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This is why I believe in the death penalty

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posted on May, 2 2019 @ 01:10 AM
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This is why I have trouble with the death penalty.
deathpenaltyinfo.org...

American justice is a joke.




posted on May, 2 2019 @ 01:13 AM
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originally posted by: Gothmog
a reply to: lowballer




Prosecutors and cops many times rush wrong person to judgment.

Good thing they are not judges and jurors , huh ?
Geez


Jurors..lmao, like they are some kind of gold standard.



posted on May, 2 2019 @ 01:26 AM
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a reply to: alldaylong

very true but with dna testing its getting pretty full proof



posted on May, 2 2019 @ 01:33 AM
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a reply to: OccamsRazor04

i read the daily mail regularly and its full of cases of people being killed and getting sentences like 18yrs no death penalty and dip sh--t judges



posted on May, 2 2019 @ 02:08 AM
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a reply to: JAGStorm

I feel bad for the widower and the community.

Case seems closed though. Do you support killing 16 year olds?

1 suspect in Puyallup convenience store killing in custody, the other washes up dead
Investigators have found the two suspected robbers who shot and killed a 79-year-old Puyallup store owner during a holdup at her convenience store.

One 16-year-old boy was arrested Wednesday morning in Northeast Tacoma. The other’s body washed up Monday with a gunshot wound.

The teens are believed to have robbed the Handy Corner Store Saturday and fatally shot owner Soon Ja Nam in the back after she gave them money from the cash register.

What then? Hold him in jail until he's 18 at taxpayer's expense then kill him?

The death penalty seems a strange thing to believe in. There are people who recite their creeds like:

I believe in …

The forgiveness of sins
The resurrection of the body
And life everlasting.

These beliefs seem to be in something that would be sort of beneficial. I don't quite see the benefit in death penalty. Lower taxes or something.

There are things I believe without believing in.

I believe that the U.S. will always have a death penalty.
I believe that some of the worst offenders against humanity will never be prosecuted, much less executed.
I believe that vigilante "justice" will increase in the U.S.
Said "justice" will still not reach to the worst of the worst.



posted on May, 2 2019 @ 02:23 AM
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Murdering a murderer to teach the murderer a lesson and to teach everyone else not to murder.

What a load of absolute nonsense.

I prefer not to sink to the level of the person that committed the murder. Others, clearly, have no such qualms.



posted on May, 2 2019 @ 02:50 AM
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There is a huge disparity in which race is out here committing the vast majority of violent crime and murder in America, but it’s racist to talk about the facts it seems.

As to what can be done about the situation, no solution will be looked upon favorably.

I guess just let it all happen, right? Don’t want to be called a supremacist or a nazi.

As for the death penalty, I’m all for it for the big three crimes. If you’re proven beyond a shadow of a doubt to have committed murder, rape, or child molestation, I believe you should automatically receive the death sentence to be carried out the very next day.



posted on May, 2 2019 @ 02:56 AM
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originally posted by: Kryties
Murdering a murderer to teach the murderer a lesson and to teach everyone else not to murder.

What a load of absolute nonsense.


What would you do instead? Put the murderer in rehab for a few years until you reckon he's cured and then turn him loose? Even if this could possibly actually work (and it might in some cases) the victims (their family) would probably not be too pleased about it. They tend to not particularly care about fixing someone who deprived them of their loved one.

So, what's left? You'd have to pretty much just lock them up and throw away the key. Which is fine if you believe that revenge is justice. But how is that significantly different than the idea that the death penalty is revenge? If you see revenge as justice, then it doesn't really matter which form of revenge it is. Life in prison or the death penalty will have pretty much the same outcome. Except life in prison is torture. You would be endorsing torturing a sick animal (essentially). How is that morally superior to murdering a murderer to teach them a lesson? I'm just curious. What exactly would you do that is morally superior to the death penalty?



posted on May, 2 2019 @ 02:58 AM
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originally posted by: BrianFlanders

originally posted by: Kryties
Murdering a murderer to teach the murderer a lesson and to teach everyone else not to murder.

What a load of absolute nonsense.


What would you do instead? Put the murderer in rehab for a few years until you reckon he's cured and then turn him loose? Even if this could possibly actually work (and it might in some cases) the victims (their family) would probably not be too pleased about it. They tend to not particularly care about fixing someone who deprived them of their loved one.

So, what's left? You'd have to pretty much just lock them up and throw away the key. Which is fine if you believe that revenge is justice. But how is that significantly different than the idea that the death penalty is revenge? If you see revenge as justice, then it doesn't really matter which form of revenge it is. Life in prison or the death penalty will have pretty much the same outcome. Except life in prison is torture. You would be endorsing torturing a sick animal (essentially). How is that morally superior to murdering a murderer to teach them a lesson? I'm just curious. What exactly would you do that is morally superior to the death penalty?



Your sensationalist, ignorant post serves only to indicate your lack of knowledge on the subject.



posted on May, 2 2019 @ 03:09 AM
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a reply to: Kryties

The death penalty is not about deterrent on a social level, though it is a deterrent on an individual level.

The death penalty is, and always has been, about vengeance on behalf of society, and those individuals who can not, or will not, usually both, exist with in certain parameters.

It deters few, if any, hardened criminal types.

I've always been betwixt and between where the death penalty is concerned. Certain crimes would seem to warrant departing this mortal coil prematurely. Others, not so much. Up to us, as a society, to decide which is which...



posted on May, 2 2019 @ 03:59 AM
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originally posted by: OccamsRazor04
a reply to: alldaylong

How about those who murder and rape, get out, and do it again? Which happens more often?

The answer to your question is we need to hold the justice system accountable, they need to be interested in finding the guilty, not a guilty verdict. Death penalty for people who sentence intentionally sentence innocent people to death.



Actually happens a lot more than you'd think. Also just pointing this out because I see alot of other people commenting on DNA, but DNA is not this fail safe undeniable proof that tv shows make it out to be. Its actually quite possible for DNA evidence to be completely wrong and the reason that an innocent person goes to jail, or worse sentenced to death...i've read about a case where a man was convicted because the forensics "matched his hair" at the crime scene. Long story short eventually his lawers were able to re examine the evidence years later only to find out it was actually dog hair. Not even human. Stuff like this happens all the time in our justice system. Other forms of dna evidence also have their flaws and i've seen multiple accounts of it resulting in bad convictions. It is a thing they are looking at though, one of the first things I remember covering in my CJ classes, they pointed out that dna evidence may become close to lie detectors in the future the more they learn about its reliability.

I agree with your second half though and your 100% right. When's the last time you guys seen a prosecutor get held accountable for shady crap? Innocent people get hurt because they care more about conviction rates than actual justice.



posted on May, 2 2019 @ 04:04 AM
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If evil people commit serious crimes and are 100% guilty.

What moron would want to waste money feeding and taking care of an evil person for life.

What a waste of time and money...

And it goes so far beyond jailing evil people that they now coddle them.

Meditation classes
Education classes
Work programs
Conjugal visits
Health care

And if your Muslim they will provide you a prayer rug. Special times to pray, some halal food.

Evil terrorist need care to.

People who kill and rape children are taken care of too good in America

I know people who dont mind going to jail if they can get into a position like the cooking crew.

Special hours. Keeps you busy. cook your own special meals.

Kids who see alot of their friends in jail and are use to it....laugh at the justice system and those who.defend their evil.actions.



posted on May, 2 2019 @ 04:06 AM
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originally posted by: seagull
a reply to: Kryties

The death penalty is not about deterrent on a social level, though it is a deterrent on an individual level.

The death penalty is, and always has been, about vengeance on behalf of society, and those individuals who can not, or will not, usually both, exist with in certain parameters.

It deters few, if any, hardened criminal types.

I've always been betwixt and between where the death penalty is concerned. Certain crimes would seem to warrant departing this mortal coil prematurely. Others, not so much. Up to us, as a society, to decide which is which...


When people were hung and executed in public the deterrence was great.

Now with heath care in prison, conjugal visits, and education. The deterrence level has dropped.



posted on May, 2 2019 @ 04:10 AM
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originally posted by: surfer_soul
a reply to: JAGStorm

The trouble with the death penalty is we are all sentenced to it sooner or later. Some of us despite living good peaceful lives will face a long slow and painful death from something like cancer. Life just isn’t fair I’m afraid.

Also two wrongs don’t make a right, however upset or justified you might feel about it.


Where are the 2 wrongs?..its not wrong to shut off someone's electricity who goes around raping and killing kids.

Your option would be to save the life and pony up money from the working class to provide for evil people?

Provide them a babysitter, food ,shelter, cohugal visits...some meditation classes.

You must really like child killers.

Please done execute this child killer?



posted on May, 2 2019 @ 04:15 AM
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a reply to: RandomPerson

Whats your solution? lock up all black people for crimes they may commit? Theres also a huge disparity on who holds all the wealth in this country, yet you point out that classic fbi stat while leaving out the correlation between poverty and crime huh? Guess you missed that part of the study.
But your a socialist or a commie if you talk about that in america....

I've always liked my idea for the death penalty better.
The government shouldn't have the right to kill ANY of its citizens EVER. its to dangerous and they do a bang up job of killing innocent people already. However, I have no problem letting said execution be carried out by victims familys.

Simple. Bam. Done. If someone you love is a victim of a serious violent crime and you wanna see the guy(or gal) dead, the government holds prisoner until the exectution date. Then if you still feel that way, and you think you can live with it, you get to be the one to pull the switch. That also nips prison guards getting ptsd in the butt for having to also be executioners.
edit on 2-5-2019 by Jg513 because: (no reason given)



posted on May, 2 2019 @ 04:24 AM
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originally posted by: Kryties

originally posted by: BrianFlanders

originally posted by: Kryties
Murdering a murderer to teach the murderer a lesson and to teach everyone else not to murder.

What a load of absolute nonsense.


What would you do instead? Put the murderer in rehab for a few years until you reckon he's cured and then turn him loose? Even if this could possibly actually work (and it might in some cases) the victims (their family) would probably not be too pleased about it. They tend to not particularly care about fixing someone who deprived them of their loved one.

So, what's left? You'd have to pretty much just lock them up and throw away the key. Which is fine if you believe that revenge is justice. But how is that significantly different than the idea that the death penalty is revenge? If you see revenge as justice, then it doesn't really matter which form of revenge it is. Life in prison or the death penalty will have pretty much the same outcome. Except life in prison is torture. You would be endorsing torturing a sick animal (essentially). How is that morally superior to murdering a murderer to teach them a lesson? I'm just curious. What exactly would you do that is morally superior to the death penalty?



Your sensationalist, ignorant post serves only to indicate your lack of knowledge on the subject.


Enlighten me.



posted on May, 2 2019 @ 04:29 AM
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a reply to: Bloodworth

Its actually much more expensive to carry out the death penalty the majority of times though.

The problem lies in the fact the there are plenty of people who took that final walk down death row, for it only to be found out later that they were completely innocent. What is your solution for them?

How would you feel being strapped down for lethal injection knowing you didnt commit the crime you were gonna die for. In a time where people are mainly convicted in the evening news, i'd say its rational for people to be concerned. Cause you may find yourself there one day by no fault of your own.



posted on May, 2 2019 @ 04:41 AM
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a reply to: TheGhoul




The public needs it. Kids must see it and must see it.


Let’s go one step even further, how about having kids carry out the execution? It will make them understand the real world for what it is and put hairs on their chest!



posted on May, 2 2019 @ 04:43 AM
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originally posted by: Jg513
a reply to: RandomPerson

Whats your solution? lock up all black people for crimes they may commit? Theres also a huge disparity on who holds all the wealth in this country, yet you point out that classic fbi stat while leaving out the correlation between poverty and crime huh? Guess you missed that part of the study.
But your a socialist or a commie if you talk about that in america....

I've always liked my idea for the death penalty better.
The government shouldn't have the right to kill ANY of its citizens EVER. its to dangerous and they do a bang up job of killing innocent people already. However, I have no problem letting said execution be carried out by victims familys.

Simple. Bam. Done. If someone you love is a victim of a serious violent crime and you wanna see the guy(or gal) dead, the government holds prisoner until the exectution date. Then if you still feel that way, and you think you can live with it, you get to be the one to pull the switch. That also nips prison guards getting ptsd in the butt for having to also be executioners.


Harsher punishments across the board for all violent crime and murder, duh. And I’ve been to poor but mainly white areas. While there is certainly crime, it is in no way, shape, or form equal to the violent crime rate in impoverished and mainly black areas.



posted on May, 2 2019 @ 04:44 AM
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a reply to: Bloodworth

Like I said previously I can think of worse punishments than death, try reading the whole thread or do you prefer colouring books?




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