Beyond Bigelow & BAASS, After AATIP and on To the Stars...

All excellent questions MM.

Just saw this on Twitter:

Tyler Rogoway (@Aviation_Intel)
6/5/19, 4:31 PM
Huge (literally and figuratively) post about to drop.

Says it is UAP related. Hmmm,


Jesus, what is the deal with Alejandro Rojas. I was ambivalent about him but he has turned into a relentless fanboy for Zomdo and friends. Shameless.

Tyler obviously gets paid by the word. Still reading it but here it is.

Tom DeLonge’s Origin Story For To The Stars Academy Describes A Government Info Operation

originally posted by: coursecatalog
All excellent questions MM.

Just saw this on Twitter:

Tyler Rogoway (@Aviation_Intel)
6/5/19, 4:31 PM
Huge (literally and figuratively) post about to drop.

Says it is UAP related. Hmmm,

Jesus, what is the deal with Alejandro Rojas. I was ambivalent about him but he has turned into a relentless fanboy for Zomdo and friends. Shameless.

AR has been persona non grata before the Roswell Sides hoax, I mean come on. Just sit down Rojas, just go away .

Tom DeLonge’s Origin Story For To The Stars Academy Describes A Government Info Operation

www.thedrive.com...

Looks like nothing new really...
Hardly an epic bombshell lol.

originally posted by: mirageman

Three videos. Supposedly confirmed for release by a DD1910 Form (not officially released by FOIA).

... Are the videos REALLY linked to that document? We don't really know do we? TTSA are unwilling to be upfront about anything.

The absence of further info on the GIMBAL and GOFAST videos in this kooky adventure is conspicuous by its very absence. (My first inauspicious thought on GIMBAL: "Wow, those clouds look like a Warner Bros cartoon"). And since nothing new has been revealed for either of the other two videos "Of Unknown Origin", it seems the 2004 FLIR is Zondo's Holy Grail, and we've drunk from it enough times to vomit. We all expected a lot more than that by this stage in the so-called "different conversation a year from now" that Zondo promised over a year ago.

Apparently the Navy have stopped dismissing UFO reports due to the diligent work of TTSA (no actual proof of that). But the Navy did say whilst they investigate threats to US airspace How then are there three videos of alleged UFOs captured by Naval pilots in the possession of TTSA?

And another version of the 2004 footage appeared on YouTube, albeit without the TTSA logo.

More generally, as I said elsewhere, I wouldn't want to live in a country that does NOT investigate threats to its airspace. Who would? But what has any of this got to do with extraterrestrial or even inter-dimensional aliens?

The Harry Reid letter (if it's genuine as it's provenance is also unknown) was originally made public in 2018 with Elizondo's name redacted. Why was it redacted? It would surely have strengthened the case a year ago about Zondo being part of and briefed on the AATIP project. Of course it would have brought awkward questions back then too due to the fact it doesn't mention he was Project Director and he's only at 10 on the list.

As many of us have said, in relation to all that, we need the TTSA mob to be interviewed by genuinely curious and serious people. Not dear old compromised George or waxwork dorks from Fox News.

Why is no one questioning how certain bloggers, tweeters, MUFON people and social media accounts (on this site too) are cheerleading TTSA came to be? All appeared around the same time and appear to be given little bits to leak out into the public domain. Who is feeding these people with info?

And how close are the frothing-at-the-mouth cheerleaders' links to TTSA? Are some of them members of TTSA? Was the 2007 Nimitz 'leaker' a future TTSA member? No matter how many scraps of info the young pigeons are fed, they tend to end up shooting themselves in the foot - when someone is psychotically screaming at me like a five-year-old to BELIEVE, it tends to have the opposite result. Call me old-fashioned 'n all.

Perhaps many are primarily Blink-182 fans with a secondary interest in UFOs (or no interest at all, but their ageing punk hero must be right - right?).

The Nimitz story, whilst a genuine mystery at present, again seems to be tightly controlled with Fravor the poster boy and a couple of others only being allowed to speak. There are others with different tales to tell who have also been slapped down publicly in the social media flame wars.

While ultra-slick and packed with Woo, the Nimitz story is already falling apart for those reasons you mention (and far more), but ATS will no doubt get to the bottom of it soon; we usually do. Fravor saying he got mocked by his colleagues in 2004 irks me, too - why not just show them the FOUR alleged pieces of video footage? At this rate, a pilot from the incident will claim he mentally downloaded binary codes - well, maybe 15 years from now, 30 years after the event.

Was Zondo chosen for his part in this as a minder for Tom (hence his security role) and the plan all along was to supplant Tom as spokesman? Or was it something of a panic decision when Tom went "Rogue with Rogan"?

The Rogan train-wreck required immediate reparation, so in steps Zondo like a outcast from 'Goodfellas' with a constantly colour-changing goatee and a minimal range of T-shirts. But he HAS charisma and a good face for TV in a friendly Bond Villain-type way - all he needs is an ultra-fat cigar and a 'Tom' cat in his lap.

a reply to: The GUT

It's a bit of a flat article and seems to rely on picking the bones from an old interview. No harm in circling back to spot thing you've missed. But he's as guilty of hype as the other side IMHO.

a reply to: mirageman

Yep. Overhyped. It's Knapp's piece more than Rogoway's. I appreciated it as a transcript though. No way I could've listened to that whole interview.

I did find a few nugs of info worth pursuing or contrasting with other nugs of info maybe.

Very disappointed with this Rogoway story.

3/4 of the piece is merely a C2C transcript of an interview I have already listened to several times.

This reporter must have solid inside military and contractor sources and he wastes so much time on this.

This thread is a hundred times more informative and a thousand times more entertaining. It would also give him dozens of promising leads to follow up on.

a reply to: The GUT

But it's interesting to see where Tom's head was at. He's kept telling "it was the Cold war and we found a lifeform" story but has changed the details of where and who said it at times.

It's a recurring theme and seems to me to be the make or break of this whole whatever it actually is. They either have solid proof or they don't. The perpetual evasiveness suggests that they don't have anything but maybe a huge cliffhanger ending for their series Unintended....


Here's what he says about assembling HIS team?

And now I had the ability to start pulling these people together, and I had this one really interesting contact out in Washington, DC, that was connected to the highest levels of government. That's how I can say it. And so I was able to pull off a coup in regards to what anybody in this field has ever been able to pull off, which was a conversation with not only my advisers, the most important group of the advisers, and somebody representing basically the highest levels of the land. And talking about how do we do something to help the youth understand that this is a reality.

The Drive

Remember Tom claims he read the same books and knows all the stories and lore like we do.

Now, for everyone out there, if you were assembling a team of advisers would you pick the team DeLonge ended up with?

duh:

originally posted by: coursecatalog
All excellent questions MM.

Just saw this on Twitter:

Tyler Rogoway (@Aviation_Intel)
6/5/19, 4:31 PM
Huge (literally and figuratively) post about to drop.

Says it is UAP related. Hmmm,

Jesus, what is the deal with Alejandro Rojas. I was ambivalent about him but he has turned into a relentless fanboy for Zomdo and friends. Shameless.

Seriously cringe... while making Elizondo's recent cancellations on his show comedic perfection.

While that article was a corbell'd hype fail, I think it's marking a shift. The intercept seemed to provide the necessary legitimate voice of reason so that Greenwald is no longer looking like the lone curmudgeon. This article is just riding the captain obvious wave we've been shouting. Dare I say it's cool to be critical today!


*ducks tomatoes*

I think one branch of this tree involves the MIC stealing Greer's pup and continuing forward after a dead end with Greer. It just seems odd that Greer tells an identical story of getting escorted to a hotel room near the pentagon and questioned over how he knew so much. (ha!) I vaguely recall Greer being the introduction to the General Tom was originally meeting with, who is supposedly "bad news".

(My bad if this has been discussed..)

DP

originally posted by: mirageman
Now, for everyone out there, if you were assembling a team of advisers would you pick the team DeLonge ended up with?

duh:

Not many of us have an ego as big as TDL's so we might not come up with the same team. If his objective is to stomp on entertainment competitors like Disney etc, his intelligence staff might be able to concoct some stories to help him do that, like this #1 balloon that was defying the laws of physics and performing impossible maneuvers according to Mellon:



My ego is not that big, and my objective would be to get the truth out there, so I wouldn't hire people who used to work for the intelligence community leader who said:

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false".

But Tom DeLonge assembled a team largely from the intelligence community or people with strong links to it. Due to factual inaccuracies in his TV show, people who watch it are likely to get confused about what really happened, thus achieving the goal of getting people to believe some false things. A few of us here on ATS who don't take anything said on a TV show at face value and actually research things won't fall for it, but a lot of people will.

TDL always admitted from the start this was a government-sponsored operation. No one ever doubted that. He proudly admitted it…

What we’ve primarily questioned are their intentions and integrity and what will they actually do. The initial story is well known and never even doubted. This article is redundant on this matter.

It seems to bring that up, the initial forming of TTSA is a straw man.

Naturally, what’s still and always has been interesting is the boldness of these people knowing the suspicion around the ufo subject they would start a group filled with ex-IC people.

And even put as its apparent head, Zondo, an admitted IC guy.
It’s like their putting it in our face…

The only thing that really matters is if this group is a conduit for some kind of disclosure.
The TDL saga when he ran around meeting these cloak and dagger folks never really was an issue with me and it still isn’t. If they want to create some kind of mythology around this group, find. Who cares.
What matters is their output.
And so far their output=0

This all appears to be an operation where TTSA have planned rebuttals in a game of "Told ya so" after the nasty naysayers reveal new evidence.

a reply to: mirageman

This is a critical point........
TTSA is savy with dealing with the media.

a reply to: Arbitrageur

Who provided them with that actual photo? Makes one wonder doesn't it...

Lue didn't draw ANY money from ttsa this year either, not even petrol / gas money and yet, he made just enough to "buy a lawnmower" and according to Mellon Lue is still a "government contractor, but not how you think"

So who paid for the lawnmower

I think all Lue did in his basement office is collate UFO reports from military sources, just as BASS did but the responsibility for that was moved back to DOD. He left because he was pissed that as someone who had served his country, he had been given such a crappy assignment.

Previous Reporting Guidelines by FAA:

Section 8. Unidentified Flying Object (UFO) Reports

9-8-1. GENERAL

a. Persons wanting to report UFO/unexplained phenomena activity should contact a UFO/ unexplained phenomena reporting data collection center, such as Bigelow Aerospace Advanced Space Studies (BAASS) (voice: 1-877-979-7444 or e-mail: [email protected]), the National UFO Reporting Center, etc.

I just finally watched the first episode of Unidentified.

I give them props for not being overly exploitive and Ancient Aliens-esque but unfortunately this led to a bit of a snooze fest in the end.

I just can't imagine the intended Friday night audience sitting through this and not turning it off, lighting up a joint and playing Call of Duty 600 or whatever instead.

And then he said, "Well, what do you need? And I said, "Well, I think I need someone from the Defense Intelligence Agency." And they say, "Why?" And I say, "Well, I don't wanna make anyone angry, I'm not looking to piss anyone off, I'm not looking to ruffle feathers, break a story. I think if I do my project correctly it'll do good." And they take a pause and they're looking at me and now I'm kinda going, "Well, what did I say wrong?"

And one guy says, "Do you go ask your dad for permission after your mother already gave it to you?" And I said, "No, what do you mean?" And then he says, "You've been given permission, now shut the F up and get to work," and he was very serious, and I had these two guys. Once again, you can count the stars on their shoulders, staring at me that I realize, "Oh my God," that's when I realize that two other people that I met that were working with me, who they really were, not just by their rank but who they really were in context to what the whole UFO subject is. So it's an exciting place to be, but it is a little nerve-racking.

The above exchange as related by Tom made me think back to the leaked "alien autopsy" email chain where Kit made the claim that he didn't really know if one of the meetings was official or not. How often do folk with high security clearances have meetings with folk about sensitive topics and not know if it's official?

I guess plausible deniability sometimes comes into play in delicate situations but that seems rather odd. On the other hand, in Tom's case above, I wonder again about a counter-intelligence operation that is run by one agency and other agencies aren't in the know.

Of course that's just Tom's version of what was said and he was most likely already surrounded by DIA folk and just didn't know it. As Rogoway notes he got Lue-Dawg anyway:

Author’s note: On another note, Tom eventually got his advisor with a DIA background in the form of a man with a deep counter-intelligence background who supposedly ran the Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program (ATTIP) in secret for years within the Pentagon, Luis Elizondo.

This tidbit perked up my ears when Knapp basically asked him how he could be sure he wasn't being Doty-fied:

I think that's a good question. Number one, these guys didn't search me out. I haven't had... In my advisory group, I haven't had anybody that just came out of nowhere and says, "Hey, I really wanna give you something." It didn't work that way. It was through really interesting channels of how I met them. And some of which I have built relationships with... That are very close. And came from very, kind of... In very sanitized ways where I think people wouldn't suspect that...

Freemasonry perhaps?

a reply to: zazzafrazz

Agreed....I have listen to all of TDL's interviews....the Joe Rogan on was a disaster.
I think everyone is still completely confused as to the purpose of TTSA. All I know is the Nimtz encounters were real as evidenced by the leaked info 12 years ago on ATS.