America - You are the biggest threat to world peace

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: putnam6

originally posted by: TheConstruKctionofLight
a reply to: putnam6

LOL ITS YOUR ARTICLE YOU POSTED LAST PARAGRAPH JAN 16TH 2019 THIS YEAR...

www.maritime-executive.com... f-of-guinea-led-the-world-for-piracy-in-2018

I apologize for sounding like an azz its really not why I've been on ATS all these years its about learning other viewpoints and hopefully expanding my horizons, cause none of us is 100 percent right so its better to have an open mind. Not my intention to be antagonistic, have read most of your articles and posts about this to understand where other people are.

OK, I see it now. The article was about piracy in 2018 but was obviously updated recently.

It doesn't actually say that there was no piracy. The live map shows that there is still some and the reduction began back before Trump.

The history shows that there were 237 incidents in 2011 and zero in 2015. Then as outlined in the articles, there were 3 attacks in 2017, which seemed at the time to be a resurgence (and, as one of them was an oil tanker, rather than a fishing boat, was fairly sensational).

On further reading, it appears that in 2015 the Chinese naval facility in Obock, Djibouti began escorting commercial Chinese cargo ships and that was coincident with an absence of piracy.

There was also a 33 nation international task force (CTF-150) established and operated out of the US Navy base in Manama, Bahrain.

Between 2014-2017 the following CTF-150 ships had interdictions (which were all drug related and not piracy) HMAS Arunta, USS Laboon, HMAS Darwin, HMS Somerset, HMAS Darwin, HMS Defender, the Surcouf and HMS Monmouth.

So, I really don't think America can take all the credit.

LOL Again I was referring to Somalia as that was the region we were discussing. But seriously not here to hound you on individual points but more interested in why your view of America is so skewed. All governments are likely to have corrupt influences, America's are just more high profile, but not more important to an individual's life. Even here in America, our national politics have less influence on our daily lives than local politics. It all starts at your home, your town, your city.

We have become obsessed with controlling national and even world politics, when its still better to have a tighter focus on things you can influence individually. Its why I dont get non Americans overtly obsessed with American politics, its all a racket and corrupt both sides.

Civilizations progressing as slow as the ones In the
Middle east have always been prime for taking over...

Their chants of death to America are being answered

The way they treat women gays and children will.be resolved

a reply to: Bloodworth

Pff, there's worse stuff happening in Iraq and SA. Will you pay for it with taxes and life?

Had China bought one or two tankers to screw US sanctions and keep Iran selling the first-deal-minimum - that would actually stabilize the situation.
And it would be very funny

a reply to: TheConstruKctionofLight

I agree.

originally posted by: PapagiorgioCZ
a reply to: Bloodworth

Pff, there's worse stuff happening in Iraq and SA. Will you pay for it with taxes and life?

Had China bought one or two tankers to screw US sanctions and keep Iran selling the first-deal-minimum - that would actually stabilize the situation.
And it would be very funny

Running out of countries to choose from.
Got Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, Egypt, Syria held strong.
What's left sa or Iran.

Chants of death to America are fine with you?

Team Trump cannot explain the Iranian threat, Venezuelan threat either for that matter, because the only threat is America, how it bullies other nations into submission, our allies even. That's what America has become, the world's greatest bully and terrorist. It's leadership should be charged and imprisoned for war crimes. I'm an American, lived here all my life, and am utterly disgusted with what we present to the world in the name of peace, democracy, etc. when we live by a morally corrupt code.

a reply to: proteus33

So you missed the part of the takedown of Iran being on the agenda for quite a while?



(MEK a declared terrorist organization)


Giuliani Leads MEK "Regime Change" Chant

a reply to: JoeGee

And yet the US drooped nukes just as Japan was ready to surrender

a reply to: mekhanics

Take your pick - history speaks for itself


en.wikipedia.org...-century_wars

a reply to: Lucid Lunacy

Islam works surreptitiously - the US manufactures the narrative to invade when needed for its corporate masters.

One has only to look at the increase of drug trafficking from Afghanistan in the last few years. The US protects the poppy fields.

a reply to: TheSteppenwolf

What period are you talking about - and can you word this a bit clearer?

correlated with the drop in extreme poverty and war.

a reply to: TheConstruKctionofLight

It's true they need to get Bolton and any influence of any the neocons out of there.
If Trump had advisers that favor peace over brute force to implement policy, he could be a driving force for peace.
If people Tulsi Gabbard & Ron Paul were advising him we would be in a different place.

a reply to: Gothmog

I'm talking about false narratives. After 911 - Cheney pushed for war with Iraq

study.com...

Dick Cheney '

'We now know that Saddam Hussein has resumed his efforts to acquire nuclear weapons...Simply stated, there is no doubt that that Saddam Hussein now has weapons of mass destruction. There is no doubt that he is amassing them to use against our friends, against our allies, and against us.''

Speaking in August 2002, Vice-President Dick Cheney was trying to justify a new war, one that would turn out to be unpopular, costly, and deadly. Let's look more closely at Dick Cheney and his role in the Iraq War.

You asked me to name narratives created for invasions. I provided such.

originally posted by: TheConstruKctionofLight
a reply to: TheSteppenwolf

What period are you talking about - and can you word this a bit clearer?

correlated with the drop in extreme poverty and war.

I could, but not for you.

The period is called The long peace.

So much for greatest threat to world peace. You enjoy unprecedented peace at the same time you condemn those who protect you will you sleep.

a reply to: ElectricUniverse

Before the overthrow of the Shah by the Mullahs do you think the Iranians were a happy lot. Just look at the tactics of the CIA in training the Shahs death squad - Savak

Do you think the Iranians trust the US not to interfere in their internal affairs?


en.wikipedia.org...

A U.S. Army colonel working for the CIA was sent to Persia in September 1953 to work with General Teymur Bakhtiar, who was appointed military governor of Tehran in December 1953 and immediately began to assemble the nucleus of a new intelligence organization. The U.S. Army colonel worked closely with Bakhtīār and his subordinates, commanding the new intelligence organization and training its members in basic intelligence techniques, such as surveillance and interrogation methods, the use of intelligence networks, and organizational security. This organization was the first modern, effective intelligence service to operate in Persia. Its main achievement occurred in September 1954, when it discovered and destroyed a large communist Tudeh Party network that had been established in the Persian armed forces[9][10]

a reply to: ElectricUniverse

you, an Australian, want a world body that is mostly socialist, if not full blown communist except for a few nations, should rule the U.S... You, as an Australian, don't even have the right to choose whom your Prime Minister will be... Perhaps you should focus on your rights first before claiming other countries should be prosecuted for your historical revisionism...

I am not a socialist - I just see that crony capitalism has taken over the US. Are we still looking for reds under the bed? McCarthyism?

We vote for the party, the PM is chosen by the party. The PM still has to be a voted rep of the people.

Your presidents spend over $200-500 million to get in. Can any ordinary citizen aspire to that without help from "big donors" who would expect payback?

BTW I do get to call out the hypocrisy of the US - we've been asked by the US in the past to stir the hornets nest with China - in the disputed waters, if you've been following world affairs you would know this.

Would America have our back if China launched an attack on Australia, or would we be a pawn like in the past.

a reply to: Lumenari

However, we have yet to kill millions of people for an ideology.

Direct deaths hahahaha - starvation, instability, depleted uranium, wastelands, - why change the goal posts. I'm talking about Iran being next in the firing line.

Ideology? Since when has that been the real reasons for war. sheesh...come on you're smarter than that.

a reply to: IlluminatiTechnician

I have many posts if you look at my participation in threads to do with Islam sounding their dismantling of the Western tradition. In know the real threat of Islam.

I dont think reducing Iran to rubble like Iraq will solve that. If anything it creates perpetual wars with new generations of middle eastern orphans being radicalized.

As to America being weakened on the inside out - thats been going on since the 1960's.

America can be great again without perpetuating a war economy.

Come back and speak to me when you get rid of the MIC lobbyists out of the Pentagon and Congress.

a reply to: Bloodworth

Civilizations progressing as slow as the ones In the Middle east have always been prime for taking over.

Just think how far civilization would have progressed without these contrived wars. Al that wasted money and misery.

a reply to: TheSteppenwolf

from your link

World War II in 1945 to the present day.[1][2] The period of the Cold War (1945–1991)

Tell that to the millions killed and displaced in that period - or don't they count?