a reply to: Oraculi
As I've only read your post, please forgive me if someone else has mentioned what I am going to say. First thing. This is not the first time the USA
has retreated. We retreated in Vietnam and left our Vietnamese allies there out to dry. That's how we got all those "boat people" in the 1970s. Just a
little history for ya.
Now onto this Syrian mess. Some stuff to be aware of. The Kurds wanted to carve out an area and make it their own nation. They thought they were going
to get the chance when Obama went in to remove Assad from power. I don't know if the Kurds would have gotten their nation out of it but if they did,
Turkey, Iran and Iraq would have immediately attacked that nation. The only reason Syria would not is because they would have been in shambles. The
plan didn't go as Obama and his neocons thought and I am guessing that is because Russia stepped into Syria on Syria's invitation. The USA was
invading that place actually.
Now the Kurds asked Assad if they could have a homeland and Assad (Syria) has always said NO. Assad did offer to allow them to govern themselves like
they do in Iraq but that was not good enough for the Kurds. So the Kurds allies with the USA to remove him from power. The Kurds are traitors to Syria
and Assad. And Syria has always thought this. Doesn't matter that once Russia stepped in the USA decided to quit arming the other rebels (ISIS) in the
area and start fighting them with the Kurds. The Kurds thought that the USA would protect this "nation" they wanted against all comers but the USA
could not legally do this. Turkey is an ally and we would be breaking international treaties and such and the Kurds are not a nation, just a tribe of
people that happen to live in Syria. But the Kurds wanted more even though they were told NO by the USA, Russia, Turkey, Iraq, Iran, Syria. So the
Kurds are wrong to say the USA deserted them.
When Trump took office, the goal in Syria changed from taking out Assad to taking out ISIS. Once that goal was accomplished and all the ISIS was put
into camps/prisons, the USA's job there was done. We did not sign up to watch or guard those camps. The USA took out the people we were responsible
for that the Kurds ALLOWED us to take out and left the others. The USA has been asking the other countries to take back their citizens and put them on
trial but they have refused for a lot of reasons that don't matter. The USA was not responsible for all those people but we asked the Kurds to watch
them and they did.
Turkey has been screaming for years now about the Kurds and some Kurd groups are on the terrorist lists of many countries, not just Turkey. Hypocrites
now crying about how they are killing the Kurds, they even consider terrorists. But ya know how that goes.
So Syria has allowed the Kurds to control a part of Syria because the USA was backing them and no one wanted this to escalate into full blown war with
Russia who stated Assad would NOT be leaving or pushed out by others. Want to go to war with Russia? The Kurds thought they could rebel against Syria
and carve out a place because Syria is in bad shape. But that was not to be.
Turkey says that the money the EU is giving them is not enough and they have gone into their own pocket for these "Syrian refugees" and they are done.
The EU says that they won't be blackmailed. So Turkey has begun deporting these "refugees" back into Syria because they are tired of them and the war
there is over by all accounts and the Syrians have celebrated that fact in the streets of Damascus too. It's time for them people to go home and
rebuild their country but they don't want to leave. So Turkey came up with a plan to have a buffer zone, not only for their own national security
reasons but to also send back all these "refugees". How long they would have held it is up for debate.
Syria, Russia, and the USA agreed with this plan. The Kurds did not. Again, the Kurds are not a nation and are part of Syria. So Assad stated these
Kurds are TRAITORS. And they were considered traitors before the war ended but after the war, they should have gone back to Syria but they were greedy
and didn't want to just rule themselves. They also wanted to be able to say they were a Nation that others recognize like Israel is.
So basically, the Kurds were the holdouts here in getting this resolved. And the USA could not stay there forever.
IMO and I'm a housewife K? so I know no one with any info on this junk really so this is my opinion on what is going on. Remember in the military, the
guys on the ground get the info they need, not any more because we don't want them spilling secrets if the enemy catches them. They know nothing
about the top brass and it's plans unless they are guessing too.
The squawking is all show on the parts of Russia and the USA. And Turkey is aware that sanctions and all that may come from countries and even the USA
and Russia because the military doesn't tell the civilians everything either, not even in the Congress or Senate. The President is the Commander of
the Military and I would think is "in the know" but he would be the only one up there that is in on this plan. It's why Trump will probably sign the
sanctions bill and all that. Military secrets are kept secret and don't believe otherwise. Oh sure, some things get out but.... No, I don't think so.
The military takes that stuff seriously and the penalty for traitors is death so.....
I believe that since the Kurds were not playing ball and this is the last stage of the war. Syria was going to go into that area and take it back from
the Kurds by fighting tooth and nail for each foot. They were just waiting for the USA to leave so they wouldn't have the USA to deal with too. These
Kurds are traitors to the Syrians. Or were. Last I heard, in the last 3 days they have been negotiating with the Syrians and Russians to help with the
Turks. Before this Turkey invasion the Kurds refused to have anything to do with Assad. Now they are begging for their "country", Syria, to help them
expel the Turks from Syria. Funny how that works huh? LOL
So maybe, this was the plan. The Kurds would have thought that the USA was backstabbing them either way we went. Leaving Syria, at any time and not
protecting the Kurds, is backstabbing them. Period. So them and others thinking we betrayed the Kurds. So frigging what. They would not have changed
their minds if we just left and Turkey was not invading them because then they were going to be invaded by Syrian and maybe Russian forces.
All Trump and Turkey did was force the Kurds back into the Syrian nation. And Russia and Syria cheers as they don't have to go fight these traitors to
get Syrian land back. And because of Turkey and the USA, the Kurds are now sitting at the table with the Syrians and Russia where they wouldn't even
consider it before. Death to Syria they thought. Kurdistan rises and the USA is going to protect us. Not happening. The Kurds are not even close to
USA citizens. Why should we protect their nation for them? Stupidity in action IMO.
Now Turkey is saying they want, what? 20 miles of the border area for a buffer. That area was only 3 miles but again, the Kurds wouldn't consider it.
The Kurds are the hardasses in this entire mess and I don't feel any pity for them idiots.
Continued in next posting coming up. Ran outta characters dang it. LOL
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