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Riots in France, Belgium, and Germany? All over gas taxes?

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posted on Dec, 4 2018 @ 03:23 PM
a reply to: SprocketUK

There is a similar urban/rural divide in France as there is in the US, but here we can still vote them out because rural folks still have enough power to do so if we work at it. In France they don't, so they get shafted. There are a lot of people who live in the smaller villages who drive upward of 50 miles to get necessary things like groceries who are being particularly shafted by this tax, and these are the people you see.

This tax is raising gas upward of $7/gallon, and it won't stop there.

posted on Dec, 4 2018 @ 03:25 PM

originally posted by: carewemust
French police are attacking protestors. VidClips posted to Twitter are being removed from Twitter (by Twitter?) before many people can see them. I just tried to paste a link to one here, and it vanished before I could copy the URL.

Is every government, news outlet, and social media platform, now our enemy? Enemies of the world's population?!

They are globalist. You know the answer to this I think. They think they are or will be part of the elite.

posted on Dec, 4 2018 @ 05:38 PM
a reply to: AndyFromMichigan

or occupation, lol
only joking.
i was making fun of the similarity of e.d.f and i.d.f
just thought the zionists were a little transparent.

posted on Dec, 4 2018 @ 05:51 PM
a reply to: Fowlerstoad

it looks like march (brexit) is going to be interesting.
90 days for trump and xi's truce.
about the same time.
money fleeing europe.
audio link-

posted on Dec, 4 2018 @ 06:01 PM
a reply to: ketsuko

And still the rulers go around in gas guzzling limos in the centre of motorcades.

posted on Dec, 4 2018 @ 06:16 PM

originally posted by: lakenheath24
The French I know have very little disposable income after all the taxes. I think peeps are pissed off at the migrants as well. It's turning Europe to the right. Even Spain is going right wing apparently. And no wonder....they have had like 15percent unemployment forever.

15% is a laughably low estimate of unemployment in Spain. I have a friend that lives there and a couple of ex-coworkers also and they figure it's at least double that.

Portugal is even worse.

posted on Dec, 4 2018 @ 07:00 PM
a reply to: Carcharadon

presented without comment

posted on Dec, 4 2018 @ 07:59 PM
a reply to: Fools

Pretty sure it was his speech saying they needed to start an EU Army and then the bit about France needing to protect against an American invasion.

I mean how dumb can he be? I was so upset when Trump did not give him a public thrashing after that. We have saved their butts twice from Germany!!!

posted on Dec, 4 2018 @ 08:18 PM
a reply to: RudeMarine

They did somewhat help out the colonies with there war of independence against the British empire.

So there's that i suppose.

Anyhow it's not the people that are the problem, it's the politicians, same predicament at play as in your own nation, and my own for that matter.

Anybody see a pattern developing? LoL

posted on Dec, 5 2018 @ 02:25 AM
a reply to: username74

Thank you for that, U74. Very interesting listening, for sure.

I try to be an optimist, but sometimes it is hard. Interesting times indeed! Truly.

posted on Dec, 5 2018 @ 10:05 AM
a reply to: RudeMarine

well, he's not dumb, just scared for his money masters.
the don is not their creature. (well i hope so or there will be nowhere english speaking to defect to, lol.)
he is trying to rush military unification things thru before we hang treason may and her handlers.

todays independent news u.k.

posted on Dec, 6 2018 @ 03:00 PM
a reply to: Fools


What you are seeing - in France - is simply... French people being French.

Back in 1968, France had a "missed revolution" as some people call it. There were massive riots and strikes in France at that time.
To show you how serious things were, Charles de Gaulle, then president, disappeared for one day. No one knows for sure where he was.
Now, most people agree that he most probably went to visit some of his generals (some of them in Germany), to ensure that the army would support him in case of civil war.
This year in the 50th anniversary of these events.

Then, French people tried the liberal right wing way - by voting for Sarkozy - in 2007. Results: Sarkozy placed his friends and family at powerful and especially money-making positions, and the country plunged further: for most people, life becaöe more difficult, less money, more taxes, less work, etc.
Therefore in 2012, French people decided to go the opposite way and vote for Hollande (Francois Hollande, not the country), who was in the Socialist party. Results: Hollande just kept silent in front of the banks and powerful managers, and life of most French people became harder, less money, more unemployment, etc.
I must say I was betting on a victory from Marine Le Pen in 2017.
But then here comes a brand new young guy, Macron, who has a lot of promises with him, for example that he will leave the retirees alone. He really felt new, with a new party (La République en Marche), with a different, new way, where his partisans are really around. His party feels not so bureaucratic.
He starts with lots of reform. Some people already got nervous - French people are extremely conservative when it comes to changing their way of life.
Then he made it clear, we (all French people) have to join together and make some efforts for the country to go better.
Then come some less popular reforms, tax increase, retirement money reduction, tax increase for retired people.
Then he starts properly lying to the people, with the speed limit reduction:
Speed limit of French main roads (not highway) was 90km/h. Macron proposed to lower this limit to 80km/h, in order to save people's lives! Of course this change would reduce the number of casualties on the road, but by a small number, and anyway, road accident is not the number cause of death in France, by far.
And guess what, the week following the speed limit reduction, the speed checks on the road multiplied (I think by 2.5) the numbers of fines - which by the way in France is 90€ (ca. 100USD I think).

So, just a few examples to show that people, from all age and categories, are heating up.

Then, in parallel, we can read in the news that Macron built a new swimming pool in the presidential house in the south of France (Fort de Bregancon).
That he changed the complete cutlery in the Elysée (his work residence and office) in Paris.
And many little things like that.

So, in a summary, you have a president (and government) who is asking people to tighten their belt and make an effort, but who is spending money for itself in parallel.
Yeah, nothing new here. Except this is in France, and French people have a tradition of communicating their emotion to their rulers...

And of course, French economy is going down (for the majority of people). Rich people are getting way richer in France, but only them.

So you have a nice explosive mix, and it just takes a spark - in this case gas taxes.

Please note, this is only my personal opinion, my 2 cents, as a French guy. Not living in France anymore, but regularly going back to France (3 to 4 times a year), still having family and friends there, and talking to people there.

Most scary is, this is opening a highway straight to the Elysee for Marine Le Pen (even though her party is deeply glued in some money laundering affairs and some other scandals - good).

posted on Dec, 6 2018 @ 03:08 PM
a reply to: RudeMarine

Please take it easy.

No one is more thankful to US for their support during WW2 than France.

And if you want to play that card, please don't forget that France was in the US, to help US get their independence from UK

And yes, we need a European army, not to fight other countries, but to increase our diplomatic power in the world - well, at least keep it at a non-negligible level.

posted on Dec, 6 2018 @ 03:12 PM
a reply to: ketsuko


you are absolutely correct!
This is happening right now to my family in France.

As my dad puts it, in my home village, you can do almost nothing without a car.

posted on Dec, 6 2018 @ 06:44 PM
a reply to: KarmaComa

I remember going through a French village back in 65 , it was like the clock had gone back a hundred years. I remember a shop with Hares hanging outside, and a shop with what looked like locally grown produce. On the outskirts their seemed to be a lot of smallholdings. Not a supermarket in site, which now makes me think everyone did something or made something and the village was basically self sufficient. The people seemed happy enough, although they looked very insular, and walking through we got some suspicious looks. Perhaps the modern world is just a bit to modern when you have to drive fifty miles to a supermarket ,the collapse of local economies seems to have happened in a couple of generations, simply because what were inefficient small holdings of farms are now industrialised food production facilities which will never keep the people busy like the smaller inefficient holdings of the past. But when you think about it, when one smallholding supplied the eggs, another tomatoes, another spuds, lettuce etc. which ended up in the local shops, with prices that floated to the supply and demand criteria of village life, the only input for the production was labour, without the requirement of profit to shareholders which did nothing but invest. its the same as Greece they didn't need supermarkets with food imported, along with the debt they had it all anyway, now like the little village , a way of life has been taken away and what replaced it is running out of steam because its a model which unlike the original village is unsustainable. Simply because the social welfare now required to support the people is running below the level required to live.

posted on Dec, 6 2018 @ 07:15 PM
Everything will be solved soon enough.

posted on Dec, 7 2018 @ 03:28 PM
a reply to: anonentity

Thank you, very nicely put, and fully correct (in my opinion).

My dad (born just after WW2) regularly tells me about how each family in the village, was raising pigs.
And then in turn, each family would kill a pig, and share the food with the village, or at least the local district within the village.
I can remember that, as a wee lad, I was drinking milk that had just been milked from cows, at my grand parents'.

These things are now science fiction.

So yes, we (France) have moved one league up (world economy etc.) but the country didn't really follow.

To my long rant, I could add the billions which are lost every year due to tax evasion.
Then the people who get caught, get a strong stare and that's it (check out Cahuzac if you want to dig further in that subject).

But then I think France was an empire, which grew up thanks to its colonies and smart leaders, but then never learnt to develop on its own (such as Germany for example). And this mindset is still around.
Same with the UK in my opinion.

posted on Dec, 8 2018 @ 06:12 AM
On the 4th weekend of protests, the demands are no more of the gas taxes but the rising minimum wages etc. In other words, what millions of people want, although not going to protest for a number of reasons including not being young and healthy anymore.

Couldn't France do better, being historically one of the first democratic countries in the world? Is this the European values that we are told of? It is a shame for the entire idea of democracy what we see today.

posted on Dec, 8 2018 @ 09:32 AM

"We have to change the Republic," Ilda, a yellow jacket protester from the south of France near Toulouse, told CNN. "People here are starving. Some people earn just 500 euros a month you can't afford to live. People don't want to stop because we want the President to go."

posted on Dec, 8 2018 @ 12:40 PM
At least according to rumors I hear, there are so many "Verfassungsschuz" agents on the payroll of some districts in Germany that if one sees a "riot" one cannot tell if it is a real riot, or a state-paid performance (whether ultra Left or Right - or usually some combination).

There certainly are massive anti-Merkel protests, but those are peaceful.
Well, many find it strange that a handful of guys can give the Nazi salute, and they aren't arrested or prosecuted.
Suspicions are rife these were agents.

While details are murky, the general expenditure for such agents seems to run into considerable costs.

The question is what happens when these agents go too far and actually end up funding ISIS, for example, or unleash the very radicalism in society they are supposed to combat?
edit on 8-12-2018 by halfoldman because: (no reason given)

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