Earth's Mountains and Deserts: Home to Alien Bases?

a reply to: TurbineJet

There are no roads that go directly to the peaks. I believe the highest elevation you can drive to is 6,000 ft. for Rainier. Adams I am unsure of the drive elevation.

Regardless, both are amazing

Hi. I am new here. As in, I just registered. However I have been visiting ATS for more than a decade now.

I am from India, and I am a Muslim. I am also a featured writer on Quora. You could say these are three things which I am really proud of.

The reason I just registered here is so that I can post a reply to this thread. Mountains are something that have always intrigued me. The reason for this is something related to Islam.

I understand those of you who do not believe in a God, religious stories for you would be myth's. And if you are not a Muslim, then Islamic stories would be a myth to you. But obviously, because I am a practicing Muslim, I believe every single bit of what religion teaches me.

This is where the story of Yajoj and Majoj comes. Yajoj and Majoj in English are translated as Gog and Magog, however please bear in mind, the Islamic take on them is very different so don't consider the story to be synonymous

According to Islam, Yajoj and Majoj were two tribes that existed during the time of Prophet Dhul-Qarnayn/Zulqarnayn (his name means the one with two horns). When he journeyed to a land which was far-far away, he encountered a group of people who could barely understand a word. This has been understood to imply that these people did not have a command over language and that they were very disconnected with other parts of the world.

"Until, when he reached between two mountains, he found, before (near) them, a people who scarcely understood a word." - Original verse from the Quran

When he reached there, these people complained to him about the tribes of Yajoj and Majoj. They said they created a lot of mischief and that they wanted refuge from them. So the prophet agreed to build a barrier that would separate them from this tribe.

"They said, O Dhul-Qarnayn! Verily! Yajooj and Majooj are doing great mischief in the land. Shall we then pay you a tribute in order that you might erect a barrier between us and them?" - Original verse from the Quran

He then proceeded to create a barrier to separate them using iron and melted copper. Scholars have unanimously agreed that the Quran does not use this barrier as a metaphor because of the mentioning of the items that were used to create the barrier.

"That (wealth, authority and power) in which my Lord has established me is better (than your tribute). So help me with strength (of men), I will erect between you and them a barrier.

Give me pieces (blocks) of iron, then, when he had filled up the gap between the two mountain-cliffs, he said, Blow, till when he had made it (red as) fire, he said, Bring me molten copper to pour over it.

So they [Yajooj and Majooj] were made powerless to scale it or dig through it." - Original verses from the Quran

The point of focus here is mentioning of two mountain cliffs. I have for long tried to understand what this could mean. Could it be the word mountain here was used as an alternative word to something else which comes close to look like "mountain cliffs"?

I would love to know what comes to your mind when you think about this?

I have always thought of canyon's to match this description and it makes sense to use the word mountain instead of canyon. What do you think?

And then there is a hadith by the Islamic prophet Mohammad which states:

"The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) said that Yajooj and Majooj are digging every day until they can almost see sunlight, then the one who is in charge of them says, Go back, we will dig again tomorrow. Then Allah restores (the barrier) and makes it stronger than it was. (This will continue) until the appointed time. When Allah wishes to send them against the people, they will dig until they can almost see sunlight, then the one who is in charge of them will say, Go back, we will dig again tomorrow."

From this we learn that whatever barrier it is, it even prevents sunlight from reaching them so it must be something which covers them completely.

I am here to ask you, if you were to hypothetically think of this as not being a myth, where do you think they could be? Remember, the barrier can still be metaphorical. The only reason scholars have taken it literally is because of the mention of iron and copper.

Hollow earth? Below Antarctica? Below Greenland? I remember once reading about Greenland that stated scientists recently discovered using fancy scientific equipment that Greenland beneath might have open land (I don't know what this is called). Unfortunately I have tried finding that story but my attempts went in vain. I want to find that article to see the word the scientists had used to described what they found.

There is another hadith related to this which says the following:

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A man told the Prophet that he had seen the dam of Gog and Magog.

The Prophet asked: How did you find it?

The man said: I found it like Al-Burd Al-Muhabbar (striped garments).

And the Prophet said: You have seen it.

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This is another point which indicates the barrier is real. And see how here the word that was used for barrier is a dam.

I look forward to your responses!

a reply to: HallowedImpact

Ive always been interested in the Naga legends that surround some of your India legends regarding there monotonous domain.

en.wikipedia.org...

originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: HallowedImpact

Ive always been interested in the Naga legends that surround some of your India legends regarding there monotonous domain.

en.wikipedia.org...

Surely you mean mountainous domain?

TJ

Do you mean Naga legends or Nagaland legends? Nagaland is a state located in the Northern part of India where as Naga is considered to be a supernatural force/beign which takes the form of a cobra by certain people within India.

a reply to: andy06shake

a reply to: Outlier13

I think it's about the same, though I'm not even remotely positive on that.

When I'm back packing up into that area, I generally park at a Forest Service office...

a reply to: Outlier13

Some summers they're everywhere you turn. Gets annoying sometimes. I've had my best luck late autumn--late October, early November--or early spring while snow is still on the ground.

As active as both areas are, and Hood is, if anything, worse. Any alien activity would have been obvious long ago.

a reply to: HallowedImpact

Naga legends i suppose.

Supposed ancient snake-like semi metaphysical entities that inhabit mountainous regions and the like.

a reply to: seagull

I just spent a week in Rainer and The Olympics. Unbelievable how many people there were. Mt. Hood is amazing and I have found a lot of off trail hikes in that area to completely avoid any human contact. Truly that entire area of the US is amazing to see on foot. I think we would be more likely to have a cryptid encounter before a UFO, however, each night we camped out we laid out under the stars and counted satellites and shooting stars.

I just spent a week in Rainer and The Olympics. Unbelievable how many people there were. Mt. Hood is amazing and I have found a lot of off trail hikes in that area to completely avoid any human contact. Truly that entire area of the US is amazing to see on foot. I think we would be more likely to have a cryptid encounter before a UFO, however, each night we camped out we laid out under the stars and counted satellites and shooting stars.

Sounds like an amazing area! I will make a trip out of it soon. Whats the best time to go? Lots of bugs in summer? Is the ambient light dim enough that the sky appears black at night and the stars are super bright? (had that experience while visiting a former soviet block country)

TJ

originally posted by: TurbineJet

originally posted by: schuyler

originally posted by: TurbineJet

originally posted by: schuyler
Mt. Adams and Mt. Shasta are part of the Cascade Range. Mt. Shasta blows up about every 300 years. Mt. St. Helens, just north of Adams, blew itself up in 1980. Mt. Rainier blew up twice in the 1800s. Mt. Baker is active. In the last 200 years all the eruptions in the continental US have been from the Cascade Range. All but two of the Cascade volcanoes have erupted in the last 4000 years.

It strikes me that these mountains are a very stupid place to build UFO bases.

Ah but you see, it may be a stupid place to put them there if you are using current publically available technology, however if you are an advance alien race able to carve out blocks for the pyramids (lets save that for a future thread) then you would be perfectly capable of putting a base under a volcano, thereby making it the SMARTEST place to put a base because very few humans dare venture..

So aliens can stop the flow of lava? I don't think so.

Who knows what they can do? If they can materialize thru walls maybe they can be inside the lava or below it, slightly out of phase with this plane of reality

If you have to make up completely ridiculous nonsense scenarios like this for your claim to seem even remotely plausible, then it's a dumb claim.

originally posted by: Maroboduus

originally posted by: TurbineJet

originally posted by: schuyler

originally posted by: TurbineJet

originally posted by: schuyler
Mt. Adams and Mt. Shasta are part of the Cascade Range. Mt. Shasta blows up about every 300 years. Mt. St. Helens, just north of Adams, blew itself up in 1980. Mt. Rainier blew up twice in the 1800s. Mt. Baker is active. In the last 200 years all the eruptions in the continental US have been from the Cascade Range. All but two of the Cascade volcanoes have erupted in the last 4000 years.

It strikes me that these mountains are a very stupid place to build UFO bases.

Ah but you see, it may be a stupid place to put them there if you are using current publically available technology, however if you are an advance alien race able to carve out blocks for the pyramids (lets save that for a future thread) then you would be perfectly capable of putting a base under a volcano, thereby making it the SMARTEST place to put a base because very few humans dare venture..

So aliens can stop the flow of lava? I don't think so.

Who knows what they can do? If they can materialize thru walls maybe they can be inside the lava or below it, slightly out of phase with this plane of reality

If you have to make up completely ridiculous nonsense scenarios like this for your claim to seem even remotely plausible, then it's a dumb claim.

Thank you for the kind words. I guess you missed the disclaimer that I make no claims in this thread. Did you even bother to read it?

originally posted by: TruthxIsxInxThexMist
I'd like to know what's hiding inside ;red rock; in Australia??

Do you mean Uluru formerly the artist know as Ayers Rock?


Its my stash of 70 porn mags + baked beans and bottled water I left there back in 2012 thinking the world was going to end

there are a few nice red rock natural formations and boulders laying around in the area.

Great tourist destination.


whats even more fascinating are the dreamtime stories the Aborigines have about the land.

a reply to: TurbineJet

Science fiction you say? Tell that to the abductees who get pulled thru the walls of their house, into a craft and experimented on in the middle of the night, and wake up in the morning with scars and their clothes on backwards.

How does that make aliens non fiction?


How do claims of horrific experiences equal evidence for aliens?

originally posted by: HallowedImpact
Hi. I am new here. As in, I just registered. However I have been visiting ATS for more than a decade now.

I am from India, and I am a Muslim. I am also a featured writer on Quora. You could say these are three things which I am really proud of.

The reason I just registered here is so that I can post a reply to this thread. Mountains are something that have always intrigued me. The reason for this is something related to Islam.

I understand those of you who do not believe in a God, religious stories for you would be myth's. And if you are not a Muslim, then Islamic stories would be a myth to you. But obviously, because I am a practicing Muslim, I believe every single bit of what religion teaches me.

This is where the story of Yajoj and Majoj comes. Yajoj and Majoj in English are translated as Gog and Magog, however please bear in mind, the Islamic take on them is very different so don't consider the story to be synonymous

According to Islam, Yajoj and Majoj were two tribes that existed during the time of Prophet Dhul-Qarnayn/Zulqarnayn (his name means the one with two horns). When he journeyed to a land which was far-far away, he encountered a group of people who could barely understand a word. This has been understood to imply that these people did not have a command over language and that they were very disconnected with other parts of the world.

"Until, when he reached between two mountains, he found, before (near) them, a people who scarcely understood a word." - Original verse from the Quran

When he reached there, these people complained to him about the tribes of Yajoj and Majoj. They said they created a lot of mischief and that they wanted refuge from them. So the prophet agreed to build a barrier that would separate them from this tribe.

"They said, O Dhul-Qarnayn! Verily! Yajooj and Majooj are doing great mischief in the land. Shall we then pay you a tribute in order that you might erect a barrier between us and them?" - Original verse from the Quran

He then proceeded to create a barrier to separate them using iron and melted copper. Scholars have unanimously agreed that the Quran does not use this barrier as a metaphor because of the mentioning of the items that were used to create the barrier.

"That (wealth, authority and power) in which my Lord has established me is better (than your tribute). So help me with strength (of men), I will erect between you and them a barrier.

Give me pieces (blocks) of iron, then, when he had filled up the gap between the two mountain-cliffs, he said, Blow, till when he had made it (red as) fire, he said, Bring me molten copper to pour over it.

So they [Yajooj and Majooj] were made powerless to scale it or dig through it." - Original verses from the Quran

The point of focus here is mentioning of two mountain cliffs. I have for long tried to understand what this could mean. Could it be the word mountain here was used as an alternative word to something else which comes close to look like "mountain cliffs"?

I would love to know what comes to your mind when you think about this?

I have always thought of canyon's to match this description and it makes sense to use the word mountain instead of canyon. What do you think?

And then there is a hadith by the Islamic prophet Mohammad which states:

"The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) said that Yajooj and Majooj are digging every day until they can almost see sunlight, then the one who is in charge of them says, Go back, we will dig again tomorrow. Then Allah restores (the barrier) and makes it stronger than it was. (This will continue) until the appointed time. When Allah wishes to send them against the people, they will dig until they can almost see sunlight, then the one who is in charge of them will say, Go back, we will dig again tomorrow."

From this we learn that whatever barrier it is, it even prevents sunlight from reaching them so it must be something which covers them completely.

I am here to ask you, if you were to hypothetically think of this as not being a myth, where do you think they could be? Remember, the barrier can still be metaphorical. The only reason scholars have taken it literally is because of the mention of iron and copper.

Hollow earth? Below Antarctica? Below Greenland? I remember once reading about Greenland that stated scientists recently discovered using fancy scientific equipment that Greenland beneath might have open land (I don't know what this is called). Unfortunately I have tried finding that story but my attempts went in vain. I want to find that article to see the word the scientists had used to described what they found.

There is another hadith related to this which says the following:

---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

A man told the Prophet that he had seen the dam of Gog and Magog.

The Prophet asked: How did you find it?

The man said: I found it like Al-Burd Al-Muhabbar (striped garments).

And the Prophet said: You have seen it.

---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

This is another point which indicates the barrier is real. And see how here the word that was used for barrier is a dam.

I look forward to your responses!

First of all welcome to ATS!

Where to start on your post, as it is a very interesting one. What exactly is being described here? Is it to be taken literally?

Were there two mountains, and "God" decided to fill the space between them? Why the use of molten copper?

I think the key to this story is the molten copper, as details like this imply an event did in fact take place...

Not sure what to make of it...

TJ

a reply to: andy06shake

I can't say I have ever heard of such legends in the context you mentioned. The most common naag and nageen (male and female cobra respectively) related legend I know of is that they can take human form, usually for nefarious purposes.

a reply to: TurbineJet

Thank you! I always wanted to sign up and finally, I am here now.

From an Islamic point of view, this story is to be taken literally. Yajoj and Majoj are descendants of Adam just like every other human being and they still continue to exist behind the barrier.

But compared to other human beings, these two tribes were just too barbaric as you can see from their description which I mentioned in my original post. That is why they were put behind a barrier so that they could no longer inflict harm to others who lived there.

Also when Prophet Dhul-Qarnayn came across these people who complained about the two tribes in concern, the place he found these people was one of the farthest points on Earth relative to where he was from and to the places he had traveled to in the past. And Dhul-Qarnayn in Islam is described as being a traveler who traveled from one distant place to another.

However during the time of Prophet Mohammad, this land might no longer have been that far away because according to the hadith I mentioned in the original post, one of his companions actually said he saw this barrier and described it as looking like striped garments.

"Were there two mountains, and "God" decided to fill the space between them? Why the use of molten copper?" - The Quran mentions them as mountain-cliffs. And the barrier itself in the hadith is referred to as a dam.

But as I already mentioned in my original post, the word mountain can be used to describe something else that looks like a mountain just like the way the barrier is described as looking like a damn.

Also, God ordered it but it was Dhul-Qarnayn who actually built it with the help of the people who lived there.

"I think the key to this story is the molten copper, as details like this imply an event did in fact take place..." - The Quran is explicit as to whether this happened or not and if whether this is some sort of metaphor instead. It did happen and it isn't a metaphor. One way to estimate age of this event could be by finding out when humans started using iron and copper to build things in a way that is being described here.

a reply to: HallowedImpact

Thats cool.

www.britannica.com...

I was referring to these fellows.

originally posted by: TurbineJet

originally posted by: schuyler

originally posted by: TurbineJet

originally posted by: schuyler
Mt. Adams and Mt. Shasta are part of the Cascade Range. Mt. Shasta blows up about every 300 years. Mt. St. Helens, just north of Adams, blew itself up in 1980. Mt. Rainier blew up twice in the 1800s. Mt. Baker is active. In the last 200 years all the eruptions in the continental US have been from the Cascade Range. All but two of the Cascade volcanoes have erupted in the last 4000 years.

It strikes me that these mountains are a very stupid place to build UFO bases.

Ah but you see, it may be a stupid place to put them there if you are using current publically available technology, however if you are an advance alien race able to carve out blocks for the pyramids (lets save that for a future thread) then you would be perfectly capable of putting a base under a volcano, thereby making it the SMARTEST place to put a base because very few humans dare venture..

So aliens can stop the flow of lava? I don't think so.

Who knows what they can do? If they can materialize thru walls maybe they can be inside the lava or below it, slightly out of phase with this plane of reality

Maybe, but then wouldn't that negate the need for 'hangar doors' built into the side of mountains?