This is why I believe in the death penalty

How many people are executed who turned out innocent?

Happens that often?

There are thousands and thousands of disgusting videos out there of adults raping kids for porn.

There is 100% proof

Those people should be executed...the police who have to deal with it break down in months.
It's too tough to see

Now imagine you lived in a small town and didint have the means to make sure these child rapist were detained.

Imagine you had little money and evey month a man came to your house and said we need some of your money...the child rapist are hungry, one need some dental work. And the other wants conjugal visits..

What a joke.....

In America they are rich and where the money goes is hidden so they have the means to take care of child rapist.

if any normal person saw this done to a baby by a grown grown man , they should opt for death nothing else.

And that saying well it cost more to execute someone...what a joke...
Google what it costs to house an inmate and do the math for life.

If someone is 100% guilty they should be executed within the year.

Huge savings

Who can actually stand there and ask to spare the life of a child rapist?
Please dont kill the rapist, let's pay for his life in jail?
Scary mentality

a reply to: Jg513

Take the crime committed in this example. Two black males rob this poor woman and while she turns away, one shoots her in the back and kills her in cold blood for no other reason than hatred and disregard for human life.

In turn, we should disregard his life, and he should be executed.

We see situations like this daily. Something needs to be done, examples need to be made.

Wow this is one messed up conversation, I'm quite surprised no one has come up with giving the death penalty to abortion advocates, they are after all murderers in some people's minds.

It would be far simpler to let all the people that think other people deserve to die to just kill each other off, you want to fix the world, well hop to it already, stop flapping your gums and get to it...

a reply to: RandomPerson

Escalation and revenge is not the way to go. No state should have the right to kill its population no matter what.
Sure this two criminals did a horrible thing, but they're a product of the society that created them. They're the symptom of what is wrong not the cause.
America is the richtest nation of the world, yet there are bambinis growing up learning that their parents have to steal, struggle and fight to feed them. That is the problem. There are too many people with no place in society and that has to lead un-/anti-social behaviour.
If all you learn is that people despise you and hate you, you have no reason to be a constructive member of that society.
Instead of shunning poor people show some kindness, invite their children to learn people are good.

originally posted by: surfer_soul
a reply to: Bloodworth

Like I said previously I can think of worse punishments than death, try reading the whole thread or do you prefer colouring books?

Cruel or unusual punishments are unconstitutional. Won't be happening.

a reply to: JAGStorm

I dont think anyone has the right to decide who lives or dies !

regardless of crimes committed

a reply to: roadgravel

Only when applied to US citizens its unconstitutional, but its ok for the US to torture anyone they deem an "enemy" without any sanctions from any other world nation !

A major problem with the death penalty is that it truly serves no purpose other than revenge. Certainly a Christian should not support the death penalty as vengeance is saved for God's hand. On an objective front, the death penalty (1) does not resurrect a person from the dead (2) does not deter people from murdering (3) does not apply the same standard to all people (4) does not fit logic, that murder is wrong thus punishable by death; and more. But perhaps the absolute worst thing of all is the many people who are on death row or who have been put to death that were in fact innocent of the charges that put them on death row. What can be worse than putting an innocent person to death, that cannot be undone in the name of justice?

Robbing convenience stores and restaurants takes scum and stupidity.its a business that is either mom and pop n starts day with maybe $40 in the register or it's a national chain and they have strict policy both Convenience Store and restaurant anytime somebody has over $50 in the till he must deposit half of it in a safe that can be opened once a week at a certain time by two ers with speratw keys...

I have mentioned it before here but I always think about a Jack In the Box down the street frofrm where I usually as I if in the US. These two guys came into the place one night Rob's the three kids working there 15 16 and 17 years old I think it was tied him up put them in the freezer but as they kids celebrated and untied each other they heard an argument between the robbers who hadreturned r and one said that they could not leave them to identify them so in omez one of the bad guys and puts a bullet in the back of each of their heads as they beg their lives. They made it out with 17 or 21 dollars or so. Ten bucks each to leave three chchldren, murdered having lived the last second of life given a rush of relirelef that must have seemeseemd godsent then have it ripped away and die in terror.
Death isnt enough fo such a crime. I Think torture i only fair if no question on culpability. Or turn the two loose on the kids families with baseball bats. it just dosn matter. don't need to us human and humane arguments with scum whch isn't evn insect much less humant

a reply to: AlexandrosTheGreat

There was a guy who had a good job, his wife worked too, two beautiful children and they lost their jobs, they tried their best, but the only job the father of the household could get was as farmhand, working on a day to day basis. The savings went out of the window, the mother and children went homeless while he was far away working his ass off.
Long story short he accidentally killed a guy.
Should he be killed too? If a jury decides, he wasn't acting in self defence?
It's not like there is some forensic proof for, or against it. It's entirely the opinion of people that decides if a man lives or dies. Personally I feel that life and death should be decided on more than just an opinion of a bunch of strangers who weren't there.

And in the case of these two in the OP I would also suggest we keep in mind the one shooting, has a thousands of hours long lifetime story to tell about what brought him there.

originally posted by: Peeple
a reply to: AlexandrosTheGreat


Long story short he accidentally killed a guy.
Should he be killed too? If a jury decides, he wasn't acting in self defence?
It's not like there is some forensic proof for, or against it. It's entirely the opinion of people that decides if a man lives or dies. Personally I feel that life and death should be decided on more than just an opinion of a bunch of strangers who weren't there.

And in the case of these two in the OP I would also suggest we keep in mind the one shooting, has a thousands of hours long lifetime story to tell about what brought him there.

C'mon we aren't talking about "what if" cases. Yes our justice system needs some work. I don't think anyone would argue with that. As far as some VERY clear cut cases, yes some people do not deserve to live with society, or as you call "a bunch of strangers".

Those shop owners were strangers, the bad guys decided that she didn't get to live. She had thousands of hours life stories. I can 100% 1000000000% guarantee you her life struggles were significantly worse than these two thugs.

Just image, it is war time, half your family is dead, your country is being stretched from corner to corner and torn apart. You are starving. You will eat anything. You will eat things you don't ever want to talk about. You barely escape with your life. You come to America as a true asylum seeker. You start a life here, working to the bone. You are discriminated against because you look different, sound different, but you carry on. You work, you work. Eventually things become easier. You are part of a neighborhood. You go to school at night to learn the language. You are American. You work. You give back to your community. After decades you become a fixture of the community. You work. You give back.

That is until one day a thug comes in and wants ten bucks and a candy bar and decides an old lady doesn't get to live that day..............................................................................

end of story.. except, it isn't a story this is reality. One that many people don't want to accept.

a reply to: JAGStorm

And I tell you why, because that thug had a mother wo brought him in this world naked and innocent. Something happened to him that made him this way. To kill him won't prevent that from happening again to others. And I am pretty sure the dead one doesn't come back to life.
You need prevention, tons of social workers. Ensure every child has a place where it learns to be a part of society.

a reply to: Bloodworth

Happens too often, how many innocents being killed is acceptable to you I posted a link with a looooonnng list of names.
I guess it's all acceptable till it's you or yours.

originally posted by: Jg513

originally posted by: OccamsRazor04
a reply to: alldaylong

How about those who murder and rape, get out, and do it again? Which happens more often?

The answer to your question is we need to hold the justice system accountable, they need to be interested in finding the guilty, not a guilty verdict. Death penalty for people who sentence intentionally sentence innocent people to death.

Actually happens a lot more than you'd think. Also just pointing this out because I see alot of other people commenting on DNA, but DNA is not this fail safe undeniable proof that tv shows make it out to be. Its actually quite possible for DNA evidence to be completely wrong and the reason that an innocent person goes to jail, or worse sentenced to death...i've read about a case where a man was convicted because the forensics "matched his hair" at the crime scene. Long story short eventually his lawers were able to re examine the evidence years later only to find out it was actually dog hair. Not even human. Stuff like this happens all the time in our justice system. Other forms of dna evidence also have their flaws and i've seen multiple accounts of it resulting in bad convictions. It is a thing they are looking at though, one of the first things I remember covering in my CJ classes, they pointed out that dna evidence may become close to lie detectors in the future the more they learn about its reliability.

I agree with your second half though and your 100% right. When's the last time you guys seen a prosecutor get held accountable for shady crap? Innocent people get hurt because they care more about conviction rates than actual justice.

Yup, crooked cops, crooked labs, crooked prosecutors..unless the system is infallible, it can't be used(death penalty)

I don't feel this way because I have sympathy for bad people, it's because plenty of innocent people have been railroaded by a corrupt unjust system.

I have read here..it's only a few innocent people ..WTF!!..psychopathic thinking IMHO!!

a reply to: Bloodworth

Was it really?

I'm assuming you're speaking of the so-called Wild Wild West??

It wasn't nearly so wild as movies and novels would have us believe. Not because of "hang 'em at dawn", but because many people were armed, and somewhat dangerous... Many of them were Civil War veterans who had, as they say, been there, done that, and would be less than terrified of some goober waving a gun around, or a knife.

Public hanging is little more than blood sport. It won't deter truly hardened criminals, who usually feel they're smarter than the law dogs out hunting 'em. It might deter an angry young not quite yet criminal, but given the sheer numbers of those, I doubt it'd make much of an impact.

There are better deterants around. Up to us to find 'em.

a reply to: seagull

Then isn't torture not any longer a joke but an actual answer? I would think most people would rather die than be tortured so it definitely satisfies need for a new deterrent it also satisfies all parties because the family who wants an eye for an eye gets to know he suffered immensely and for some time while it still spares his life in the end.

I don't think this is an issue that has a global, one-size-fits-all solution. Sounds like each case should be addressed individually with everyone personally involved weighing in. I suppose death should be like birth. Anyone not immediately involved can butt out.

originally posted by: roadgravel

originally posted by: surfer_soul
a reply to: Bloodworth

Like I said previously I can think of worse punishments than death, try reading the whole thread or do you prefer colouring books?

Cruel or unusual punishments are unconstitutional. Won't be happening.

If you saw a video of a man raping a toddler for 30 minutes, you would opt to spare that man's life?

Provide food, shelter, and medical for life?

I'm not talking about what unconstitutional, I'm talking about what's right or wrong.

Because some humans, their natural instinct is to attack a person they witnessed raping a child.

And there are also some humans who will stand in front of the child rapist and play defense and argue to not harm and spare the man's life.

Hopefully more have the 1st view

originally posted by: vonclod

originally posted by: Gothmog
a reply to: lowballer

Prosecutors and cops many times rush wrong person to judgment.

Good thing they are not judges and jurors , huh ?
Geez

Jurors..lmao, like they are some kind of gold standard.

Basically , yes.
Been one multiple times.
You ?

a reply to: Gothmog

No, was called to jury duty once, couldn't do it, or I would of ended up unemployed.