World's Oceans Are Losing Oxygen at an Alarming Rate

a reply to: Oleandra88

Some other country isn't my problem.

I know a snip load about what Farmers do in THIS one.


Just for some more rudeness.




I guess they don't do soil testing in other countries, and farmers just love to throw away money.

a reply to: neo96
I see you are not able or wanting to approach this from a rational viewpoint.

I guess, everyone else in the world is just stupid and doing it wrong.

originally posted by: ArMaP
a reply to: carsforkids

You had all that to post because of what I wrote or because of what you read in the article and/or the report?

I may have gotten carried away! lol

a reply to: TheRedneck

Thanks for the educational post and your input.

originally posted by: rickymouse
All the nitrogen based fertilizers they use to grow the corn for the corn gas is leading to microbes that kill the ocean. Another thing is the pesticides and roundup which screw up the environmental environment for the good microbes in the rivers and oceans. This is not about global warming, this is about severly disturbing unnatural agricultural practices. The factory farms and corn for ethanol is causing much of the problem.

Population increase will lead to even more use of these chemicals which will lead to even more degradation of the oceans/environment.

originally posted by: randomtangentsrme

originally posted by: quercusrex
a reply to: randomtangentsrme

It's called dissolved oxygen. Look it up, diver dude.

Thanks. I did. Quickly.
Wiki listed first medical. So not really related to what we are discussing.
Don't get me wrong. With algae blooms and red tides. I'm watching the ocean constantly.
I've never got a warning of the ocean moving from H2O, to another chem makeup.

Water "IS" H2O but there are lots of other chemicals in water which get mixed and dispersed throughout the ocean. Warmer water doesn't allow this mixing to happen as well as with cooler water as I understand it. Maybe one of the resident ATS scientists can explain it better and in more detail. I do know that it's a delicate system that humans are messing up with run-off of chemicals and other factors detrimental to that balance.

a reply to: randomtangentsrme

Not forgetting the Worlds Greates O suppliant - ALGAE- something that converts CO2 into Oxygen.

originally posted by: randomtangentsrme
a reply to: lostbook

The chemical make up of water is H2O. Two hydrogen atoms to one Oxygen atom.

If the oceans are loosing oxygen the chemical make up of the oceans change.

Please sight what chemicals oceans are now made from.

TL: DR: Chemistry disproves this statement.

Oh boy...I'm not sure if you're mocking people who don't believe the chemistry of reduced oxygen levels in the oceans or if you're actually serious.

They're not saying there's reduced oxygen in the water molecules themselves. You do know the ocean isn't pure distilled H²O and nothing else...right?

originally posted by: Middleoftheroad
We will probably find out this is caused by a form of waste by green energy at some point down the road.

No, I don't think we will

a reply to: neo96

Even with the best technology, some of the chemicals used still make their way into the ocean. They are diluted, yes, but even diluted chemicals added over time can cause issues. That's why I chose to concentrate more on herbicides than on fertilizer. Oceanic plant life is just as susceptible to poisons as terrestrial plant life.

The other side of this argument, in favor of your position, is that the ocean is quite vast and anything emptied into it is diluted. Not only that, but the ocean acts as a giant sewage system for the planet, breaking down chemicals in it and rendering them harmless over time. I am fond of saying that when man creates a waste removal system, we call it a landfill and consider it unhealthy to be around for hundreds or thousands of years; when nature creates a waste removal system, we call it a beach and flock there in droves.

What we need is not a total ban on anything... we need common sense. Minimize the amount of herbicides used, as most farmers do already in developed countries. Then take steps to promote algae and plankton growth to counteract the poisons that do make their way to the water. All fixed.

Humans like to see things in black or white, instead of shades of grey. We don't need black and white thinking! Nature does not deal with black and white, and nature is much more powerful than we are.

TheRedneck

originally posted by: dogstar23

originally posted by: randomtangentsrme
a reply to: lostbook

The chemical make up of water is H2O. Two hydrogen atoms to one Oxygen atom.

If the oceans are loosing oxygen the chemical make up of the oceans change.

Please sight what chemicals oceans are now made from.

TL: DR: Chemistry disproves this statement.

Oh boy...I'm not sure if you're mocking people who don't believe the chemistry of reduced oxygen levels in the oceans or if you're actually serious.

They're not saying there's reduced oxygen in the water molecules themselves. You do know the ocean isn't pure distilled H²O and nothing else...right?

Yes, I was enjoying libations last night and made an outrageous counter to the OP's claim.

originally posted by: randomtangentsrme
a reply to: lostbook

The chemical make up of water is H2O. Two hydrogen atoms to one Oxygen atom.

If the oceans are loosing oxygen the chemical make up of the oceans change.

Please sight what chemicals oceans are now made from.

TL: DR: Chemistry disproves this statement.

Exactly what I first thought, but there are vast areas of the Black Sea that are anoxic, or have much less “dissolved” oxygen according to Wikipedia. It’s the reason ancient shipwrecks are fantastically well preserved in deep waters there. Virtually no sea life is possible in anoxic waters. I don’t get it, since, as you noted, a water molecule consists of one atom of oxygen and two of hydrogen. The link about oxygenation is about dissolved oxygen in water, which I’m too lazy too read.

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originally posted by: randomtangentsrme

originally posted by: dogstar23

originally posted by: randomtangentsrme
a reply to: lostbook

The chemical make up of water is H2O. Two hydrogen atoms to one Oxygen atom.

If the oceans are loosing oxygen the chemical make up of the oceans change.

Please sight what chemicals oceans are now made from.

TL: DR: Chemistry disproves this statement.

Oh boy...I'm not sure if you're mocking people who don't believe the chemistry of reduced oxygen levels in the oceans or if you're actually serious.

They're not saying there's reduced oxygen in the water molecules themselves. You do know the ocean isn't pure distilled H²O and nothing else...right?

Yes, I was enjoying libations last night and made an outrageous counter to the OP's claim.

LOL Cheers!

I just wish the government would tax the living hell out of me because they or course can fix the oceans and climate change in general if they just had enough money... So please take it all and do as you see fit.

Eutrophication is the issue I think.

oceanservice.noaa.gov...

a snip

Sixty-five percent of the estuaries and coastal waters in the contiguous U.S. that have been studied by researchers are moderately to severely degraded by excessive nutrient inputs. Excessive nutrients lead to algal blooms and low-oxygen (hypoxic) waters that can kill fish and seagrass and reduce essential fish habitats. Many of these estuaries also support bivalve mollusk populations (e.g., oysters, clams, scallops), which naturally reduce nutrients through their filter-feeding activities.

Do a search on it, if you are unaware of this, as there is plenty of info out there from scientific bodies as well as the MSM.

originally posted by: randomtangentsrme
a reply to: lostbook

The chemical make up of water is H2O. Two hydrogen atoms to one Oxygen atom.

If the oceans are loosing oxygen the chemical make up of the oceans change.

Please sight what chemicals oceans are now made from.

TL: DR: Chemistry disproves this statement.

A lot going on here to unravel.


I will start with it is still the Sun and the Magnetic fields changes that are making the physical changes to our environment we see. Right now, that is our biggest concern and we can't fix that at this point in time. But we can focus on what we can do something about, water pollution.

H2O is but a component of ocean water. Available O2 is what is "dissolved" into the H2O and is found as an unbound molecule looking for a home and the wildlife collects it a molecule at a time. I used to measure Dissolved Oxygen at a lab. We had to do this for both ocean water, when we were raising our own estuary species to study against pollution, and river water when raising minnows and what are known as water fleas, Daphnia pulex, Daphnia magma and Cerodaphnia dubia.

Loss of O2 is an indication of dead plant and wildlife matter actually. That absorbs the O2 and the O3 ozone. Some one already pointed out the Nitrate situation but I will add that it is a byproduct of animal waste and has to be eaten by bacteria. Bacteria consume the nitrates and their are nitrites that spike, it is complicated but a known process.

Up on top soil we have Vultures and other organisms that do that work. Under the Ocean it is bacterial in nature.

Changing magma fields under the oceans and tectonic plate activity is a symptom of this above the normal slippage of the faults. That action is killing wildlife. Those things and WATER pollution are killing wildlife in the oceans at a higher rate. We have to get a hold of water pollution now.

originally posted by: rickymouse
All the nitrogen based fertilizers they use to grow the corn for the corn gas is leading to microbes that kill the ocean. Another thing is the pesticides and roundup which screw up the environmental environment for the good microbes in the rivers and oceans. This is not about global warming, this is about severly disturbing unnatural agricultural practices. The factory farms and corn for ethanol is causing much of the problem.

Close I think Rick. This is causing Algae blooms. The pesticides cause die offs that brings in some bad bacteria but that dissipates after the bacteria do their thing. The Red tide however is a toxic algae. Nutrients from farming can be controlled better and in some places they are horrific at the moment.

All water pollution is controllable with holding ponds and treatment of the highly contaminated water prior to moving the water back to nature. Nature can correct most of this on it's own but not if we don't chip in and use some damn logic.

originally posted by: markovian

originally posted by: randomtangentsrme
a reply to: lostbook

The chemical make up of water is H2O. Two hydrogen atoms to one Oxygen atom.

If the oceans are loosing oxygen the chemical make up of the oceans change.

Please sight what chemicals oceans are now made from.

TL: DR: Chemistry disproves this statement.

So fish take water consume the oxygen and release hydrogen ...

science.howstuffworks.com...

Correction breathing O2 and releases CO2, the O2 is not actually attached in the H2O water "lattice" (think crystalline like a diamond shape only loosely attached and still liquid).

The O2 is captured between the lattice of the molecules and easily is removed by the gills of fish. The Hydrogen in H2O is not affected in the breathing of the O2.

a reply to: neo96

Neo I think that in the honor of good debate your post owes Oleandra88 something less rude, dude.

a reply to: Justoneman

I think people need to stop parroting doom porn.