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World's Oceans Are Losing Oxygen at an Alarming Rate

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posted on Dec, 9 2019 @ 08:30 AM
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originally posted by: lostbook

originally posted by: rickymouse
All the nitrogen based fertilizers they use to grow the corn for the corn gas is leading to microbes that kill the ocean. Another thing is the pesticides and roundup which screw up the environmental environment for the good microbes in the rivers and oceans. This is not about global warming, this is about severly disturbing unnatural agricultural practices. The factory farms and corn for ethanol is causing much of the problem.


Population increase will lead to even more use of these chemicals which will lead to even more degradation of the oceans/environment.


So you recommend draconian population control then? We will balance ourselves out naturally, thank you. Logic will prevail.




posted on Dec, 9 2019 @ 08:32 AM
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originally posted by: neo96
a reply to: Justoneman

I think people need to stop parroting doom porn.


Well, something IS going on but doom porn is abundant due to that. I think it is fair to say the Cabal has gladly brought about the confusion that others have about various issues. The Redneck gets it right and I see now he had graciously responded about what I have also now.



posted on Dec, 9 2019 @ 08:37 AM
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a reply to: Justoneman

By people who are not farmers.

I grew up on one.

I know exactly what they do and don't do.

Crop production is centered around Soil testing,Tissue test, and water quality from drain tile.

If people want to point a finger.

Point it at big city life.



posted on Dec, 9 2019 @ 06:08 PM
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So we have to update all our tech and methodology to a 21st century mindset and clean up...

Or we can depopulate 90% so the last 10% can pollute and be wasteful still.

I'm voting for the first option, so if y'all pick the second option plz don't depop me or my kids.



posted on Dec, 9 2019 @ 06:16 PM
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a reply to: neo96

Our corporations and military dumped tons of extremely toxic waste in the oceans for decades.

What we actually have to do is clean the ocean bed of all leftover discarded barrels or canisters, then start isolating and removing all toxins floating around down to the molecular level.

We can develop the tech to achieve a 99% clean (without destroying more life) within a few decades of we focused on it as a human team effort.

So what form will the new tech emerge as? I have ideas but I really hope others will have many as well.

This can be fixed without violating anyone or any lifeforms.

I don't understand what the problem is? Is everyone this pessimistic?

I believe that solutions exist.



posted on Dec, 9 2019 @ 06:16 PM
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I still think the goal should be to do more measurements and determine exactly what the optimum human carrying capacity of the world is (as opposed to the maximum) so that future generations can live in harmony with the planet physically and emotionally, without putting the ecosystem under debilitating stress.

Of course, that's going to be debatable... but what isn't?



posted on Dec, 9 2019 @ 06:18 PM
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originally posted by: Justoneman

originally posted by: lostbook

originally posted by: rickymouse
All the nitrogen based fertilizers they use to grow the corn for the corn gas is leading to microbes that kill the ocean. Another thing is the pesticides and roundup which screw up the environmental environment for the good microbes in the rivers and oceans. This is not about global warming, this is about severly disturbing unnatural agricultural practices. The factory farms and corn for ethanol is causing much of the problem.


Population increase will lead to even more use of these chemicals which will lead to even more degradation of the oceans/environment.


So you recommend draconian population control then? We will balance ourselves out naturally, thank you. Logic will prevail.


I never said that.....



posted on Dec, 9 2019 @ 06:19 PM
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a reply to: Blue Shift
Sure, but after that is determined..how do you make it happen?



posted on Dec, 9 2019 @ 06:19 PM
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originally posted by: muzzleflash
I don't understand what the problem is? Is everyone this pessimistic?

People would rather spend billions to fly into dead space than embrace the oceans. I believe it's a remnant of our ancient, primordial fears of sea monsters.



posted on Dec, 9 2019 @ 06:27 PM
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originally posted by: vonclod
a reply to: Blue Shift
Sure, but after that is determined..how do you make it happen?

Rather than dropping bombs on people, we need to drop high technology. Studies show that birthrates in prosperous, educated industrialized countries consistently drop because people no longer feel like they need a younger generation to support them in their old age. That's the carrot approach.

As for the stick approach, you'll get Blue Shift Hitler's plan as soon as I'm "elected" Emperor of Earth. "Dystopia" has a harsh connotation, and certainly depends on your point of view and personal philosophy.

But we need to find out the numbers first. Maybe we can handle multiple billions more people. Until we know the numbers, we're arguing over unknowns.
edit on 9-12-2019 by Blue Shift because: (no reason given)



posted on Dec, 9 2019 @ 06:28 PM
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a reply to: Blue Shift

The population limits are determined by technology, not natural environment per se.

Squalor can be reduced by cleanliness and thoughtfulness, whereas resource production can be improved with robotics, recycling, etc.

For example, large cities couldn't exist until we developed plumbing, transportation, architecture, etc.

As tech and behavior advance, we could theoretically sustain over a hundred billion, maybe eventually a trillion ppl just on Earth.

But with all the oppression, violence, subterfuge and treacherous attitudes going around Earth right now today, with our pitiful tech and obscene behaviors - it's unlikely we can sustain the current 7 or 8 billion for much longer.

We really need to clean our waste outta the oceans soon. I hope we start soon on a global effort cuz it'll take decades.

If the oceans die we're finished. We have to save ourselves from our forefathers arrogance essentially. Push is coming to shove, it always does...



posted on Dec, 9 2019 @ 06:33 PM
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originally posted by: muzzleflash
a reply to: Blue Shift

The population limits are determined by technology, not natural environment per se.

We're currently in a tug of war between destructive and constructive technology, with the goal being a high quality of life that is sustainable. But we still don't know how far either side can pull before something's gotta give. All we have now are some preliminary data and emotional estimates.



posted on Dec, 9 2019 @ 06:39 PM
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a reply to: Blue Shift

So Yes the solution at it's base element is simple: Information/Education.

That is the Light.
It's the only way out of Darkness.
Every time, every situation.

We have to learn, think and share.
Work together as a team, a family.

It's that simple.

We might not be able to solve every problem in the Galaxy but we can at least clean up our home right?



posted on Dec, 9 2019 @ 06:44 PM
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originally posted by: muzzleflash
a reply to: Blue Shift
We might not be able to solve every problem in the Galaxy but we can at least clean up our home right?

It's at least possible. There are still quite a few people on Earth who belong to cultures and religions that consider this planet merely a way station to Heaven or whatever, and is disposable. So we'll have to see.



posted on Dec, 9 2019 @ 06:45 PM
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a reply to: Blue Shift

Our tech is used how the user wishes, for better or worse.

So keep in mind that in many ways this is a fundamentally spiritual/ethical problem we are facing.

Those canisters of toxic waste could have been disposed of through proper chemistry and this problem could have been avoided.

That pollution is on the ocean floor because of sin. People got too greedy, lazy, ignorant, selfish, thoughtless...



posted on Dec, 9 2019 @ 06:57 PM
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a reply to: Blue Shift

Even if this is a waystation to an afterlife it should at least be somewhat tolerable and comfortable.

How could anyone rationally disagree?

Look there's no way this situation is all perfect and rosey no matter how much lipstick you put on it.

Pollution is a valid real problem simply from the danger of directly poisoning plants and animals, or in this case, suffocating them.

We need to focus on keeping partisanship limited because it always screws everything up and nothing ever gets fixed.

Might even need ground rules like no tax schemes, no forcing ppl to do things via legislative muscle, etc. None of this control freak or greedy theif bs.

Oh who am I kidding?
Ahahaha we're screwed.
Doooom Approaches!!! Lol



posted on Dec, 9 2019 @ 07:12 PM
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originally posted by: muzzleflash
a reply to: Blue Shift

The population limits are determined by technology, not natural environment per se.

Squalor can be reduced by cleanliness and thoughtfulness, whereas resource production can be improved with robotics, recycling, etc.

For example, large cities couldn't exist until we developed plumbing, transportation, architecture, etc.

As tech and behavior advance, we could theoretically sustain over a hundred billion, maybe eventually a trillion ppl just on Earth.

But with all the oppression, violence, subterfuge and treacherous attitudes going around Earth right now today, with our pitiful tech and obscene behaviors - it's unlikely we can sustain the current 7 or 8 billion for much longer.

We really need to clean our waste outta the oceans soon. I hope we start soon on a global effort cuz it'll take decades.

If the oceans die we're finished. We have to save ourselves from our forefathers arrogance essentially. Push is coming to shove, it always does...


Well said.



posted on Dec, 9 2019 @ 10:15 PM
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The nostodamus Bible myan calendar will use y2k, zombies, halebop, global cooling and peak oil to destroy you all
edit on 9-12-2019 by circuitsports because: (no reason given)



posted on Dec, 10 2019 @ 05:02 AM
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originally posted by: drewlander

originally posted by: randomtangentsrme
a reply to: lostbook

The chemical make up of water is H2O. Two hydrogen atoms to one Oxygen atom.

If the oceans are loosing oxygen the chemical make up of the oceans change.

Please sight what chemicals oceans are now made from.

TL: DR: Chemistry disproves this statement.



Its the displacement of oxygen with nitrates and ammonia and other crap as a result of dead zones which are where fresh water enters the ocean. Marine life dies and things go sour in other ways. I suppose you think Flint Michigan tap water is just molecules of hydrogen and oxygen too?


You gotta hate when you turn on a tap, and all that comes out is hydrogen. Buddy never said that there isnt other chems in the water, simply said IF we are loosing oxygen in the oceans, than the chemical make up of the water must be changing. Basic chemistry.

Also I thought run off "dead" zones in the ocean we from desalination not deoxygenation, meaning a lack of salt water not oxygen. I.e. the fresh water pushes the salt water away and normal sea life cant survive in a fresh water environment. From my perspective they are entirely different, but maybe I'm wrong.



posted on Dec, 10 2019 @ 12:54 PM
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a reply to: looneylupinsrevenge

It may be how I took your message but somehow you give the impression that you think, desalination plants desalinate the water for fun.

The desalinated water is pumped inland where it is needed, not in a circle back into the ocean. Then after it is used and introduced back into nature, that water soaks to the ground or evaporates and rains down somewhere else, like it has for eons.

There are freshwater rivers everywhere on earth that end up in the ocean. Desalination plants are like a drop of water on a hot stone, if you are concerned about missing salt in the oceans.



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