Vegan extremist gets spanked - for trespassing and stealing, then cries foul

a reply to: FinallyAwake

Better than the death they'd likely receive in the wild. I mean there's a very small chance I suppose they might live to old age and die in their sleep in the wild, but by and large, the death they receive by human hands will be quicker, less painful and involve less terror than most deaths they are likely to receive in the wild. I'm not sure how else you could define a death as more humane?

Also for those mentioning factory farms. I agree, they suck. Want to fix that? Support alternative farming by researching and buying their product and help such companies by advertising their products to your friends. The least useful options to correcting factory farms is both buying factory farm products or swearing off meat.

Yeah I read that story and apparently more info came out that over 90 baby bunnies ended dying as a result of this botched raid.

a reply to: TheRedneck

Hi redneck,
At first i made a reply with a lot of examples of healthy vegans who show their blood-work, but I ended up losing that page due to being inactive for awhile on my computer. So i make the argument that there is many healthy long-term vegans who are active and have healthy blood-work. You just have to look for it. One example i gave was the YouTuber under the name, "HappyHealthyVegan". He often shows his bloodwork and his ability to play basketball and dunk on fools at an old age.

Furthermore, there are extremist in every group. I don't support these activists. Iv'e also seen plenty of "raw-meat" activists that go into vegan restaurants and eat raw meat in front of everyone. Yet, somehow, they don't get the trope of being "annoying". Vegans are just 1-2% of the population and it's the loud annoying ones that get the attention. Most people practice activism by never bying meat products.

Which brings me to my other point. Vegans aren't all the same. I am a vegan and i support (law-abiding) hunters and people who eat meat that comes from ethically raised farms. I think this is an issue of putting people into boxes and having them go at each other. Iv'e met highly intelligent liberals and republicans who aren't racist, extreme socialists, or have endless agendas. The loudest people are often the dumbest with some few exceptions. I love joe rogan and he is a renown meat-eater. Yet, he at least advocates for hunting animals (for good reasons) and not eating factory farmed animals.

The tendency to go to the extreme is strong in human nature. We can't take those people who fall into that trap as the representative of the whole, because they are not.

The last topic is nutrition and this is a wierd one because, after doing some research on your referenced page, i have come to the conclusion that this is too complex for one thread response. . Many of the nutrients you mention in the article can be created when not taken in directly through food sources. The ones that can't be created are fairly easy to obtain through vegan options.

One example is B-vitamins which, as your article states, can be obtained through enriched food (b-vitamins are cheap and inexpensive now) and also through seaweed. I took a look at creatine, which your site suggest some vegans may be lacking due to only relying on your body to reproduce it.

Hmm.. That might be so. I haven't the time to look into that. However, nutrition is complicated subject as many people are influenced and/or controlled under corporate studies that have an affiliation with the meat industry.

Then furthermore, studies are VERY new when you look at the date of the studies and not totally conclusive on their conclusions.

However, if enough studies are done and a respected board of science says vegans need to take more of _______ (such as creatine) then i will end up taking that. Maybe a diet of 20% meat and 80% veggies is the best diet. Or maybe not. I can't pretend to know to have the ultimate nutritional awnser, Mr. Redneck. I am vegan mostly out of spiritual and ethical means. As your article says, vegan diets are very healthy, but can be missing things things without the right supplementation.

Maybe so.. I rather spend $30 a month on supplements than resort to go back to eating animals. And that's just me. If you like eating animals and can do it ethically, then im all for you.

I try to be in the middle ground as much as possible, i just have no sympathy for anyone who practices factory farming.

a reply to: TheRedneck

I also wanted to add that there are hundred of industry funded "studies" that try to show dairy and meat as being the only option. Vegans pull in a very small amount of money compared to the meat and dairy industrys. Therefore, increasing the amount of industry shills they can enlist.

One such example is the recent articles about choline creating inefficiencies in your brain. Well, "happy healthy vegan" dispels these articles as being linked to one author who is linked to the meat industries. As shown bellow :



As the video shows, it's based on a study and assumption done by industry associated folk who have it in their best interests to lead people towards a meat and dairy lifestyle.

I just wanted to show you that because there are hundreds of these nonsense articles out there based on industry-funded studies. Now, like i said, i don't pretend to know that veganism is the optimal diet. Maybe it isnt!

I just want to show that you can't believe everything you read online about vegan health.

a reply to: blueman12

You know, I can't actually refute a single word of what you wrote. I'm not a nutritionist; I have, what we call around here, "just enough knowledge to be dangerous."

My idea I put forth was really not to show that there was a problem with being vegan. I harbor no ill will toward you for being so, and I would even consider accommodating your wishes if you were my guest. Not including broccoli, of course. I draw the line at eating miniature alien trees. But that's for another thread.

I certainly would not destroy my own dining pleasure just to irritate someone else for not liking what I eat. That would be almost as bad as the woman in the story that started this thread.

What I was getting at was not that being vegan would cause such a lack of cognitive ability (at lest with supplements), but that being vegan without supplements could cause it. If that is true, then it could follow that perhaps factory farming, which we are both apparently against, could be the cause of similar issues in the general population. As a vegan, you know to spend the money on supplements; those not trying to be vegan would not likely consider "vegan" supplements to be important, yet it is possible that the needed items could be less prevalent or even missing in factory farmed meat. Ergo, they could be experiencing an actual medical problem that is treatable.

You have to admit, the last three years at least have been a rollercoaster ride of stories that literally defy reason... like someone taking time out of their day just to eat raw meat in front of someone who doesn't want to see it. That's not exactly indicative of higher brain function in itself.

TheRedneck

Just last November I became a vegetarian, and within the last two months have gone Vegan - though occasionally I slip and forget to order something with "no cheese" or there is gelatin or honey in a product where I didn't read the label thoroughly enough. I take no supplements. I've had nothing but positive health effects as far as I can tell. I dropped from 175 pounds, down to 135, lost a ton of fat, gained muscle, stopped snoring, and have more rested sleep. I am not sickly, nor do I pester those who eat meat, nor do I feel superiority toward anyone for the way they choose to live their lives.

I am not one to try to lecture Veganism to anyone, as I cannot cite an example of any adult ever changing their minds or habits due to being convinced by another person - they must come to these decisions to change based on their own experiences or research. To me Veganism isn't about perfection, it's about doing better. Its not just a diet, but about being less impacting upon the planet. I woke up one day and it was like a switch had been flipped. I initially wanted to make a change of diet to better my health. Over the course of a few weeks of researching recipes and meal planning, and stumbling upon slaughterhouse videos, becoming healthier became secondary to the notion that I could not call myself an animal lover, and still consume their meat.

That being said, I wouldn't trespass or break laws in order to liberate any animals, because everyone has the right to live their lives as they want without being infringed upon by someone who happens to have different beliefs or was raised differently, or has their own unique struggles. Activism doesn't have to be about shocking the system.You can peacefully protest, educate, or become more involved with the community on a local level.

Gosh, it's been a long while since I've bothered signing in to post, and have just gone back to lurking. ATS has changed so much, and it doesn't seem to be for the better. Lots of posts with no actual substance, and people just looking to chime in for Stars and such. Whatever happened to citing sources and providing actual facts, and not just spouting opinions? There is so much name calling and subtle sleights toward one another, and its coming from all ends of the spectrum. Whatever happened to getting along to get along? Agreeing to disagree?

And to add...I did not cite any sources, but would be willing to do so if anyone were interested in knowing more about statistics of water consumption, overpopulation, recipes, or meat and dairy alternatives and where to find them. Love to all.

a reply to: blueman12

Not sure why you included the mcdonalds video in your post. I actually thought the McDonalds wasn't a waste of people's time.

How so. Oh in your mind because McDonalds may be a bad corporate citizen its ok to smear blood and attack the local franchise run by a "local franchisor" who put his money on the line running a legal business.

Anyone who eat's at McD's should at least be aware they are eating tortured animals

There are correct ways of going about educating people.

a reply to: TheConstruKctionofLight

Yea there are much better ways of educating folks but no sympathy for mcdonalds.

They sell poison made out of tortured animals.

Does the franchisee care that they sell poison? Nope. Far game.