Neo-Nazis Are Organizing Secretive Paramilitary Training Across America

originally posted by: Breakthestreak

originally posted by: schuyler
Antifa does the same thing. Just the other side catching up.

Only Antifa is a fascist group that represents the values of the entire left and neo nazi groups don’t represent the values of the ‘right’ at all.

They both represent the extreme of there respective politics.

originally posted by: SingswithChickens1

originally posted by: Breakthestreak

originally posted by: schuyler
Antifa does the same thing. Just the other side catching up.

Only Antifa is a fascist group that represents the values of the entire left and neo nazi groups don’t represent the values of the ‘right’ at all.

They both represent the extreme of there respective politics.

No they don’t.
Nazis were leftists.

a reply to: OtherSideOfTheCoin

Thank you for the reply. It says there is a surge of right wing terrorism, but it doesn't compare that to other terrorism. Surely they'd consider antifa and the like to terrorism? I don't know, it just seems sketchy. I've seen a rise in violence, frankly, on both sides of the aisle. Baseball fields being shot up, people getting assaulted with bike locks, neo-nazis running down people with cars, and on and on.

Researching your source shows me they're left-leaning, and fair enough. But your claim of right wing terrorism attacks being the most prevalent attacks still doesn't really hold water. No offense.

I don't want to see any violence. Things are getting heated and nobody is willing to bend at all. It's depressing.

Again though, thank you for sourcing, it was an interesting read. I just don't think it took anything else into account other than demonizing the right. The right is getting tired of being called Nazis, just as I assume the left is getting tired of being called SJWs and communists.

originally posted by: Breakthestreak

originally posted by: SingswithChickens1

originally posted by: Breakthestreak

originally posted by: schuyler
Antifa does the same thing. Just the other side catching up.

Only Antifa is a fascist group that represents the values of the entire left and neo nazi groups don’t represent the values of the ‘right’ at all.

They both represent the extreme of there respective politics.

No they don’t.
Nazis were leftists.

I imagine most on the right would agree with you.

originally posted by: abago71
When I saw VICE, I quit reading...

VICE documentaries have a very scripted feel and style of presentation. Sure there's a few real Nazis out there with flags on the wall dreaming of the coming race war. Good thing is very few on either side act out on their paranoia so unless you're a neighbor of theirs odds are you are safe.

a reply to: sine.nomine

Another part of the problem is thst people think of politics when they think of right wing terrorism. The two don’t always go together. Just like all Islamic terrorists are Muslim but not all Muslims ar Islamic terrorists the true is same of the right.

It’s possibe to be a steadfast traditional whabbi Muslim and not be a terrorist just like it’s possible to have far right political views and not be a far right terrorist. It’s not about bashing right wing politics, there is a difference between those who are politically far right and those who are willing to take that a step further and commit acts of terrorism. I think the distinction is important.

That’s kind of why I think we have to be careful when calling someone a terrorist, nazi, communist or whatever, if they are deserving of those labels fair enough but all to often they are used with out thought and flippantly. It undermines their true meaning.

originally posted by: Asktheanimals

originally posted by: abago71
When I saw VICE, I quit reading...

VICE documentaries have a very scripted feel and style of presentation. Sure there's a few real Nazis out there with flags on the wall dreaming of the coming race war. Good thing is very few on either side act out on their paranoia so unless you're a neighbor of theirs odds are you are safe.

I hope you are right

a reply to: OtherSideOfTheCoin

I agree. The problem is that any news source with a bias tends to skew those statistics, so it's hard to take them at face value.

It only took 6 minutes after the thread was posted....

originally posted by: Nickn3
This looks like a story generated by the left, I’m not worrying about it.

originally posted by: abago71
When I saw VICE, I quit reading...

originally posted by: schuyler
Antifa does the same thing. Just the other side catching up.

ATS has become alt right eccho chamber. When I see the responses such as the above I quoted, than i know the new at hand is worth following. 👍

originally posted by: sine.nomine
a reply to: OtherSideOfTheCoin

I agree. The problem is that any news source with a bias tends to skew those statistics, so it's hard to take them at face value.

Yeah but you can say there have been x number of attacks by Islamic groups in America and x number by right wing groups therefore right wing groups are attacking more.

No spin.

For example....

According to a 2017 report by the U.S. Government Accountability Office, "of the 85 violent extremist incidents that resulted in death since September 12, 2001, far right wing violent extremist groups were responsible for 62 (73 percent) while radical Islamist violent extremists were responsible for 23 (27 percent).

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a reply to: ErrorErrorError

Some of us are having a discussion. Your reply just feeds the madness. If the claim is true, then it should concern us all. Just how serious is this threat?

originally posted by: SingswithChickens1

originally posted by: Breakthestreak

originally posted by: SingswithChickens1

originally posted by: Breakthestreak

originally posted by: schuyler
Antifa does the same thing. Just the other side catching up.

Only Antifa is a fascist group that represents the values of the entire left and neo nazi groups don’t represent the values of the ‘right’ at all.

They both represent the extreme of there respective politics.

No they don’t.
Nazis were leftists.

I imagine most on the right would agree with you.

Anyone that's ever read the National Socialist political platform would agree with that.

It reads like Bernie Sanders wrote the damn thing. Anyone that can read that and then claim the Nazis were right wing should be considered looney.

originally posted by: Breakthestreak

originally posted by: SingswithChickens1

originally posted by: Breakthestreak

originally posted by: schuyler
Antifa does the same thing. Just the other side catching up.

Only Antifa is a fascist group that represents the values of the entire left and neo nazi groups don’t represent the values of the ‘right’ at all.

They both represent the extreme of there respective politics.

No they don’t.
Nazis were leftists.

Don't you find it odd that the Nazis hated the Jews and the Far right wingers like the KKK, Aryan Resistance, New Century foundation, etc. also hate Jews.

originally posted by: OtherSideOfTheCoin

originally posted by: sine.nomine
a reply to: OtherSideOfTheCoin

I agree. The problem is that any news source with a bias tends to skew those statistics, so it's hard to take them at face value.

Yeah but you can say there have been x number of attacks by Islamic groups in America and x number by right wing groups therefore right wing groups are attacking more.

No spin.

For example....

According to a 2017 report by the U.S. Government Accountability Office, "of the 85 violent extremist incidents that resulted in death since September 12, 2001, far right wing violent extremist groups were responsible for 62 (73 percent) while radical Islamist violent extremists were responsible for 23 (27 percent).

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And left wing groups? I seen a LOT of ‘attacks’ from the ultra-fascist antifa group in the headlines during 2017 and early 2018. I would imagine a LOT more than either right-wing or islamic groups.

Are they there, you bet no denying it they absolutely exist... BUT I would argue that their numbers are not enough to over whelm a single decent sized city, and in their smaller groups probably couldn't handle the average sheriffs department.

a reply to: OtherSideOfTheCoin

I'm trying to be as reasonable as possible here. You claimed people are more likely to be killed by right wing terrorists than any other type of attack. That's a pretty tall claim. I've known a couple people injured, and some killed, in attacks. None of them were by right wing terrorists. But if Nazi organizations are truly joining together Nationwide in threatening numbers, then we should do something, no?

originally posted by: Xcalibur254

eo-Nazi who goes by the alias Norman Spear has launched a project to unify online fascists and link that vast coalition of individuals into a network training new soldiers for a so-called forthcoming “race war.”

Spear, who claims to be an Iraq and Afghan war veteran, is a self-proclaimed white nationalist with a significant online following. His latest act involves bringing neo-Nazis together, regardless of affiliation and ideology, into a militant fascist umbrella organization. His tool for doing this? A social network he calls “The Base,” which is already organizing across the US and abroad, specifically geared toward partaking in terrorism.

Within the confines of a secure chat room viewed by VICE, Spear and his burgeoning global web of terror cells are networking, creating propaganda, organizing in-person meet-ups, and discussing potential violence or “direct action” against minority groups, especially Jewish and black Americans. An extensive online library contains a trove of manuals with instructions on lone wolf terror-tactics, gunsmithing, data mining, interrogation tactics, counter-surveillance techniques, bomb making, chemical weapons creation, and guerilla warfare.

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Despite numerous warnings from myself and others, it looks like the neo-Nazis are getting unified and plan on committing violence.

There's not really much more to say other than that. Many on the Right have tried to minimize the threat of neo-Nazis in this country and now they're employing tactics that ISIS and al-Quaeda have used in the past.

I'm sure this new development will also be minimized but I figured I'd throw the information out there anyway.

Glad you put this out there..though they've been doing this for years....

a reply to: Breakthestreak

Well if you can find any official stats that show left wing attacks then go for it.

I’ll even give you a head start and recommend you look into eco-terrorism

originally posted by: OtherSideOfTheCoin
a reply to: Breakthestreak

Well if you can find any official stats that show left wing attacks then go for it.

That’s the issue isn’t it?
Antifa isnt included in ‘left wing attacks’ for some reason.
I wonder why that is?

originally posted by: Breakthestreak

originally posted by: OtherSideOfTheCoin
a reply to: Breakthestreak

Well if you can find any official stats that show left wing attacks then go for it.

That’s the issue isn’t it?
Antifa isnt included in ‘left wing attacks’ for some reason.
I wonder why that is?

Probably because they are not a designated terrorist group or been charged under terrorism laws.