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originally posted by: Grambler
a reply to: Sillyolme
See the video on the first page
Biden admits HE was in charge of giving the loan, and HE told them they wouldn’t get it unless they fired the prosecutor (who happened to be looking in to his sons company)
The excuse that prosecutor also happened to suck in other ways is irrelevant
I am 100 percent positive if don jr was on the board of directors in a company, and a foreign country had a prosecutor looking in to that country
And trump said hey we are cutting off a billion dollars in aid to your country unless you fire that prosecutor “
You and the media and Dems would go nuts
How do I know this?
Even the thought that trump may have had a business in Russia and he may have wanted to cooperation with Russia, without any proof he does have money in Russia or that his decision to try to improve relations has anything to do with that, has caused you all to foam at the mouth for three years
originally posted by: Metallicus
CNN is a fake news source.
originally posted by: UKTruth
Simple:
If Trump suggested a deal to a foreign nation - something given for something returned to America... that's called foreign affairs and diplomacy.
originally posted by: Grambler
a reply to: Sillyolme
Let’s assume you are correct
Tell me why it’s terrible for trump to say I’m withholding aid unless you investigate joe Biden’s son
originally posted by: DanDanDat
The Democrats have played the week hand to many times now for me to take this seriously.
originally posted by: Sillyolme
a reply to: shooterbrody
Yeah what's that then?
Let's see your backup documentation that this had anything to do with BIdens son.
Lets see what those crimes you think happened were?
I'll wait... but I have to go out in a couple of hours so not too long okay?
originally posted by: Extorris
originally posted by: Grambler
a reply to: Sillyolme
Let’s assume you are correct
Tell me why it’s terrible for trump to say I’m withholding aid unless you investigate joe Biden’s son
It's not his money, it is taxpayer money and given to Ukraine via legislation.
If true, he withheld it for campaign purposes, effectively stealing 260 Million dollars and used his position as President to threaten a countries safety and security by withholding military aid unless they provided support to his presidential campaign by producing negative material on his opponent and he sent his personal attorney to seal the deal before releasing the aid.
You might think that is legal or acceptable, but I am pretty sure it violates multiple laws and would be as clear an abuse of power we have ever seen.
That said we need to see the evidence and the Whistle-Blower complaint.
If I was Trump I would get it out now rather than fight it and deal with the fall-out in 2020 closer to the election.
originally posted by: Grambler
a reply to: Extorris
Curious you said nothing when Obama and Biden withheld aid until they fired the prosecutor who was looking into Biden’s sons company
I wonder why you skipped that part?
Vitaliy Kasko, who had been Shokin’s deputy overseeing international cooperation before resigning in February 2016 citing corruption in the office, produced documents to Bloomberg that under Shokin, the investigation into Burisma had been dormant.
"There was no pressure from anyone from the U.S. to close cases against Zlochevsky," Kasko told Bloomberg. "It was shelved by Ukrainian prosecutors in 2014 and through 2015."
originally posted by: Extorris
originally posted by: DanDanDat
The Democrats have played the week hand to many times now for me to take this seriously.
This is an IG that was appointed by Trump that determined the Whistle-Blower complaint was "Credible and Urgent".
Rudy admitted asking Ukraine to investigate Biden.
All the while Trump put a hold on releasing Military Aid to Ukraine.
Not really a Dem thing at all.
Hell Lindsay Graham and the GOP in the Senate were publicly asking the WH why they were holding up the approved aid to Ukraine.
This isn't a "Play". This needs to be examined and confirmed or disproved.
Trump is not permitted to Use US Military Aid to Foreign countries as extortion to help his Presidential Campaign.
That is not complex. If true, those are indisputable grounds for impeachment. If not true? Great! move on.
We need to see the Whistle Blower complaint that a Trump Appointed AG found "Credible and Urgent".
originally posted by: Grambler
And no, since Biden forced the prosecutor to be fired, the investigation was dropped
originally posted by: DanDanDat
originally posted by: Extorris
originally posted by: DanDanDat
The Democrats have played the week hand to many times now for me to take this seriously.
This is an IG that was appointed by Trump that determined the Whistle-Blower complaint was "Credible and Urgent".
Rudy admitted asking Ukraine to investigate Biden.
All the while Trump put a hold on releasing Military Aid to Ukraine.
Not really a Dem thing at all.
Hell Lindsay Graham and the GOP in the Senate were publicly asking the WH why they were holding up the approved aid to Ukraine.
This isn't a "Play". This needs to be examined and confirmed or disproved.
Trump is not permitted to Use US Military Aid to Foreign countries as extortion to help his Presidential Campaign.
That is not complex. If true, those are indisputable grounds for impeachment. If not true? Great! move on.
We need to see the Whistle Blower complaint that a Trump Appointed AG found "Credible and Urgent".
Sorry Extorris; unfortunately the Democrats have played the week hand to many times now for me to take this seriously.
originally posted by: DanDanDat
originally posted by: Extorris
originally posted by: DanDanDat
The Democrats have played the week hand to many times now for me to take this seriously.
This is an IG that was appointed by Trump that determined the Whistle-Blower complaint was "Credible and Urgent".
Rudy admitted asking Ukraine to investigate Biden.
All the while Trump put a hold on releasing Military Aid to Ukraine.
Not really a Dem thing at all.
Hell Lindsay Graham and the GOP in the Senate were publicly asking the WH why they were holding up the approved aid to Ukraine.
This isn't a "Play". This needs to be examined and confirmed or disproved.
Trump is not permitted to Use US Military Aid to Foreign countries as extortion to help his Presidential Campaign.
That is not complex. If true, those are indisputable grounds for impeachment. If not true? Great! move on.
We need to see the Whistle Blower complaint that a Trump Appointed AG found "Credible and Urgent".
When the IG that was appointed by Trump takes to the airwaves and demands action of some kind I may start to pay attention;
originally posted by: PurpleFox
originally posted by: Extorris
originally posted by: Grambler
a reply to: Sillyolme
Let’s assume you are correct
Tell me why it’s terrible for trump to say I’m withholding aid unless you investigate joe Biden’s son
It's not his money, it is taxpayer money and given to Ukraine via legislation.
If true, he withheld it for campaign purposes, effectively stealing 260 Million dollars and used his position as President to threaten a countries safety and security by withholding military aid unless they provided support to his presidential campaign by producing negative material on his opponent and he sent his personal attorney to seal the deal before releasing the aid.
You might think that is legal or acceptable, but I am pretty sure it violates multiple laws and would be as clear an abuse of power we have ever seen.
That said we need to see the evidence and the Whistle-Blower complaint.
If I was Trump I would get it out now rather than fight it and deal with the fall-out in 2020 closer to the election.
But Obama can give pallets loads of our cash to a country that sponsors terrorism and the media applauds it...
originally posted by: Grambler
a reply to: Extorris
Yes see the thread I linked above
I go through that entire article
originally posted by: Extorris
originally posted by: DanDanDat
originally posted by: Extorris
originally posted by: DanDanDat
The Democrats have played the week hand to many times now for me to take this seriously.
This is an IG that was appointed by Trump that determined the Whistle-Blower complaint was "Credible and Urgent".
Rudy admitted asking Ukraine to investigate Biden.
All the while Trump put a hold on releasing Military Aid to Ukraine.
Not really a Dem thing at all.
Hell Lindsay Graham and the GOP in the Senate were publicly asking the WH why they were holding up the approved aid to Ukraine.
This isn't a "Play". This needs to be examined and confirmed or disproved.
Trump is not permitted to Use US Military Aid to Foreign countries as extortion to help his Presidential Campaign.
That is not complex. If true, those are indisputable grounds for impeachment. If not true? Great! move on.
We need to see the Whistle Blower complaint that a Trump Appointed AG found "Credible and Urgent".
Sorry Extorris; unfortunately the Democrats have played the week hand to many times now for me to take this seriously.
Wait. So you took them seriously before???
LOL.
No offense, but who cares? No one needs you to take it seriously.