Democrats Investigate Trumps Family - Looking For a Crime - This is NOT LEGAL in the USA!.

a reply to: chr0naut

hmm

Here's something - no one cares what Trump says because we've figured out by now that he is lying.

no one cares eh?

His rhetoric would implicate himself.

impossible
you just posted that no one cares

make up your mind

originally posted by: More1ThanAny1

originally posted by: chr0naut
Here's something - no one cares what Trump says because we've figured out by now that he is lying.

My friend, what is he lying about?

Where did you get that information?

When I hear people say Trump lies, I know it is about stuff like crowd size (there were 30,000 people, when actually there were only 28,500). Or, this doozie: Trump says 1/3 of women coming across Mexico to the US in these caravans are raped. (Actually, 33.1% are raped....get your facts straight Donald!! lololol)

originally posted by: More1ThanAny1
They know this whole Russian Collusion conspiracy is a hoax, and because of that they already know the results of Mueller's SC investigation. They know it will not favor the conspiracy.

They are starting more investigations before Mueller's results are released while the public still buys into the conspiracy and distrusts Trump.

They know it would be difficult to start these investigations after the results are released because the conspiracy would mostly be debunked, showing Trump's innocence, and it would just appear as a blatant attack and illegitimate in the eyes of the public.

If they keep some type of investigation open on Trump, no matter what it is, they know Trump can't touch it or they could get him for obstruction of justice. Since Mueller's investigation is ending soon, they need to start more investigations to keep this hoax alive, and to keep key people in positions of authority to dig for dirt.

Then they can just dig up any dirt they can find, and hang him and his friends on technicalities, and use those findings as talking points and headlines in their next election.

Remember, this is all about what the public thinks.

Muellers efforts have resulted in multiple convictions. He was not investigating Russian collusion on behalf of the President, but was investigating Russian interference in the 2016 elections.

Muellers investigation has uncovered millions more in tax fraud alone, than it has cost. His investigation, while not complete has been an unmitigated success.

During Muellers investigation, there have been several allegations raised against Trump himself on a number of grounds. These allegations warrant further investigation and considering the judicial and fiscal success of Mueller's efforts to date, are also likely to have similar value to the American people.

a reply to: queenofswords

I agree,

I've seen many posts about the "lies" from Trump and they are usually out of context quotes, minor inaccuracies with numbers (since most of his speeches are not scripted), figures-of-speech taken literally, and general misunderstandings on both sides.

So that is exactly what I expect from chr0naut.

It's hilarious but very nauseating watching all this from a perfectly unbiased position.

a reply to: chr0naut

Did Bob Mueller recover property and cash from any of the people he indicted?

From what I read, most of them had to sell their personal property in order to afford an attorney to fight Mueller.

originally posted by: grey580
a reply to: MadLad

I can only assume that this is payback for Hillary.

Tons of investigations and nothing found. Another waste of time.

Besides illegally sending top secret information and having her server wiped clean and busted up Blackberry phones etc etc etc.

a reply to: chr0naut

During Muellers investigation, there have been several allegations raised against Trump himself on a number of grounds.

really
could you site those?

originally posted by: shooterbrody
a reply to: chr0naut

hmm

Here's something - no one cares what Trump says because we've figured out by now that he is lying.

no one cares eh?

His rhetoric would implicate himself.

impossible
you just posted that no one cares

make up your mind

If Trump has information that a crime has been committed and is withholding that information, it is an obstruction of justice.

This is different than people believing that Trump is telling the truth. If Trump is lying, it validates the need, even more, for the investigation to get to the truth.

a reply to: chr0naut

If Trump has information that a crime has been committed and is withholding that information, it is an obstruction of justice.

Site that statute please.
You are full of crap.

This is different than people believing that Trump is telling the truth. If Trump is lying, it validates the need, even more, for the investigation to get to the truth.

The ig investigation is ongoing.
You have been exposed here, not my fault if you choose not to read the info.

Just wait patiently and watch the same people scream about Trump going after political enemies and likening him to Hitler when the investigations into Democrats begin. Can you imagine the meltdown when Obama and his associates are subpoenaed.

originally posted by: chr0naut
Muellers efforts have resulted in multiple convictions.

There it is folks. This is the exact result they expected to be returned by their methods. The result of political manipulation and media programming.

None of the convictions are related to election interference, however, because the unrelated white collar crimes they did find were discovered while "investigating election interference" people such as yourself can just regurgitate exactly what you just did and still remain irrelevant on the inside (where nobody cares) but factual on the surface (the only thing the dumb and lazy public care about).

originally posted by: chr0naut
Muellers investigation has uncovered millions more in tax fraud alone, than it has cost. His investigation, while not complete has been an unmitigated success.

How can you say that with a straight face?

That is like saying a homicide investigation which should be finding a murderer (but hasn't yet) is an unmitigated success because they found some friends and family of the main suspect lied on their taxes.

Unmitigated success is a hilariously false statement.

originally posted by: chr0naut
During Muellers investigation, there have been several allegations raised against Trump himself on a number of grounds. These allegations warrant further investigation and considering the judicial and fiscal success of Mueller's efforts to date, are also likely to have similar value to the American people.

Oh I see what you did there... fiscal success. That is how you will cop out from replying to my last statement. As if we care about fiscal success and not actual success.

Allegations are not equivalent to evidence. Investigations should only be started if there is evidence of a crime.

originally posted by: shooterbrody
a reply to: chr0naut

During Muellers investigation, there have been several allegations raised against Trump himself on a number of grounds.

really
could you site those?

It is clear that Trump is "Individual 1" and that "Individual 1" is implicated in several crimes including taxation and corporate fraud.

Cohen has directly implicated Donald Trump as acting in violation of Federal Campaign laws.

That Trump obstructed justice is a matter of public record; even just in Trump's removal of several people investigating him, such as CIA director Brennan, FBI director Comey and National Security Advisor Flynn.

Trump tried to block Sessions from recusing himself from the Russia investigations, asked Sessions to reverse his decision and ordered him, twice, to fire Mueller.

Trump dictated a false witness account before the courts, for his son, Donald Trump Jr's involvement in Trump Tower meetings between Russians and campaign associates.

Trump publicly attacked Mueller's investigations despite legal progress and actual evidence brought forward in the investigation (of which Trump was aware). This is obstruction of justice.

Not to mention the (now closed down) Trump foundation which was accused by the NY Attourney General of a "Shocking pattern of illegality".

I really don't have the time to tie all the stuff together, but that is just for starters.

Trump has been accused (but not convicted) of sexual assault by at least 23 women, including Ivana Trump. One of the accusers was 13 years old at the time of the alleged attack.

You could also look into: Legal affairs of Donald Trump From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia if you wish to delve deeper.

With regards to all the indictments of "Trump's people:"

The full list of known indictments and plea deals in Mueller’s probe

1) George Papadopoulos, former Trump campaign foreign policy adviser, was arrested in July 2017 and pleaded guilty in October 2017 to making false statements to the FBI. He got a 14-day sentence.

Process crimes

2) Paul Manafort, Trump’s former campaign chair, was indicted on a total of 25 different counts by Mueller’s team, related mainly to his past work for Ukrainian politicians and his finances. He had two trials scheduled, and the first ended in a conviction on eight counts of financial crimes. To avert the second trial, Manafort struck a plea deal with Mueller in September 2018 (though Mueller’s team said in November that he breached that agreement by lying to them).

3) Rick Gates, a former Trump campaign aide and Manafort’s longtime junior business partner, was indicted on similar charges to Manafort. But in February 2018 he agreed to a plea deal with Mueller’s team, pleading guilty to just one false statements charge and one conspiracy charge.

All the above activities took place well before either were ever employed by Trump and were in conjunction with the Podesta Group

4) Michael Flynn, Trump’s former national security adviser, pleaded guilty in December 2017 to making false statements to the FBI.

Process crimes

5-20) 13 Russian nationals and three Russian companies were indicted on conspiracy charges, with some also being accused of identity theft. The charges related to a Russian propaganda effort designed to interfere with the 2016 campaign. The companies involved are the Internet Research Agency, often described as a “Russian troll farm,” and two other companies that helped finance it. The Russian nationals indicted include 12 of the agency’s employees and its alleged financier, Yevgeny Prigozhin.


21) Richard Pinedo: This California man pleaded guilty to an identity theft charge in connection with the Russian indictments, and has agreed to cooperate with Mueller. He was sentenced to 6 months in prison and 6 months of home detention in October 2018.

Has nothing at all to do with Trump

22) Alex van der Zwaan: This London lawyer pleaded guilty to making false statements to the FBI about his contacts with Rick Gates and another unnamed person based in Ukraine. He was sentenced to 30 days in jail and has completed his sentence.

23) Konstantin Kilimnik: This longtime business associate of Manafort and Gates, who’s currently based in Russia, was charged alongside Manafort with attempting to obstruct justice by tampering with witnesses in Manafort’s pending case last year.

See #s 2 & 3 above

24-35) 12 Russian GRU officers: These officers of Russia’s military intelligence service were charged with crimes related to the hacking and leaking of leading Democrats’ emails in 2016.

Again, nothing at all to do with Trump

36) Michael Cohen: In August 2018, Trump’s former lawyer pleaded guilty to 8 counts — tax and bank charges, related to his finances and taxi business, and campaign finance violations — related to hush money payments to women who alleged affairs with Donald Trump, as part of a separate investigation in New York (that Mueller had handed off). But in November, he made a plea deal with Mueller too, for lying to Congress about efforts to build a Trump Tower in Moscow.

Taxi medallions had nothing at all to do with Trump. Stormy Daniels, who ended up having to pay Trump for violating her NdA

37) Roger Stone: In January 2019, Mueller indicted longtime Trump adviser Roger Stone on 7 counts. He accused Stone of lying to the House Intelligence Committee about his efforts to get in touch with WikiLeaks during the campaign, and tampering with a witness who could have debunked his story.

Process crimes

Finally, there is one other person Mueller initially investigated, but handed over to others in the Justice Department to charge: Sam Patten. This Republican operative and lobbyist pleaded guilty to not registering as a foreign agent with his work for Ukrainian political bigwigs, and agreed to cooperate with the government.

See #s 2 & 3 above.

All of Robert Mueller’s indictments and plea deals in the Russia investigation so far - Vox

The Hell of this is:

Impeachment applies to things done while in office 😎

Who is the "Joke" on again ? 😃

originally posted by: shooterbrody
a reply to: chr0naut

If Trump has information that a crime has been committed and is withholding that information, it is an obstruction of justice.

Site that statute please.
You are full of crap.

OK, how about 18 U.S. Code § 4. Misprision of felony

or

USC chapter 73 - Obstruction of Justice with specific reference to clause 1510(d) relating to fiduciary duty ?

(although many others could be applied)

This is different than people believing that Trump is telling the truth. If Trump is lying, it validates the need, even more, for the investigation to get to the truth.

The ig investigation is ongoing.
You have been exposed here, not my fault if you choose not to read the info.

There are several parallel investigations. They don't invalidate each other.

If the President has some information regarding the commission of a crime and is keeping the information under wraps, to be used as is politically expedient, he is making him self accessory to that crime.

a reply to: shooterbrody

Evidently it counts as probable cause to the DNC committees.

a reply to: chr0naut

It all goes back to The Podesta Group in the end....all of it.

a reply to: xuenchen

Impeachment applies to things done while in office

Source?

This is what Article II, Section 4 says:

The President, Vice President and all civil Officers of the United States, shall be removed from Office on Impeachment for, and Conviction of, Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors.

a reply to: chr0naut

Trump isn't keeping any information hidden, the intelligence communities are. They are hiding behind the excuse that they can't reveal names or details because it could be detrimental to national security. However, Trump has the power to declassify.

So what exactly are you talking about?

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: shooterbrody
a reply to: chr0naut

During Muellers investigation, there have been several allegations raised against Trump himself on a number of grounds.

really
could you site those?

It is clear that Trump is "Individual 1" and that "Individual 1" is implicated in several crimes including taxation and corporate fraud.

Cohen has directly implicated Donald Trump as acting in violation of Federal Campaign laws.

That Trump obstructed justice is a matter of public record; even just in Trump's removal of several people investigating him, such as CIA director Brennan, FBI director Comey and National Security Advisor Flynn.

Trump tried to block Sessions from recusing himself from the Russia investigations, asked Sessions to reverse his decision and ordered him, twice, to fire Mueller.

Trump dictated a false witness account before the courts, for his son, Donald Trump Jr's involvement in Trump Tower meetings between Russians and campaign associates.

Trump publicly attacked Mueller's investigations despite legal progress and actual evidence brought forward in the investigation (of which Trump was aware). This is obstruction of justice.

Not to mention the (now closed down) Trump foundation which was accused by the NY Attourney General of a "Shocking pattern of illegality".

I really don't have the time to tie all the stuff together, but that is just for starters.

Trump has been accused (but not convicted) of sexual assault by at least 23 women, including Ivana Trump. One of the accusers was 13 years old at the time of the alleged attack.

You could also look into: Legal affairs of Donald Trump From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia if you wish to delve deeper.

Funny that is all your opinion and in no way fact based.
Not surprising.
Nice try tho.