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Do poor women have a right to have children

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posted on Sep, 9 2019 @ 02:28 PM
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a reply to: Nyiah

If it wasn't for a giant collective pool of tax funds, we wouldn't have one of the most advanced healthcare systems in the world. Since so many of us who have paid into that pool of money year after year are finding ourselves priced out of the system, maybe that pool's fund should stopped being used to advance that system any further. Heck maybe some of us deserve a rebate. I mean who the heck do the rich people think they are thinking they deserve all this nifty life extending healthcare built up through the blood and sweat of us peons who will never afford anything but the most basic care if we are lucky?




posted on Sep, 9 2019 @ 02:59 PM
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a reply to: JAGStorm




We are also not talking about war and natural disaster, that is not choice, there is a huge difference.


Neither is being banded in a lower economic class by a system that creates that difference in the first place and furthermore increases that difference over time; whilst The disparity between the richest and poorest continues to grow.

The above is the issue not the fact that they are poor.

Remember too that poor is a subjective. Some may say that people with little money are poor. Others might say those that lack empathy and humanity towards other human beings the poor ones.



edit on 9-9-2019 by purplemer because: (no reason given)



posted on Sep, 9 2019 @ 03:00 PM
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a reply to: dawnstar




I mean who the heck do the rich people think they are thinking they deserve all this nifty life extending healthcare built up through the blood and sweat of us peons who will never afford anything but the most basic care if we are lucky?


because wealth is made off the back of the working man.



posted on Sep, 9 2019 @ 03:03 PM
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a reply to: JAGStorm




If we take the emotion out of this question...


Why would you want to take your emotion out of it. That is an intrinsic part of being human. Logic does not create culture.. write poetry like Keats, paint like Piccaso .

What kind of world are you trying to live in.?



posted on Sep, 9 2019 @ 03:40 PM
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originally posted by: Nyiah

originally posted by: SeaWorthy
a reply to: Nyiah




hat'll be a jarring crash back to Earth, but they'll need some sweet, sweet Medicaid or Medicare help (depending on their ages) And maybe charity & government help to meet other expenses that can't be met because medical black holes adore wallets and government help alike.


You do realize you have compared choice to circumstance?

I doubt anyone wants aid to people in need dropped and we pay for the programs as an insurance you are speaking of.
those are not welfare.



Ah, the joys of reading backward through a thread.

Circumstance schmurcumstance. When it starts costing the public their taxes, who cares, right? If you're a drain, you're a drain, nobody needs to pay for your ill ass. Well, nobody but YOU. Much like the people harping on the poor & the costs of kids, if you can't live frugally enough to entirely pay for catastrophic health issues, you don't deserve anyone else's help to pay to stay alive, now do you?

Take it a step further. We pay taxes for a safety net to fall back on. In insurance, we all buy access into a gigantic pool of money to count on being able to draw from. In THAT light, if I were a prick, I'd be tempted to say I don't think I care about or want to pay for someone else's cancer treatment with my monthly cover charge. Not my genes going haywire, bruh, pay for it yourself.

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All fine and dandy if the rate of pay increased with the cost of living but it hasn’t. More and more people are living check to check and can’t afford the inflated cost of medical expenses or insurance, let alone have enough money saved for catastrophic incidents. Should we just allow the working middle class (the ones keeping the country going) to just die off?

I recently had a heart attack and then a bad case of pneumonia a few weeks later. I was working a job that didn’t pay much and didn’t have insurance but because of certain circumstances I had to take it to stay a float. I’m looking at having to declare bankruptcy now. If I’m understanding you correctly they should have just let me die? What do you suggest I do? All ears here.
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posted on Sep, 9 2019 @ 04:03 PM
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originally posted by: ADUB77

originally posted by: hopenotfeariswhatweneed
a reply to: ADUB77

Are you saying women do not pass on their genes ?


No, I’m saying that the Y chromosome is passed through the male and the Y chromosome decides the sex of the child

Also if you read above, if a male passes on an X to a women and they have a baby girl with genetic recombination whereas if the male passes the Y to the women and they have a boy there is much less genetic recombination as the y and x don’t mix and you would see the father’s genetics in the son more


so Yes women provide half genetics for the birth of a women and about 25 percent for the birth of a male so all in all about 38 percent and not half like you said


23 n me says our son had 50 from mother 25 % would be Grandparent.




Humans normally carry 23 pairs of chromosomes: 22 autosomal pairs and one pair of sex chromosomes, either two copies of the X for a female or an X and a Y in the case of males.
By Mendel’s law of segregation you receive one copy of each pair from your mother (via the egg), and one copy from your father (via the sperm). This means exactly half of your genome derives from each parent.

slate.com...



posted on Sep, 9 2019 @ 04:06 PM
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originally posted by: mtnshredder

originally posted by: Nyiah

originally posted by: SeaWorthy
a reply to: Nyiah




hat'll be a jarring crash back to Earth, but they'll need some sweet, sweet Medicaid or Medicare help (depending on their ages) And maybe charity & government help to meet other expenses that can't be met because medical black holes adore wallets and government help alike.


You do realize you have compared choice to circumstance?

I doubt anyone wants aid to people in need dropped and we pay for the programs as an insurance you are speaking of.
those are not welfare.



Ah, the joys of reading backward through a thread.

Circumstance schmurcumstance. When it starts costing the public their taxes, who cares, right? If you're a drain, you're a drain, nobody needs to pay for your ill ass. Well, nobody but YOU. Much like the people harping on the poor & the costs of kids, if you can't live frugally enough to entirely pay for catastrophic health issues, you don't deserve anyone else's help to pay to stay alive, now do you?

Take it a step further. We pay taxes for a safety net to fall back on. In insurance, we all buy access into a gigantic pool of money to count on being able to draw from. In THAT light, if I were a prick, I'd be tempted to say I don't think I care about or want to pay for someone else's cancer treatment with my monthly cover charge. Not my genes going haywire, bruh, pay for it yourself.

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If I’m understanding you correctly they should have just let me die? What do you suggest I do? All ears here.

You're actually not understanding me correctly, I don't advocate letting the poor & ill just die off. I was speaking to those in the thread that advocate restricting the poor in a language they can understand -- targeting them medically instead. It's a slippery slope, and it doesn't take much to justify another step in a bad direction.
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posted on Sep, 9 2019 @ 06:42 PM
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originally posted by: JAGStorm
Today on a facebook page a local lady that helps people in need posted a bunch of needs/wants for some families.
Two of the three families are expecting a baby in addition to many other children. They have zero money, zero anything.
How on earth is this ok? In this day and age, birth control is everywhere, and it's free. I'd like to say it's rare, but it isn't.
Every day there are requests like this. Another friend asking for fresh fruits for people. Many working folks can't afford fresh fruit for their
own children...

I'm not some kind of cruel person. I know the desire for a women to have a child. I just don't think that their desire overrides
the responsibility of having one. Then that burden falls on everyone else. It falls on people that have been responsible their entire lives.




The problem isn't the poor people having kids, the problem is the people enabling it by giving them something. The moment people stop giving handouts is the moment people stop asking. It works both ways. Good example is my brother. He is lazy and irresponsible, he used to always be broke and never had money so he would bug my mom constantly and she would cave. The moment she stopped giving him money he magically figured out how to make his own finances work and was never so broke he needed to bum the money off someone simply because that option was not available to him anymore so he was forced to make it work.

These "poor" people are not really poor they are just lazy and irresponsible and because there is suckers out there who buy into it and help them, they never see the need to change their ways and make what they got work for them. I mean why would they? They know if they beg, someone WILL help. Otherwise why would they do it if it was a waste of their time and got nothing out of it?
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posted on Sep, 9 2019 @ 07:22 PM
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originally posted by: NarcolepticBuddha

Yeah, it's nice to sit on my ass playing video games and eating chicken wings 18 hours a day sometimes, but I feel so empty if I don't get out and get some serious sheet done a couple of times a week!

There is definitely satisfaction from putting in a hard day's work, taking home YOUR income and affording your own games and wings.


What do you do to support that lifestyle?



posted on Sep, 9 2019 @ 07:36 PM
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originally posted by: dawnstar
a reply to: Zanti Misfit

I'm not even gonna even bother answering this post since I have no idea what you are trying to say...



That's Because I Guessed you are Not a Women , and just can't Relate to that Situation ........Duh > ?
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posted on Sep, 9 2019 @ 07:37 PM
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The more I look at some of these posts, the more I think I may have the wrong definition of poor.

Like I said, I didn't know that I was poor growing up until I was an adult. My parents lacked sufficient money to live at a standard that was comfortable, so my Dad worked three jobs. He was in the military, he worked security at the Five and Dime, and he did dispatch at the cab company at night. Sometimes the only way us children got to see him was at work, but that was fun. We got to ride to town and we got to see Dad.

My mother for a long while cleaned houses and she was a seamstress. After my father died, she went to school at night and became a nurse. It was tough, but we never went to bed hungry, and we always had something to wear. Neither of my parents were poor because they were lazy and neither was irresponsible.

My parents never asked for a handout. They didn't have to. The community was a sharing community and no one in the community went hungry or without shoes or clothing. I even remember one Sunday when they took up a special offering for a family who's furnace had broken and they had no money to get it fixed. The community gathered enough money to replace their furnace and took them into until it replaced.

I remember having to sit and assist the elderly when they were too old to care for themselves, and I would sit with someone that was sick until an adult would come and relieve me. None of it seemed like handouts, it was the norm to help when someone had a need, if you could.

Maybe none of us were really poor, at least not by the definition of poor I am reading here.



posted on Sep, 9 2019 @ 08:58 PM
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Ummm. You guessed wrong? Either that or I am a major medical wonder since I cant be a man. They cant give birth.. if I'm not a women, what am I? I'm rather large to be a one celled paramecium...



posted on Sep, 9 2019 @ 10:18 PM
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originally posted by: Lumenari
a reply to: JAGStorm

Because a portion of American citizens are now quite fine with being dependent on either their government or other people to survive.

In fact, they feel it is their right.

Self-sufficiency is not only not taught anymore, it's considered old-fashioned.

And personal responsibility... pphhttt... there is always some boogie man holding them down.

Which is why socialism is also becoming popular.



Good grief just wait untill the YouTube generation gets ten years older. I don't see one of em, not the young ones, not the families, not the couple's, nobody who seems to understand in three years or so there will not be any more 10,000-100,000 dollar pay days and so spending all their time instead of going to school or working instead on YouTube is not a smart move. I can't tell you how many I have seen, two I can recall in tears...and they were guys...who were crying because their subscriber count was down, they weren't able to pay for their Ferraris ans mansions, And their merch was no longer selling. They also threatened to stop making videos since they said it took most of their money to make them...oddly these were both top 5 or top 10 list makers who simply steal other people's content and put a 1, 2, 3, and so on as a cut scene.

Screwed up part is their fans jumped right to action as they both announced they set up a go fund me to pay their bills. I don't remember the details on one but just twelve hours into asking one was at 26,000 dollars total out of the 10,000 he was crying for.

Eventually self absorbed morons have gotta stop picking up their slack you'd think. I wanted to puke watching donation after donation being made instead of to a sick child or animal rescue, to some prick who makes videos to show off his garage full of German and Italian luxury cars and cashes out stacks of bills to put in his video to help him not have to go back to living at a lower standard of luxury than his 2 or 3 years of being an absolute criminal and plagiarizer has afforded him
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posted on Sep, 9 2019 @ 10:40 PM
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Lately, I've been kind of entertained by the wannabe ghost hunters on you tube... I think they make their living just going around to abandoned houses and scaring themselves half to death.. half the time there really isnt a house, it's just a destroyed structure. But hey, somehow they are getting paid enough to go traveling all over the place..
Lol.. when I die, I want to spend some time in some of those abandoned places hoping some of them will show up. I think I could have some fun with them...



posted on Sep, 9 2019 @ 10:47 PM
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Abortions are bad! Give birth!

Wait, you're poor? How irresponsible of you!

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Contraception shouldn't be covered by health insurance!

You're poor and pregnant? Why didn't you use contraception?!

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Women are only fertile during ovulation.

Men are fertile 24/7.

Obviously it is the woman's fault for getting pregnant. Couldn't be anymore black and white!



posted on Sep, 9 2019 @ 10:51 PM
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originally posted by: lucidclouds

originally posted by: NarcolepticBuddha

Yeah, it's nice to sit on my ass playing video games and eating chicken wings 18 hours a day sometimes, but I feel so empty if I don't get out and get some serious sheet done a couple of times a week!

There is definitely satisfaction from putting in a hard day's work, taking home YOUR income and affording your own games and wings.


What do you do to support that lifestyle?


I am willing to work more than 40 hours a week?

A lot of people aren't, and then guess who gets bonuses and promotions



posted on Sep, 9 2019 @ 11:05 PM
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a reply to: NarcolepticBuddha

The one well versed in sports enough to carry on a conversation with the boss about this weeks college football games?



posted on Sep, 10 2019 @ 12:32 AM
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originally posted by: dawnstar
a reply to: NarcolepticBuddha

The one well versed in sports enough to carry on a conversation with the boss about this weeks college football games?


I never get along with supervisors. I worked with not one, not two, but three who tried to get me fired. Oops I still have a job and not all of them do! In fact I make more than some now..

I will never lick butt to get ahead. I do consistently good work and make myself needed in the workplace

Look, I don't have the secret. I just get out there and bust my ass and don't give up even when I really really want to.

It ain't no magic trick. If I can do it, y'all should be doing it better than my sleepy dumb ass.





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posted on Sep, 10 2019 @ 12:37 AM
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a reply to: NarcolepticBuddha

Been there, done that...
Forced into early retirement because of disability.
Too old to justify to myself using tax money to get retrained and cant do what I was doing.



posted on Sep, 10 2019 @ 02:37 AM
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The bottom half the population in this country is financially broke. I guess they're all the lazy sponges just sucking up tax your dollars lets sterilize them.

I don't blame the poor. The people at the top are stealing more from you then some lady getting food stamps to feed her 3 kids.

LOL and people think the poor are the problem.



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