The dystopian future is here. Billboard targeting Black women equates abortion to self-care.

originally posted by: dawnstar
a reply to: ketsuko

When was sex ever respected that way?
Only in the leave it to beaver world.

When you knew that if you did it, there was a good chance you'd get pregnant.

Perhaps you are thinking respect in a different context than I am. I am thinking of respect in the same way I would respect a large, dangerous animal. Sure, it's magnificent and awesome (so is sex), but it has the potential to wreck my life as I know it too.

So you treat the idea with respect.

a reply to: DBCowboy

Anymore I just shrug at the whole debate because it reminds me of Carousel in Logan’s Run when hearing the merits of abortion. Or the little old ladies in Germany that kept secret Nazi rooms in their houses because they were sold on the ideas in their youth and turned a blind eye to the atrocities. Marx and Ingles laid out persuasive arguments in The Communist Manifesto without once addressing what could happen exchanging freedom for an absolutely dependent serfdom.

In the end; their body, their choice is such a catchy slogan. But I wonder if they ever notice the stain on their soul? Or even the events of time that are changed due to the outcomes of lost interactions? What I mean is that although neither of us are huge impacts on each other’s lives, we do interact. Which if nothing else we have a laugh now and then between us. Couldn’t have happened if either of were aborted. Which means someone else could not read our exchanges and have a chuckle or two.

My body, my choice...but the hell with the future people that would have had the child as friend or spouse in adulthood. They can eat # and die.

a reply to: Ahabstar

"My body, my choice...but the hell with the future people that would have had the child as friend or spouse in adulthood. They can eat # and die. "

A fitting epitaph.

a reply to: DBCowboy

Reminded of the day the drunk driving group pulled people out of class at my high school and painted their faces white according to the statistic about 1 person loses their life to drunk driving every x-many seconds. So throughout the day, more and more people had their faces painted white and couldn't talk to anyone to try to drive home the point.

How many people walking around with white faces are there whose mother or father were adopted out instead of aborted?

For me, husband, son, two nephews, a cousin ... That's a huge hole in my day gone if they'd never been born.

a reply to: gladtobehere
Dystopia arrived when the state of Georgia required women to have a probe inserted deep in the vagina (known as a trans-vaginal ultrasound) to ensure a fetus has gestated for less than five weeks.

Dystopia arrived when Alabama made the womb the jurisdiction of the state.

A billboard, which amounts to speech, does not signal dystopia. The states are stripping the body autonomy of women legislatively. That's dystopia.

a reply to: ketsuko

And they did it anyway.
They might have had to find a mistress or prostitute to do it with if the ole ball and chain decided that she had enough kids underfoot but they still did it. And the women had abortions.
Before we can get to the point where sex is respected as a creative force we have to actually find respect for each other. I don't think we are quite there yet.

originally posted by: dawnstar
a reply to: Bloodworth

Molesting a nine year old and impregnating her with twins is forgivable in your gods eyes according to the Catholic church but terminating the pregnancy that you are pretty sure would kill her is a good reason to blot their names out of the book of life.
Either your God doesn't give a dang about over half of the human race he created or what is more likely the men that created him in their image didn't give a dang.

If you dont ask for forgiveness and are deemed not sincere, hell is where you go

a reply to: Bloodworth

and why, pray tell, should any doctor, nurse, or mother feel that they need forgiveness for saving a nine year old from a pregnancy??

originally posted by: dawnstar
a reply to: Bloodworth

and why, pray tell, should any doctor, nurse, or mother feel that they need forgiveness for saving a nine year old from a pregnancy??

I was speaking of women who dont have protected sex and have had multiple.
I was taking about the teen who had 2 before high school, but keeping the 3rd .
The porn star who forgot to take her pill
People who perform late term. Abortions

The parents aborting their raped 9 year old during the first 2 months is ok, dont worry about that

a reply to: icanteven

NO, it arrived when the supposed higher functioning Humans decided that not being able to keep their damn legs shut means they could start taking lives because "inconvenience".

originally posted by: dawnstar
a reply to: Bloodworth

and why, pray tell, should any doctor, nurse, or mother feel that they need forgiveness for saving a nine year old from a pregnancy??

And why, pray tell, do you always default to that excuse when you know that statistically it's about the least likely scenario of all abortions performed? Even medically necessary ones are far more common, and *those* are far less common than the ones done because someone just didn't feel like putting on the condom that night and ... oops! we got preggers ...

originally posted by: ketsuko

originally posted by: Woodcarver

originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: Boadicea

Not targeting you specifically, but the argument in general.

Out of such arguments, many of our present dilemmas are born, including the high rate of broken families in society. All of this is causing a lot of problems top to bottom.

And you want to fix this by forcing women to have more kids they don’t want?

I'd rather fix this by restoring sex back to an activity we respect for what it does - create new life. Instead of treating it like we do now - a cheap Friday recreational activity to enjoy with that chick at the end of the bar who looks really hawt now that you've both had a few beers.

Oh yea? You’re gonna change that for everybody? Maybe make a new law? Ban sex? Lol. Why don’t you run for president and make Some t-shirts.

a reply to: Bloodworth

And I was speaking about an actual nine year old south American girl who had been molested by a family member and found to be pregnant with twins in a country where the Catholic church has a little more power than they do here in the state's.
The doctors and nurse's said that the pregnancy would damage the girls health and there was a good chance it would kill her. They took it to court trying to get the govt to allow her an abortion. The Catholic church spoke out against it and tried to put pressure on the govt to not allow it. Eventually they agreed to allow it and the abortion was performed.
Originally the church was going to excommunicate not only the medical staff that did the abortion But also the mother who fought so hard for her daughter's health and probably life. And because they had to jump through a bunch of legal hurdles the abortion that should have taken place asap was delayed a month or two.
But that original decision was reversed and the mother was let off the book.
Interesting that the man who did this to a nine year old child, although he did jail time, his crime wasn't considered bad enough to warrant excommunication. Just like the priests who have abused little children were protected by the church.
Right now we have a bunch of laws in the pike and some of them have no exception for rape or incest. If they were to actually be enforce I think you can forget about
any future nine year old in similar circumstances being able to have it taken care of in the first couple of months because the doctor will either be more inclined to have a wait and see attitude and not intervene until there is no way to deny the child's life is threatened or it will wind up tied up in court for a few months.
I won't go far as to day that God
Doesn't really care much for the females in the human race but the men who have took it upon themselves throughout history don't seem to have cared much for them.

a reply to: ketsuko

Don't know why do prolifers want to portray the fetus as this fully formed little baby in all their posters when most abortions are done early in pregnancy and the fetus looks nothing like the images on the poster? Why do they attack late term abortions so much when a high percentage of them consists of those rare cases?
And pray tell. Who is responsible for putting the condom onto their body? I mean for that condom to be most effective it is suggested that the women also be taking precautions be it spermicide or whatever. (Planned parenthood taught me that much after they told me that hormonal birth control was getting to be too risky)
While she is doing her thing you'd think the guy could be at least responsible enough to take care of himself.
Back to my point about the nine year old girl as well as my point regarding sex and respect.
When religious institutions that still hold quite a bit of influence in the world show so little regard to woman and children that they view saving a little nine year old girl from a dangerous pregnancy a non-pardonable sin and far worse than the act that impregnated that girl then there can be no respect for the sexual act itself because there is no respect being shown to the female half of the human race.

a reply to: gladtobehere

Did you or anyone else on this thread bother to read what the women have to say and why they are saying it?



www.essence.com...

Key findings include:

In the rural South, more than 1 in 4 children and nearly as many women live in poverty; the poverty rate is more than double for African-Americans and Latinos compared to their white counterparts.

In rural Georgia, Alabama and Mississippi, white women were four times more likely to be employed and Black women earned nearly one-third less than white women.

In Clay County, Georgia, 36 percent of Black women had less than a high school diploma compared to 8 percent of white women.

Nearly 80 percent of the 4.8 million uninsured U.S. adults who fall into the coverage gap that would be alleviated by Medicaid expansion live in the South.

In Georgia, the teen pregnancy rate in rural counties was more than double the state rate, and the teen birth rate was at least 20 percent higher.

Of the 19 million Americans without broadband Internet access, 14.5 million live in rural counties.

In 2012, of the $4.8 billion philanthropic investments allocated to the South, just 5.4 percent went to programs focused on women and girls and less than 1 percent to programs focused on Black women and girls.

srbwi.org.../news/story/unequal-lives

originally posted by: LSU2018

originally posted by: Woodcarver
a reply to: gladtobehere

Stay out of other people’s business

What about the baby who isn't getting a voice? What about their business? Just because they're inside the mother's body doesn't give the mother the right to end their life.

They don’t get a voice. It’s not a person. Look up the legal definition of person. The clump of cells does not meet that standard. It needs the consent of the mother to use her body to form into a viable person.

originally posted by: Boadicea
a reply to: Woodcarver

Funny... first you come to a conclusion based upon those exact same words and now they make no sense...

Except they do make sense. They make perfect sense and you know it. Men have complete control over where, when and how they spill their seed. Therefore, men have complete control over the impregnation of others.

Nope. It’s her body and his seed. Neither can make a child without the other. That means the responsibility is exactly 50/50.

a reply to: Woodcarver

Nope. It’s her body and his seed. Neither can make a child without the other. That means the responsibility is exactly 50/50.

Exactly. So the man is equally responsible for the outcome. Therefore, at the very least, the fathers should be subject to the same penalties as the mother. Whether he is aware of the pregnancy or not, whether he is aware of the abortion or not. He also created a child, he also has a parental responsibility for that child, which was neglected at best, and abandoned at worst, with reckless endangerment on top of it.

originally posted by: Boadicea
a reply to: Woodcarver

Nope. It’s her body and his seed. Neither can make a child without the other. That means the responsibility is exactly 50/50.

Exactly. So the man is equally responsible for the outcome. Therefore, at the very least, the fathers should be subject to the same penalties as the mother. Whether he is aware of the pregnancy or not, whether he is aware of the abortion or not. He also created a child, he also has a parental responsibility for that child, which was neglected at best, and abandoned at worst, with reckless endangerment on top of it.

What penalties? Just let people who want to have children have them, and those who don’t want children, can get abortions. Stay out of people’s business and let them make their own decisions.

a reply to: Woodcarver

What penalties?

Any penalties imposed on the mother for having an abortion... including spontaneous abortions deemed "avoidable" or suspected to be induced...