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originally posted by: DontTreadOnMe
a reply to: rickymouse
What about the EPA in good quality fish oil??
originally posted by: DBCowboy
originally posted by: DontTreadOnMe
a reply to: DBCowboy
How many people do you know that do that?
That [possible GMO] potato you ate last week.....how many nutrients were lost since it left the [possibly nutrient depleted] soil??
Supplements and herbs are not "snake oil".
Most supplements and additives we put in our body are rushed to the kidneys and flushed from our system.
There's a threshold to what "supplements" our body can maintain without doing more harm than good.
originally posted by: DontTreadOnMe
a reply to: DBCowboy
I think most of us that follow alternative/nutritional healing know that
Not going to take 30,000IU of vitamin D or anything.
But thanks for the reminder....some may not know.
DBCowboy: Most supplements and additives we put in our body are rushed to the kidneys and flushed from our system.
There's a threshold to what "supplements" our body can maintain without doing more harm than good.
In one study, thiamine deficiency was identified in 35% (n=79) of patients with septic shock.[47] Thiamine supplementation versus the use of a placebo in this subset of patients has been shown to reduce hyperlactaemia and lead to a survival difference in relation to time to death.
Vitamin C administration is purported to confer mitochondrial protection through its antioxidant effect.[46] It is also believed to improve microcirculatory flow, as well as restore endothelial integrity, and similar protection is suggested with vitamin E, zinc and selenium.[49-52] Selenium and zinc contribute to the scavenging of free radicals and should thus reduce oxidative damage to cells and tissues. They should be provided as per the daily recommended allowances.
A recent single-centre retrospective study compared an intravenous regimen of high-dose vitamin C (1.5g q6hr), thiamine (200 mg q12hr) and hydrocortisone (50 mg q6hr) with a control group that did not receive thiamine or vitamin C.[53] There were 47 patients in each group. Vitamin C and thiamine were administered for 4 days and the hydrocortisone for 7 days, unless the patient was discharged before these timeframes. The cohort that received this regimen exhibited less organ dysfunction and a significantly reduced mortality.
Pharmacological agents such as coenzyme Q10, melatonin, glutamine and L-carnitine are currently being explored for their role in metabolic resuscitation. Melatonin in particular has been shown to reduce oxidative stress and improve mitochondrial function in sepsis.
In critically ill patients, the microbiological milieu changes drastically in the gut, such that the actual number of organisms and their virulence is altered. [...] During critical illness there is a shift that favours the growth of Proteobacteria (such as Pseudomonas aeruginosa and Escherichia coli) and certain bacteria of the Firmicutes phylum (Staphylococcus aureus and Enterococcus spp.).
This dysbiosis, which is the disruption in the normal dynamics of the microbiome, results in harmful host outcomes.
An Australian National University scientist is analysing herbal medicines in search of compounds that reduce potentially fatal inflammation in people suffering diseases such as influenza. The research, by Lisa Alleva, of the School of Biochemistry and Molecular Biology, could lead to drugs to treat the severe inflammation triggered by the body's natural immune response to invading viruses, bacteria and protozoan parasites.
It is now generally accepted that the infectious agent in isolation does not cause the illness and fatal outcome seen in acute systemic infectious diseases. Instead, the pathogen induces host cells to generate excessive amounts of pro-inflammatory cytokines, the prototypic example being tumor necrosis factor (TNF), that alter organ function and host metabolism, thus generating the disease we observe (1,2). This general concept, originally proposed to describe the severe disease caused by malaria infection (3), then sepsis (4) and influenza (5), has taken root in the mainstream, and is now often referred to as the ‘cytokine storm’ (6).
Ginseng and Salviae (28) have been trialed for their abilities to improve influenza vaccination outcomes with good results, and may also modulate cytokines to reduce immunopathology during influenza infections.
influenza virus-infected mice were given the traditional Chinese medicine Yiqi Qingwen Jiedu Heji (31). Researchers found that this treatment reduced expression of the cytokines TNF, IL-6 and IFN-γ in the lungs of FM1 influenza-infected mice, all of which are implicated in inflammation, and increased levels of the anti-inflammatory cytokine IL-10, the combined effect being a shortened course of influenza disease
Glycyrrhizin, an active component of liquorice roots, when given to mice from one day before infection with influenza virus (H2N2), protected all treated mice from fatality while all control mice died (33). What is most interesting about this result is that glycyrrhizin binds to, and inactivates, the novel pro-inflammatory mediator High Mobility Group Box 1 protein (HMGB1) (34), which is elevated in the serum of sepsis patients who succumbed to infection
aqueous extract of the Chinese herb Angelica sinensis (Dang Gui) is dose-dependently protective during lethal experimental sepsis and endotoxemia (37). Ninety percent of mice were saved during lethal endotoxemia (when only 30% of controls survived) when the extract was given daily, and 70% of mice were saved during lethal sepsis (when only 25% of controls survived) when the extract was given daily.
the aqueous extract of another Chinese herb, Salvia miltiorrhiza (Danshen), traditionally used to treat cardiovascular disorders, was also protective against lethal endotoxemia and sepsis by decreasing HMGB1 levels in vivo (46). As for the Dang Gui extract, the Danshen extract was administered 24 h after the onset of sepsis yet still rescued mice. As a potential anti-influenza treatment Danshen may have a double-pronged attack, as it also possesses anti-viral activity
Artemisinin, a Chinese herb traditionally used as an anti-malarial drug, has been shown to possess potent anti-inflammatory effects via inhibition of NF-κB (49). It, too, protects against lethal endotoxemia (50) thus warranting its consideration as a potential influenza treatment
Ginseng is another herb with potent anti-inflammatory effects. An extract from Korean red ginseng (Panax ginseng, C.A. Meyer) significantly protected mice in experimental sepsis by decreasing TNF, IL-1, IL-6 and IFN-γ production via inhibition of NF-κB activation
Green tea (Camellia sinensis) reduces endotoxin-induced release of HMGB1 and is also proposed to possess the ability to decrease mortality from sepsis if taken regularly (57).
The example given here of an ancient Chinese medicine formula used to treat influenza containing nine (out of 11) herbs with anti-inflammatory properties provides compelling evidence that the way forward for the treatment of influenza in a pandemic should be immunomodulation. The host response is targeted, rather than the virus itself.