Selection process

Hi,

I recently was listening and reading up on Bob Lazar. Bob opines that the U.S. government, or whatever department/branch thereof that is charged with investigating these matters, really isn't getting the best minds available to help their research. He references himself, saying he was a nobody, and off the top of his head he could list ten people whom he felt were more equipped to advance their (gov) understanding of the craft. He suggested that they should open it up to the scientific community for their inspection, also commenting that the installation at S-4 is rather small. 

In a way, of course, it makes good sense to hire lesser-known individuals. Those who have gained some prominence in their occupational fields, may not represent an ideal candidate, if they would attract greater attention, and perhaps made less easily expendable (dark). It could also be harder to discredit such an individual or dissuade them from making a public revelation.

In a way it also makes sense if your aim is to keep the details of the alien/UFO phenomena secret, to keep the circle of those in the know to a bare minium. Anyone being introduced to some facet of the subject would obviously need to be vetted and monitored. Leaks exist, and do happen, but of course such leaks likely lead to further precautionary steps. Of course, we know Top Secret classifications are often based on a need to know policy. We also know the U.S. government often keeps information compartmentalised, so sometimes a fella in one room won't know what the fella in the next room is working on.

So, my feeling is that the overall responsibility of this matter would still reside in only a handful of people, like MJ12. Nonetheless it is truly remarkable how well kept this secret is. What a burden too; I mean consider the perpetual lies that have been woven. To come clean now one would have to admit to an incredible amount of deceit, even if in the name of national security.

I believe the government would take onboard, consult or use an individual who's exceptionally capable in their respective field, but would likely pass them over if they're too well known (or of course a security check reveals something amiss). Other than that, if they are helping in some capacity, it's best to limit their access.

There is a man I've known for over a decade, who attracted the attention of the an alphabet agency of U.S. government, way back in the 60's (I think). I've conversed with him on various topics, from time to time, including alien life. He's a genius. Some of what he has told me is fascinating and some of it parallels with other leaks.

What do you guys think the government's selection process would or should include as well as exclude?

I know, whether accurate or not, that in Project CARET, for example, a surprising number of civilians were employed to study alien artefacts -- in the bid to reverse engineer their tech -- and who had no prior military training or experience handling of sensitive classified materials.

Thanks

Certainly, if you pick the top people in their respective fields you make it harder for yourself to discredit what they're saying if they decide to spill the beans. Along with spreading the information out on a "need to know" basis, giving sensitive information to nobodies could really help keep the information quiet. Only a few people would even listen to them, with most people just thinking they're nuts or out to make a quick buck with a fantastical story. But if Neil DeGrasse Tyson tells me he has worked on an alien flying saucer, dammit I just might believe him.

There's also the idea that the "top" people in their fields might be too specialized to think outside the box, which might be a good thing when the box is an alien UFO. Just because somebody wins a Nobel Prize for chemistry or physics doesn't mean they'd have a fresh idea if you handed them a chunk of Element 115. They've been concentrating on their own stuff. The stuff they won the prize for. In a situation like poking around an alien ship, you might want to bring in more generalists and engineers.

You always want to keep a high level of plausible deniability.

Hi, I agree with your points.

Regarding specialists being too narrowly focused or unable to bridge certain disciplines, I suspect with alien tech, at least before they started to piece everything together, that multiple specialists quickly learned they didn't know as much as they first thought. Certain paradigms must be reexamined.

Thanks for your response.

a reply to: dave649

Excellent question and I, too, thought about this quite a bit when Lazar referenced this part of his brief tenure at S-4. It's impossible for us to know what the selection process was then versus what it is today. The man from EG & G who interviewed Lazar for the position at S-4 spoke with Corbel and remembers interviewing Bob Lazar. Who knows what they were looking for but one thing for certain is Lazar is an outside the room the box is located type thinker.

I knew a man once who had what we today refer to as multiple personality disorder. I've never known another human being more intelligent than this man. He could literally reverse engineer ANYTHING and recreate it with parts you would never even conceive as possible. Machines, gadgets, contraptions, electronics, etc. I watched him make were mind boggling.

I often wondered if people whom we typically classify as falling within the Autism spectrum are higher functioning at a level we normies can't comprehend. He would certainly fit into that category. I recently read an article somewhere that said corporations (specifically in the tech sector) were beginning to hire people with certain forms of Autism and use them as break through thinkers.

Tying this all back to your original question and what Lazar said is he is essentially right. Our selection process is most likely in need of a massive overhaul. Lazar is right that in an open and free flowing environment only then can breakthroughs and real advancement happen.

Interesting and the only thing I might add is; anyone who has worked for NSA or a cutout agency knows just how horribly screwed up they can be. Take something as sensitive as UFO tech (by some reports higher than the hydrogen Bomb back in the day) I can only imagine how everything is so compartmentalized that the left hand never knows what the right hand is doing.. I joke not.. So in some hidden away office all the little cutouts send their information to the head office director's annalist who may or may not know a damn thing about what is being presented.. They can not ask anyone who might know for national security reasons because the real experts are not on a list of need to know..

Some may scoff at the above paragraph and by all means scoff all you want but...IMO... that is the way things used to work with NSA DERNSA and I doubt anything has changed ... There is a gold mine on just about anything one can imagine buried deep under layers of official classified reports and documents that will never see the light of day...plus no one knows where they are hidden !! hahahah

a reply to: 727Sky

Hi, thanks for your input. That too is my understanding of how the U.S. government often operates.

A clear, over-arching and built up picture of all gathered (and ongoing) alien related research would be of vital importance to any group governing the subject. Who delegates what to who is a matter for them to decide.

a reply to: 1point92AU

Thank you for your post; interesting stuff.

Regarding an open and free flowing environment that more easily permits breakthroughs and advancements, bear in mind what he said about whoever masters their tech essentially controls the world, in his eyes anyway, since the tech is so superior. If that belief is a concern echoed by the folks in charge of this subject then it would follow that they'd strongly resist opening it up to such an inspection.

Last I heard was there had been a big breakthrough.

a reply to: dave649

Yet another great point regarding mastering the tech. I've often wondered "what would they do if/when they are able to reverse engineer the tech and actually recreate it. How will this benefit society?"

And my answer always points to this.

"They" will never allow it to permeate the public domain at a substantially impactful level. Perhaps only small aspects of the tech will be allowed into the public sector. But the greater tech as a composite will never benefit humanity. "They" will keep man subjugated to their control and will not allow us access to the same tech that actually separates them.

I believe there have long been breakaway civilizations. Most recently the most wealthy and well established break away civilization resides in New Zealand and is comprised of billionaires, world leaders, and the hidden elite. They have mastered off world tech and have a plan to vacate Earth in the event of a cataclysmic event such as an impending asteroid or comet strike.

On April 13, 2029 the asteroid Apophis is going to pass between the Earth and the Moon. This event is supposedly not a big deal in terms of it potentially impacting Earth. However, it will come back in 2036 and at that time there is supposedly a high likely hood of an impact somewhere between Siberia and West Africa.

Here's the interesting aspect of this story. I've been following the Apophis story for years. Many years ago the story line was Apophis posed no threat to the Earth in 2029 but did in 2036. According to NASA in 2029 Apophis is going to pass through an area of space NASA refers to as the Key Hole. An area estimated to be 2 square miles. Supposedly if Apophis passes through this "key hole" then the next time it approaches Earth in 2036 there was a near 100% chance of a cataclysmic impact.

However, in recent years that narrative has changed. Oddly enough there is no real explanation for the reversal other than the articles stating "a new calculation" shows Apophis will not impact Earth.

Anytime an asteroid passes between the Earth and the Moon it's a very big deal and I don't think people realize how close we sometimes come to ELEs.

Anyway...back to the topic. With the above being said my intuition tells me the breakaway civilization here on Earth is going to reserve the off world tech for THEIR benefit as they deem the rest of Earth's population as useless eaters anyways.

We will never be exposed to the full benefits of the tech derived from alien artifacts.

originally posted by: 1point92AU
a reply to: dave649

Yet another great point regarding mastering the tech. I've often wondered "what would they do if/when they are able to reverse engineer the tech and actually recreate it. How will this benefit society?"

And my answer always points to this.

"They" will never allow it to permeate the public domain at a substantially impactful level. Perhaps only small aspects of the tech will be allowed into the public sector. But the greater tech as a composite will never benefit humanity. "They" will keep man subjugated to their control and will not allow us access to the same tech that actually separates them.

I believe there have long been breakaway civilizations. Most recently the most wealthy and well established break away civilization resides in New Zealand and is comprised of billionaires, world leaders, and the hidden elite. They have mastered off world tech and have a plan to vacate Earth in the event of a cataclysmic event such as an impending asteroid or comet strike.

On April 13, 2029 the asteroid Apophis is going to pass between the Earth and the Moon. This event is supposedly not a big deal in terms of it potentially impacting Earth. However, it will come back in 2036 and at that time there is supposedly a high likely hood of an impact somewhere between Siberia and West Africa.

Here's the interesting aspect of this story. I've been following the Apophis story for years. Many years ago the story line was Apophis posed no threat to the Earth in 2029 but did in 2036. According to NASA in 2029 Apophis is going to pass through an area of space NASA refers to as the Key Hole. An area estimated to be 2 square miles. Supposedly if Apophis passes through this "key hole" then the next time it approaches Earth in 2036 there was a near 100% chance of a cataclysmic impact.

However, in recent years that narrative has changed. Oddly enough there is no real explanation for the reversal other than the articles stating "a new calculation" shows Apophis will not impact Earth.

Anytime an asteroid passes between the Earth and the Moon it's a very big deal and I don't think people realize how close we sometimes come to ELEs.

Anyway...back to the topic. With the above being said my intuition tells me the breakaway civilization here on Earth is going to reserve the off world tech for THEIR benefit as they deem the rest of Earth's population as useless eaters anyways.

We will never be exposed to the full benefits of the tech derived from alien artifacts.


That's interesting about the asteroid. You should try to find out what calculations were changed, and why, then let us know.

I'm less convinced about a break away civilisation harnessing other worldly tech for their own selfish survival. I do believe in the event that disclosure occurs, in some form or another, that alien tech that hasn't been reversed engineered will remain supremely classified. The longer the cover up goes on the harder it is to keep up.

originally posted by: [post=24330972]dave649
I'm less convinced about a break away civilisation harnessing other worldly tech for their own selfish survival. I do believe in the event that disclosure occurs, in some form or another, that alien tech that hasn't been reversed engineered will remain supremely classified. The longer the cover up goes on the harder it is to keep up.

Disclosure in the capacity in which you mean it will never happen.

What would be the purpose of disclosure? To inform the public of alien civilizations, tech, recovered craft, etc.

The domino effect of public questions would be overwhelming. Where are they from? Are they friendly? What tech have they given us? What have we done with that tech? How can we benefit from their tech? etc...etc...

You said you heard through your channels there was a break through. I heard that 20 years ago. Yet we still travel from point A to point B by burning a propellant. The ET tech is not going to be allowed to benefit humanity. That tech is going to be locked away for the elites to use to their benefit only. The only plausible reason for keeping this tech secret is to benefit them in an escape the planet scenario. What other reason would the tech be kept secret? They can't monetize it because that would entail releasing it to the general public for use. If they won't release it to the general public then what else could they use it for? Advanced weaponry? I don't buy that either. We've been in a conflict in the middle east for 27 years. No reports of any advanced weaponry aside from the occasional odd story. Still mostly conventional warfare tactics along with traditional weapons systems. Boots on the ground. Our biggest advancement has been in drone tech and the delivery of weapons via drone strikes. Yet in general conventional direct action combat consists of us occupying a location and exerting command and control over that region through the use of conventional weapons systems. Look at the age of the weapons systems we use in combat. While there are intermittent improvements on those weapons systems they are still 30 yr old + weapons systems.

Greer put together 22 highly credible witnesses in 2001 at the National Press Conference on UFO Disclosure. Nothing happened.

The US Air Force ran Project Blue Book for 22 years. Nothing happened.

Countless other panels on UFO disclosure and discussions have been amassed in nearly every developed country worldwide. And yet still nothing happens.

The Nimitz sightings occur and just last year the F14 pilot (Fravor) goes on MSM news and recounts the event during prime time...and still nothing happens.

Disclosure isn't going to occur. Thinking it will is wishful at best. The cover-up you reference has been in place for 50 years and possibly longer. You think it is difficult to keep secret? I know we have become masters at keeping certain things secret. The greatest weapon in the world isn't something that goes boom. It's disinformation.

EDIT: If you want more info on Apophis then go research it yourself. I'm not here to do the research for you.

originally posted by: 1point92AU

originally posted by: [post=24330972]dave649
I'm less convinced about a break away civilisation harnessing other worldly tech for their own selfish survival. I do believe in the event that disclosure occurs, in some form or another, that alien tech that hasn't been reversed engineered will remain supremely classified. The longer the cover up goes on the harder it is to keep up.

Disclosure in the capacity in which you mean it will never happen.

What would be the purpose of disclosure? To inform the public of alien civilizations, tech, recovered craft, etc.

The domino effect of public questions would be overwhelming. Where are they from? Are they friendly? What tech have they given us? What have we done with that tech? How can we benefit from their tech? etc...etc...

You said you heard through your channels there was a break through. I heard that 20 years ago. Yet we still travel from point A to point B by burning a propellant. The ET tech is not going to be allowed to benefit humanity. That tech is going to be locked away for the elites to use to their benefit only. The only plausible reason for keeping this tech secret is to benefit them in an escape the planet scenario. What other reason would the tech be kept secret? They can't monetize it because that would entail releasing it to the general public for use. If they won't release it to the general public then what else could they use it for? Advanced weaponry? I don't buy that either. We've been in a conflict in the middle east for 27 years. No reports of any advanced weaponry aside from the occasional odd story. Still mostly conventional warfare tactics along with traditional weapons systems. Boots on the ground. Our biggest advancement has been in drone tech and the delivery of weapons via drone strikes. Yet in general conventional direct action combat consists of us occupying a location and exerting command and control over that region through the use of conventional weapons systems. Look at the age of the weapons systems we use in combat. While there are intermittent improvements on those weapons systems they are still 30 yr old + weapons systems.

Greer put together 22 highly credible witnesses in 2001 at the National Press Conference on UFO Disclosure. Nothing happened.

The US Air Force ran Project Blue Book for 22 years. Nothing happened.

Countless other panels on UFO disclosure and discussions have been amassed in nearly every developed country worldwide. And yet still nothing happens.

The Nimitz sightings occur and just last year the F14 pilot (Fravor) goes on MSM news and recounts the event during prime time...and still nothing happens.

Disclosure isn't going to occur. Thinking it will is wishful at best. The cover-up you reference has been in place for 50 years and possibly longer. You think it is difficult to keep secret? I know we have become masters at keeping certain things secret. The greatest weapon in the world isn't something that goes boom. It's disinformation.

EDIT: If you want more info on Apophis then go research it yourself. I'm not here to do the research for you.

You brought up Apophis, I only recommended you find out more about it because it could help what you were getting at, i.e. a conspiracy.

My "channels" really boil down to one person. But I trust him emphatically. I'll have to find mine and his past correspondence because he addressed some points of interest.

The breakthrough I heard about was only within the last year or so.

Concerning alien technology being available for public consumption, wasn't that the aim of Project CARET, if you believe it's not a hoax. A number of people point to the sudden explosion of tech after the Roswell event. Supposedly some tech had been duplicated to at least some degree, such as: nanotechnology, fiber optics, carbon fiber, integrated circuitry, night vision, superconductors, and laser technology.

I still believe disclosure will happen, but it might not occur the way people will expect.