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posted on Jan, 17 2020 @ 03:55 AM
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I don't mean for this to be a political plop fight, but genuinely one question that puts a lot of doubt into my mind about Trump and the goals here, is
''what is causing their inability to stamp out Obama era corruption, that still exists in government agencies?''

Why cant trump just walk in in his capacity of the President with his office behind him, take over and expose/investigate? put new people in charge kind of thing and change the direction of the FBI, CIA, NSA, DOJ etc...

A few examples..

Retired General Michael Flynn.
Following the news reports of him withdrawing his confession, i note its the ''Government'' prosecutors and DOJ who are pursuing this ugly kind of justice. The government... ?... how is Trump and/or Barr not putting a stop to this if its Government prosecutors?

Apple phones
If it were true (and I'm not sure it is) that Apple are refusing to unlock the devices - why cant the US Government force them too in the name of National Security?... if the US Government can compel phone companies, ie ATT to tap phones and logs.. why cant they here?

Clinton Emails and the FBI
Why hasn't trump picked 10 VIP and DC respected people, named them all special investigators and march them into the FBI's head office and declare "Everyone out, we're in charge and we're picking new management!"
Then looked into: a) Clinton's emails b) wiretap FISA logs c) Strzok and Page texts d) Crowdstrike Server e) interview notes for Flynn, Clinton etc etc

FAKE NEWS
Why haven't they started Investigating and exposing the DNCs financial transactions with corrupt media outlets.. CNN, MSNC, WP etc?

It can't all be a grand plan, I'm pretty sure that most of the restis ie epstein, iran, nk, cia...

He's still standing strong, but he takes a beating each and every day by a lot of people still in a government capacity...
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posted on Jan, 17 2020 @ 04:20 AM
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An American President does not have unlimited power to do all he wants. Also as a political figure he always has to be careful about optics. If he would get involved with an investigation against his former opponent, that would look terrible. Also the defendant would use that in a trial.

It is not the job of a president to micromanage the entire government, thats why he has secretary’s on all departments.

The media picture President Trump as a dictator. Your OP points out nicely why he is not. He knows what he can/cannot do, also what he should/shouldn’t do.
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posted on Jan, 17 2020 @ 04:56 AM
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JFK was working towards smashing up the CIA. Did not work out too well for him with this organization just getting stronger over the years. Would 9/11 went down the way it did without CIA support? If these people are ok with killing a few thousand people to start a war, just how far they will to go to save there position? Kill a major city or two?

Rough estimates of the declass put the numbers at 100 000 - 200 000+ main players involved. The resources of the police and courts are not up to effectively resolving this conflict, especially when these are well resourced people with lots of lawyers to find some doubt and drag out proceedings. The impacts on the economy when so many high value individuals are involved will most likely drop. The economy will likely recover in time and do better in some ways with a lot of the corruption cut out.

A military tribunal has been one idea to address these issues. With access to the NSA database, a very strong case can be made before the arrests take place for a fast trail. To do this will require a deceleration of martial law, which is easy enough to do with strong grounds. Getting out of Martial law is the tough part. Will it be a quick operation of a few days as the trouble makers are rounded up? Will things get out of control and civil war break out requiring a generation or two before civility can be reinstated?

A lot of people getting fired on a case by case basis is a good start to addressing the problems with the bad actors. As for where the tipping point is for enough people to wake up and the media to get back on track, I don't know. How people are moving away from the democratic party with the impeachment circus is also a good start. People are starting to get that if Trump is going to get thrown out for any little mistake while Joe Biden has a free pass on corruption is a problem.

The biggest risk I see with Trump continuing to clean up the swamp is the Democrats stealing the next election. Some districts are deeply lost in the corruption, some have a fair election process and many are in between. Cleaning up the swamp is a big project that does take time. Things did not get this way overnight with a lot of deeply entrenched cultural issues involved.



posted on Jan, 17 2020 @ 05:07 AM
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originally posted by: Goedhardt
An American President does not have unlimited power to do all he wants. Also as a political figure he always has to be careful about optics. If he would get involved with an investigation against his former opponent, that would look terrible. Also the defendant would use that in a trial.

It is not the job of a president to micromanage the entire government, thats why he has secretary’s on all departments.

The media picture President Trump as a dictator. Your OP points out nicely why he is not. He knows what he can/cannot do, also what he should/shouldn’t do.


But he said he was going to drain the swamp.

Three years and the same allegations we heard about in 2016 and, if anything, the swamp got deeper with the guys Trump brought along.

Trump is not a powerful leader. He postures and preens but hasn't come up with the goods.



posted on Jan, 17 2020 @ 05:20 AM
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a reply to: Agit8dChop

In a lamens nutshell, if he does do as you question then he is -

: Firing/ replacing/ standing down people without real proof of misconduct.
: Taking over CEO role of company he does not control.
: Actually then fulfilling the impeachment charges of abuse of power and office.
: Will never find the bottom of the swamp, as impeachment charges would then stick.

He only takes a beating in the eyes of the deceived, to the rest he represents a impenetrable force of sustainability. The likes of which is unlikely to present itself ever again.


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posted on Jan, 17 2020 @ 05:37 AM
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Because he will be exposing al the equally evil republicans.

The swamp is old, and has been built to protect itself. This no term limits on Congress.



posted on Jan, 17 2020 @ 05:38 AM
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a reply to: Agit8dChop

To begin with perhaps he shoild stop hiring swamp creatures to go after other swamp creatures. It hasnt been working, shocker



posted on Jan, 17 2020 @ 05:43 AM
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originally posted by: interupt42
To begin with perhaps he shoild stop hiring swamp creatures to go after other swamp creatures. It hasnt been working, shocker


Wait a second. You saying he's not doing a great, great job picking the very best people, the best, to work for him?


Blasphemy.



posted on Jan, 17 2020 @ 05:46 AM
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a reply to: Agit8dChop

None of the examples you listed had anything to do with Obama. Obama was probably the least effective president in my lifetime. He got practically nothing done during his presidency regardless of his votes and getting a 2nd term. I guess you could count ACA-Obamacare but it's practically been dismantled at this point.

Corporations and billionaires breaking laws or behaving badly is a problem for Big Government which we no longer have.

Over the last 20 years, other than the ACA, name one piece of major legislation designed to help the worker making the median wage? There are none. I hear a lot Republicans complain about the ACA raising their premium rates. Before the ACA you had sub-par companies and policies that never paid out when you had to use the hospital. I'm really sick of the free-loaders complaining about the ACA. And I think not penalizing someone with a previously existing condition is a very good thing. People are going to use healthcare. It should not be insurance but something else. Everyone gets sick and dies. You can't shop around when you are in the emergency room having a heart attack. They way this country handles healthcare is immoral.

I think you just like blaming Obama because you don't like Democrats. I think the billionaires have to start paying or taking responsibility for the workers and communities needs. More wealth is concentrated into fewer hands than at anytime in our history. We are about as far away from communism as you can get and still have a currency worth anything.

The problems with our country are not rocket science. The lobbyists force the politicians to pass laws creating cartels and monopolies in exchange for campaign financing. The only way to save the dollar for inevitable collapse that will occur because money is concentrated in too few hands is with government policies that help the worker making the median wage. Talking about everything else is meaningless BS. As the saying goes money talks BS walks.

Marx always said laissez faire capitalism is followed by communism. This is because unfettered greed would result in the governments currency concentrated in too few hands resulting in its collapse in value. Once the government's currency collapses in value the people in the breadlines will demand MORE government not less. See you in the breadlines comrades!



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posted on Jan, 17 2020 @ 05:51 AM
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originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus

originally posted by: interupt42
To begin with perhaps he shoild stop hiring swamp creatures to go after other swamp creatures. It hasnt been working, shocker


Wait a second. You saying he's not doing a great, great job picking the very best people, the best, to work for him?


Blasphemy.


In all likely hood we cant see the 42D chess move he is making.



posted on Jan, 17 2020 @ 05:55 AM
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originally posted by: interupt42
a reply to: Agit8dChop

To begin with perhaps he shoild stop hiring swamp creatures to go after other swamp creatures. It hasnt been working, shocker


I think we should just assume the absolute worse with regards to human nature. Then we need to design systems of government assuming the worse in people. We need systems of government having transparency with checks and balances. They way the system is designed now it is festering corruption.

I know this can be done because casinos do it very well with all the different money handlers in the system. If the casinos can have a system of government that works then the federal government can be designed to be less corrupt.

The problem is the people running the government now are criminals. Our government is being run by organized crime mob bosses and organizations. The criminals are not interested in cleaning up the system.


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posted on Jan, 17 2020 @ 06:01 AM
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a reply to: dfnj2015

Absolutely. As long as people arent focused on removing conflict of interest in politics and allow the MSM and both parties to focus them on solving our issues with people riddled with conflict of interest, nothing will be fixed nor justice will be delivered.


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posted on Jan, 17 2020 @ 06:24 AM
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a reply to: Agit8dChop

Please make follow up responses to your OP. If not it should be noted here that many posters of this sort do the same.....make a pointed OP then do nothing in the sort of responding in any sort of defense or even support to their OP........or even a singular response at all....Seems purposeful., no?



posted on Jan, 17 2020 @ 06:25 AM
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a reply to: Agit8dChop

To me it's just looked like the only draining/exposing he's done has a direct political advantage to him.

By all appearances, the Intel communities have been playing hardball with him. But honestly.... That's not really new. The alphabet agencies have a long history of playing politics.

As far as campaign finance and corruption in politics, it looks like business as usual.



posted on Jan, 17 2020 @ 06:42 AM
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a reply to: Alien Abduct

sometimes its better to observe than interact - its a lesson I need to learn more in life.

I'm not talking about CEO's or taking over companies, but in the Flynn example..

These are government prosecutors, where are they from or who is their boss, DOJ? This is an obvious case of malpractice, yet.. its allowed to go on - why wouldnt someone step in to solve it?

I agree that Trump has hired some unusual picks, I'm guessing Mcmaster and Sessions played everyone... remember the entire DC establishment was against Trump the day he moved in, thats an impossible task to replace from day dot, you'd need to rely on reputable holders from past administrations.

Lets look at the FBI For example and you could add the CIA into this. There's clearly agents in both agencies still working on impeachming the President. They're being advised from somewhere and they're prepared to frame/blackmail people into it. Why has no one cleaned house on these types?

The same as the Ambassadors - Trump did a good job in Ukraine on firing her, because she was clearly working for Biden, Pelosi, Kerry more than she was working for the United States... why isn't that example being applied across all agencies?


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posted on Jan, 17 2020 @ 06:45 AM
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originally posted by: dfnj2015
I think you just like blaming Obama because you don't like Democrats.


After Bush, I was a big Obama fan... I was all the way to the election.

He was useless and allowed some dumb things to happen (FastnFurious, Libya, Behngazi, Syria, ISIS....) but over all he didnt send us to war like Bush did and that was good.

After learning more and more about the shadow investigation run on a presidential candidate DURING the election and using that to undermine their presidency.. is at the very least treason and that changed my attitude on him, it also opened my eyes! So yes, I do not like Obama and it seems the Democrats (Pelosi, Kerry, Biden, Nadler, Schiff) all seem to be working together to hide the crap thats really going on..

so in theory yes, I hate Obama and I hate the democrats, but thats not how it started!
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edit to add:

I think the billionaires have to start paying or taking responsibility for the workers and communities needs.


spot on - absolutely... San Fran sits in filth while tech ceo's bathe in champagne... Isnt that a Democrat state?
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posted on Jan, 17 2020 @ 06:47 AM
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originally posted by: CriticalStinker
a reply to: Agit8dChop

To me it's just looked like the only draining/exposing he's done has a direct political advantage to him.

By all appearances, the Intel communities have been playing hardball with him. But honestly.... That's not really new. The alphabet agencies have a long history of playing politics.

As far as campaign finance and corruption in politics, it looks like business as usual.


this times different, the President's usually play ball or manged to be strong armed...

this ones exposing them and calling it out.. look at how obvious the media establishment/intelligence agency connection has become!



posted on Jan, 17 2020 @ 06:52 AM
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originally posted by: CthruU

He only takes a beating in the eyes of the deceived, to the rest he represents a impenetrable force of sustainability. The likes of which is unlikely to present itself ever again.



that can end in the blink of an eye with ''BREAKING NEWS'' headlines on the TV one day.. right?... if he's really the threat to the establishment that we're being led to believe then the risk to him grows exponentially with every arrest, qdrop, leak etc...



posted on Jan, 17 2020 @ 07:01 AM
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a reply to: Agit8dChop


I don't mean for this to be a political plop fight, but genuinely one question that puts a lot of doubt into my mind about Trump and the goals here, is
''what is causing their inability to stamp out Obama era corruption, that still exists in government agencies?''


Let’s take a look at that .


#1Why cant trump just walk in in his capacity of the President with his office behind him, take over and expose/investigate? put new people in charge kind of thing and change the direction of the FBI, CIA, NSA, DOJ etc...


He should be able to fire any official protecting corruption .


#2Retired General Michael Flynn.
Following the news reports of him withdrawing his confession, i note its the ''Government'' prosecutors and DOJ who are pursuing this ugly kind of justice. The government... ?... how is Trump and/or Barr not putting a stop to this if its Government prosecutors?


Trump should be able to appoint people to make sure justice is carried out.


#3 Apple iPhones and Clinton emails fall in the same category for me .


Trump should be able to appoint representatives to investigate information and bring it to the light of day .


#4FAKE NEWS
Why haven't they started Investigating and exposing the DNCs financial transactions with corrupt media outlets.. CNN, MSNC, WP etc?


#1 Yovanovitch
#2 Bill Taylor and yet to be appointed (legal)
#3 Rudy and Crowdstrike (legal)
#4 He tried to that in Ukraine. The fake news got him impeached.

Number 4 there’s a problem !


News organizations are hard to sue already. Digital information is covered by the Internet decency act of 1996. The Act has been virtually bulletproof therein lies the problem.

In my opinion the best chance we have to reign the media outlets in. Is Nick Sandmann .

His attorneys Todd McMurtry and L. Lin Wood have a history of fighting to hold the media accountable. (they represented Richard Jewell)

It will be interesting to see if Nick takes any more settlements.



posted on Jan, 17 2020 @ 07:23 AM
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this ones exposing them and calling it out.. look at how obvious the media establishment/intelligence agency connection has become


That's been obvious since the nineties. People only notice it when it goes against their grains.



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