 1 x F-4E (Israel)
18.12.1971 MiG-21PFM (Vietnam) - 2 x F-4D (USAF)
27.04.1972 MiG-21 (Vietnam) - 1 x F-4B (USN)
10.05.1972 MiG-21 (Vietnam) - 1 x F-4J (USN)
10.05.1972 MiG-21PFM (Vietnam) - 2 x F-4B (USN)
11.05.1972 MiG-21 (Vietnam) - 1 x F-4D (USAF)
20.05.1972 MiG-21 (Vietnam) - 1 x F-4D (USAF)
13.06.1972 MiG-21 (Vietnam) - 1 x F-4E (USAF)
21.06.1972 MiG-21MF (Vietnam) - 1 x F-4E (USAF)
23.06.1972 MiG-21MF (Vietnam) - 1 x F-4D (USAF)
24.06.1972 MiG-21 (Vietnam) - 1 x F-4D (USAF)
- 1 x F-4E (USAF)
27.06.1972 MiG-21MF (Vietnam) - 3 x F-4E (USAF)
5.07.1972 MiG-21 (Vietnam) - 2 x F-4E (USAF)
8.07.1972 MiG-21 (Vietnam) - 1 x F-4E (USAF)
24.07.1972 MiG-21 (Vietnam) - 1 x F-4E (USAF)
29.07.1972 MiG-21MF (Vietnam) - 1 x F-4E (USAF)
30.07.1972 MiG-21MF (Vietnam) - 1 x F-4D (USAF)
26.08.1972 MiG-21 (Vietnam) - 1 x F-4J (USMC)
11.09.1972 MiG-21 (Vietnam) - 1 x F-4B (USN)
- 1 x F-4E (USAF)
12.09.1972 MiG-21 (Vietnam) - 1 x F-4E (USAF)
1.10.1972 MiG-21 (Vietnam) - 1 x F-4D (USAF)
5.10.1972 MiG-21 (Vietnam) - 1 x F-4D (USAF)
6.10.1972 MiG-21 (Vietnam) - 1 x F-4E (USAF)
12.10.1972 MiG-21 (Vietnam) - 1 x F-4E (USAF)
26.12.1972 MiG-21 (Vietnam) - 1 x F-4E (USAF)
27.12.1972 MiG-21 (Vietnam) - 2 x F-4E (USAF)
7.10.1973 MiG-21MF (Syria) - 1 x F-4E (Israel)
7.10.1973 MiG-21FL (Syria) - 1 x F-4E (Israel)
7.10.1973 MiG-21MF (Egypt) - 2 x F-4E (Israel)
8.10.1973 MiG-21FL (Syria) - 3 x F-4E (Israel)
8.10.1973 MiG-21MF (Syria) - 1 x RF-4E (Israel)
9.10.1973 MiG-21FL (Syria) - 2 x F-4E (Israel)
11.10.1973 MiG-21MF (Egypt) - 2 x F-4E (Israel)
14.10.1973 MiG-21MF (Egypt) - 4 x F-4E (Israel)
16.10.1973 MiG-21FL (Syria) - 1 x F-4E (Israel)
16.10.1973 MiG-21 (Egypt) - 1 x F-4E (Israel)
17.10.1973 MiG-21FL (Syria) - 2 x F-4E (Israel)
18.10.1973 MiG-21MF (Egypt) - 1 x F-4E (Israel)
20.10.1973 MiG-21MF (Syria) - 1 x F-4E (Israel)
21.10.1973 MiG-21MF (Syria) - 1 x F-4E (Israel)
21.10.1973 MiG-21FL (Egypt) - 1 x F-4E (Israel)
23.10.1973 MiG-21F-13 (Egypt) - 1 x F-4E (Israel)
23.10.1973 MiG-21MF (Egypt) - 1 x F-4E (Israel)
28.11.1973 MiG-21SMT (Russia) - 1 x RF-4E (Iran)
19.04.1974 MiG-21MF (Syria) - 1 x F-4E (Israel)
8.09.1980 MiG-21MF (Irak) - 1 x F-4E (Iran)
25.09.1980 MiG-21MF (Irak) - 1 x RF-4E (Iran)
8.10.1980 MiG-21MF (Irak) - 1 x F-4D (Iran)
9.10.1980 MiG-21MF (Irak) - 1 x F-4D (Iran)
19.10.1980 MiG-21MF (Irak) - 1 x F-4E (Iran)
12.1980 MiG-21bis (Irak) - 2 x F-4E (Iran)
18.01.1981 MiG-21 (Irak) - 1 x F-4E (Iran)
05.1981 MiG-21MF (Irak) - 2 x F-4E (Iran)
7.05.1981 MiG-21MF (Irak) - 1 x F-4E (Iran)
10.06.1982 MiG-21bis (Syria) - 1 x F-4E (Israel)
10.1982 MiG-21MF (Irak) - 1 x F-4E (Iran)



F-4 vs MiG-21 kills : 150


26.04.1966 F-4C (USAF) - 1 x MiG-21 (Vietnam)
14.07.1966 F-4C (USAF) - 2 x MiG-21 (Vietnam)
5.11.1966 F-4C (USAF) - 2 x MiG-21 (Vietnam)
2.01.1967 F-4C (USAF) - 7 x MiG-21 (Vietnam)
6.01.1967 F-4C (USAF) - 2 x MiG-21 (Vietnam)
23.04.1967 F-4C (USAF) - 1 x MiG-21 (Vietnam)
26.04.1967 F-4C (USAF) - 1 x MiG-21 (Vietnam)
4.05.1967 F-4C (USAF) - 1 x MiG-21 (Vietnam)
20.05.1967 F-4C (USAF) - 2 x MiG-21 (Vietnam)
22.05.1967 F-4C (USAF) - 2 x MiG-21 (Vietnam)
10.08.1967 F-4B (USN) - 2 x MiG-21 (Vietnam)
24.10.1967 F-4D (USAF) - 2 x MiG-21 (Vietnam)
26.10.1967 F-4D (USAF) - 1 x MiG-21 (Vietnam)
26.10.1967 F-4B (USN) - 1 x MiG-21 (Vietnam)
5.02.1968 F-4D (USAF) - 1 x MiG-21 (Vietnam)
6.02.1968 F-4D (USAF) - 1 x MiG-21 (Vietnam)
12.02.1968 F-4D (USAF) - 1 x MiG-21 (Vietnam)
9.05.1968 F-4B (USN) - 2 x MiG-21 (Vietnam)
16.06.1968 F-4B (USN) - 1 x MiG-21 (Vietnam)
10.07.1968 F-4J (USN) - 1 x MiG-21 (Vietnam)
11.09.1969 F-4E (Israel) - 1 x MiG-21 (Egypt)
11.11.1969 F-4E (Israel) - 1 x MiG-21 (Egypt)
1970 F-4E (Israel) - 1 x MiG-21 (Egypt)
- 1 x MiG-21 (Syria)
8.02.1970 F-4E (Israel) - 2 x MiG-21 (Egypt)
6.03.1970 F-4E (Israel) - 2 x MiG-21 (Egypt)
28.03.1970 F-4J (USN) - 1 x MiG-21 (Vietnam)
30.07.1970 F-4E (Israel) - 2 x MiG-21MF (Russia)
1971 F-4E (Israel) - 1 x MiG-21 (Egypt)
19.01.1972 F-4J (USN) - 1 x MiG-21 (Vietnam)
21.02.1972 F-4D (USAF) - 1 x MiG-21 (Vietnam)
1.03.1972 F-4D (USAF) - 1 x MiG-21 (Vietnam)
30.03.1972 F-4D (USAF) - 1 x MiG-21 (Vietnam)
16.04.1972 F-4D (USAF) - 3 x MiG-21 (Vietnam)
6.05.1972 F-4J (USN) - 2 x MiG-21 (Vietnam)
8.05.1972 F-4D (USAF) - 1 x MiG-21 (Vietnam)
10.05.1972 F-4J (USN) - 1 x MiG-21 (Vietnam)
10.05.1972 F-4D (USAF) - 1 x MiG-21 (Vietnam)
11.05.1972 F-4D (USAF) - 1 x MiG-21 (Vietnam)
23.05.1972 F-4E (USAF) - 1 x MiG-21 (Vietnam)
31.05.1972 F-4D (USAF) - 1 x MiG-21 (Vietnam)
31.05.1972 F-4E (USAF) - 1 x MiG-21 (Vietnam)
13.06.1972 F-4E (Israel) - 1 x MiG-21 (Egypt)
21.06.1972 F-4J (USN) - 1 x MiG-21 (Vietnam)
21.06.1972 F-4E (USAF) - 1 x MiG-21 (Vietnam)
8.07.1972 F-4E (USAF) - 3 x MiG-21 (Vietnam)
18.07.1972 F-4E (USAF) - 1 x MiG-21 (Vietnam)
29.07.1972 F-4D (USAF) - 1 x MiG-21 (Vietnam)
29.07.1972 F-4E (USAF) - 1 x MiG-21 (Vietnam)
10.08.1972 F-4J (USN) - 1 x MiG-21 (Vietnam)
12.08.1972 F-4E (USAF) - 1 x MiG-21 (Vietnam)
15.08.1972 F-4E (USAF) - 1 x MiG-21 (Vietnam)
19.08.1972 F-4E (USAF) - 1 x MiG-21 (Vietnam)
28.08.1972 F-4D (USAF) - 1 x MiG-21 (Vietnam)
9.09.1972 F-4D (USAF) - 1 x MiG-21 (Vietnam)
11.09.1972 F-4J (USMC) - 1 x MiG-21US (Vietnam)
12.09.1972 F-4D (USAF) - 1 x MiG-21 (Vietnam)
12.09.1972 F-4E (USAF) - 2 x MiG-21 (Vietnam)
16.09.1972 F-4E (USAF) - 1 x MiG-21 (Vietnam)
5.10.1972 F-4E (USAF) - 1 x MiG-21 (Vietnam)
6.10.1972 F-4E (USAF) - 1 x MiG-21 (Vietnam)
8.10.1972 F-4E (USAF) - 1 x MiG-21 (Vietnam)
12.10.1972 F-4D (USAF) - 1 x MiG-21 (Vietnam)
13.10.1972 F-4D (USAF) - 1 x MiG-21 (Vietnam)
15.10.1972 F-4D (USAF) - 1 x MiG-21 (Vietnam)
15.10.1972 F-4E (USAF) - 2 x MiG-21 (Vietnam)
21.11.1972 F-4E (Israel) - 2 x MiG-21 (Syria)
18.12.1972 F-4E (USAF) - 1 x MiG-21 (Vietnam)
21.12.1972 F-4D (USAF) - 1 x MiG-21 (Vietnam)
22.12.1972 F-4E (USAF) - 1 x MiG-21 (Vietnam)
28.12.1972 F-4D (USAF) - 1 x MiG-21 (Vietnam)
28.12.1972 F-4J (USN) - 1 x MiG-21 (Vietnam)
7.01.1973 F-4D (USAF) - 1 x MiG-21 (Vietnam)
8.01.1973 RF-4E (Israel) - 2 x MiG-21 (Egypt)
13.09.1973 F-4E (Israel) - 7 x MiG-21 (Syria)
7.10.1973 F-4E (Israel) - 1 x MiG-21 (Syria)
- 2 x MiG-21 (Egypt)
8.10.1973 F-4E (Israel) - 1 x MiG-21 (Egypt)
9.10.1973 F-4E (Israel) - 1 x MiG-21 (Syria)
10.10.1973 F-4E (Israel) - 2 x MiG-21 (Syria)
- 1 x MiG-21 (Egypt)
11.10.1973 F-4E (Israel) - 1 x MiG-21 (Egypt)
13.10.1973 F-4E (Israel) - 3 x MiG-21 (Egypt)
- 2 x MiG-21PF (Irak)
14.10.1973 F-4E (Israel) - 3 x MiG-21MF (Egypt)
15.10.1973 F-4E (Israel) - 1 x MiG-21 (Egypt)
17.10.1973 F-4E (Israel) - 3 x MiG-21 (Syria)
21.10.1973 F-4E (Israel) - 1 x MiG-21 (Egypt)
- 1 x MiG-21 (Syria)
23.10.1973 F-4E (Israel) - 4 x MiG-21 (Syria)
29.04.1974 F-4E (Israel) - 4 x MiG-21 (Syria)
25.04.1981 F-4E (Iran) - 1 x MiG-21MF (Irak)
26.04.1981 F-4E (Iran) - 1 x MiG-21MF (Irak)
15.05.1981 F-4E (Iran) - 1 x MiG-21MF (Irak)
22.09.1981 F-4E (Iran) - 1 x MiG-21MF (Irak)
19.03.1982 F-4E (Iran) - 1 x MiG-21MF (Irak)
4.04.1982 F-4E (Iran) - 1 x MiG-21MF (Irak)
10.06.1982 F-4E (Israel) - 1 x MiG-21 (Syria)
16.07.1982 F-4E (Iran) - 1 x MiG-21MF (Irak)
15.09.1982 F-4E (Iran) - 1 x MiG-21MF (Irak)
16.11.1982 F-4E (Iran) - 1 x MiG-21MF (Irak)
19.04.1985 F-4E (Iran) - 1 x MiG-21MF (Irak)




posted on Jun, 3 2011 @ 04:14 PM
link   

Originally posted by GrOuNd_ZeRo
Yeah, the F-15 is definitly a capable aircraft, but I personally prefer the F/A-18E...

Rememeber that the F-15 has a huge RCS


Well, everyone knows the TR-3B is the best and most capable aircraft ever! it abducted Saddam during the gulf war and anal probed him, controlled the minds of all those iraqi's to have an orgy with each other, and ofcourse blasted HUNDREDS of Iraqi T-72s with it's Photon Torpedo's and it's Phasers
j/k

Most capable aircraft,
hmmmm.....I might actually go with the F/A-18E/F/G Super Hornet/Grolwer since it has so much roles it can do I.E. CAP, SEAD, ground attack, Electronic Warfare just to name a few...


A comparison between F-15 and F/A-18



1) maximum speed

F-15C Eagle 2698 km/h
F-15E Strike Eagle 2698 km/h
F/A-18C Hornet 1915 km/h
F/A-18E Super Hornet 1915 km/h


2) rate of climb

F-15C Eagle 17500 m/min
F-15E Strike Eagle 16000 m/min
F/A-18E Super Hornet 15000 m/min
F/A-18C Hornet 13725 m/min


3) ceiling

F-15C Eagle 20000 m
F-15E Strike Eagle 18200 m
F/A-18C Hornet 15250 m
F/A-18E Super Hornet 15250 m


4) engine thrust

F-15C Eagle 258 kN
F-15E Strike Eagle 258 kN
F/A-18E Super Hornet 195.72 kN
F/A-18C Hornet 158.4 kN


5A) weapons payload

F-15E Strike Eagle 11000 kg
F/A-18E Super Hornet 8050 kg
F-15C Eagle 7300 kg
F/A-18C Hornet 7031 kg


5B) cannon internal rounds

F-15C Eagle 940 (20 mm)
F-15E Strike Eagle 940 (20 mm)
F/A-18C Hornet 578 (20 mm)
F/A-18E Super Hornet 578 (20 mm)


6) maximum range

F-15C Eagle 5745 km
F-15E Strike Eagle 3900 km
F/A-18C Hornet 3300 km
F/A-18E Super Hornet 3300 km


7) G limit

F-15 Eagle +9g / -3.5g
F/A-18 Hornet +7.5G / -3 g


8) price

F-15K Strike Eagle 100 mil USD
F/A-18E Super Hornet 57 mil USD
F/A-18C Hornet 35 mil USD
F-15E Strike Eagle 31.1 mil USD
F-15C Eagle 29.9 mil USD


9) aircraft built

F/A-18 Hornet 1480
F-15 Eagle 1198
F/A-18 Super Hornet 400
F-15 Strike Eagle 334



posted on Jun, 3 2011 @ 04:47 PM
link   
reply to post by W4rl0rD
 


The Fishbeds are lesser aircraft to the latter century designs because once we know the flight envelope we figure out how to kill it.
MIG21 has a step cockpit canopy,the pilot has a limited visual capacity.That equals death in a dogfight.On paper it's impressive and I am quite sure the Russian are our equal technology wise but Americans don't follow rules and push equipment to win beyond any and all other forces on the earth.That is because of INDIVIDUAL self realization,imagination and the ability of self sacrifice.
Ego is an unfortunate side affect of winning...a lot,provided politics keep out of the way.



new topics
 
0
<< 2  3  4   >>

log in

join