Best evidence you'll ever see that the earth is young

a reply to: Scrutinizing

Jesus slept with sinners and prostitutes and even forgave a thief while he was on the cross. The readings I got from the dude while being a Christian was that he didn't give a crap if you are religious or not. As long as you asked forgiveness for your misdeeds, he was cool with you.

Also, it's the exclusiveness and pettiness you are displaying that turned me off of the religion. If it were Jesus, he'd probably try to talk me into seeing the errors of my ways and likely wouldn't insult my intelligence and experiences while doing it. But what do I know? I'm a heathen according to you. Jesus should have slapped me instead for saying the blasphemies I did right?

Hey, answer me this. If your religion is so great and is a requirement of belief in it to get to heaven, then why does god allow it to become corrupt and despicable? Why does this supreme being not even protect the ONE human organization that he wants you to be a part of? Yet there are perverts in high places throughout the church. Grifters taking money from collection plates and using it to build mega houses for themselves and buy planes. All in Jesus' name too. Con artists, pretending to "heal" others.

Your religion needs to do some self-reflecting if it wants to gain back followers. Right now it is waning because of its smug conservative stubbornness to changing the way it does things. Your posts don't give me a lot of confidence that you'll lead the charge on that front though.

a reply to: Krazysh0t

Jesus slept with sinners and prostitutes and even forgave a thief while he was on the cross. The readings I got from the dude while being a Christian was that he didn't give a crap if you a Jew or not. As long as you were a good person and helped others.

Well according to Scrutinizing one must be judgemental and tell you are not what you say you are or were because they say so.

Its logic you cannot argue with

a reply to: InhaleExhale

Yeah. I'm trying to explain to him that attitudes like that aren't helping his case, but it doesn't look like that is working. It's NOT a problem with the church, its dogma, and/or its teachings. Nope, it's a problem with me. And Christians wonder why their numbers are dropping in 1st world countries worldwide...

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: one4all

Your words come across as a lot of fluff to me. Lots of adjectives with no backing reasoning or logical support. No description of exactly what you are talking about. Oh and no evidence of your point. The Bible is not historically accurate. Some of it is, but since a lot isn't, it loses its credibility as a historical accounting of events in the past. If I have to spend time picking out and ignoring the parts that aren't real then it calls into question the parts that may be true. And it's not like the Bible tells small lies or anything. Entire stories are easily proved wrong by science and even simple logic. Stories like Noah's Ark or Jonah and the Whale.

Whatever the one true history of humankind is, the Bible isn't clued in on it.

Allegories my friend....lol...and you couldnt be more in the dark....fluff huh....lol...clean out your ears then kiddo....I read the bible as a small kid cover to cover and I am not religious now nor was I then.... I read it for the same reason I have read the Quran and the Vedic Texts because it was interesting , I have read multiple versions of these doctrinal writings...and of others....before I was an adult....reason -logic -evidence -history -science -logic -stories...….your last post is really 7 words long...you are having a hard time reasoning why logic shows that the evidence that history and science present conflict and why logic tells you the stories are based on the context of these evidences . The rest of your post was only FLUFF....lol..you trying to be shy....lol.


Reasonable logic will tell you that much of the evidence presented in many doctrinal histories disguised as allegories is validated generically by ever evolving science so by proxy logic tells us also that the doctrinal allegory laced stories we read based upon this historical evidence will eventually in large be validated by science.

Lobsang….there is NO CONTENT IN THE ORIGINAL WRITINGS ALL OF THESE DOCTRINES STEM FROM THAT IN ANY WAY ENDORSES NOR DISCUSSES ANYTHING IMAGINARY SUCH AS GODLY OR DIETY BASED IDEOLOGIES......yet they ALL STEM FROM ONE SINGLE BOOK....do you grasp this.....none of the doctrinal writings are being parsed correctly...and once you remove from each of them the imaginary god and diety based verbiage you are left with the interlocking pieces to the full and true picture.....and it is the that all of these directives seamlessly fit together into our One True Humanitarian History.

The only way we can become more responsible in envisioning and managing our future is if we own our true past....are you ready.

originally posted by: one4all

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: one4all

Your words come across as a lot of fluff to me. Lots of adjectives with no backing reasoning or logical support. No description of exactly what you are talking about. Oh and no evidence of your point. The Bible is not historically accurate. Some of it is, but since a lot isn't, it loses its credibility as a historical accounting of events in the past. If I have to spend time picking out and ignoring the parts that aren't real then it calls into question the parts that may be true. And it's not like the Bible tells small lies or anything. Entire stories are easily proved wrong by science and even simple logic. Stories like Noah's Ark or Jonah and the Whale.

Whatever the one true history of humankind is, the Bible isn't clued in on it.

Allegories my friend....lol...and you couldnt be more in the dark....fluff huh....lol...clean out your ears then kiddo....I read the bible as a small kid cover to cover and I am not religious now nor was I then.... I read it for the same reason I have read the Quran and the Vedic Texts because it was interesting , I have read multiple versions of these doctrinal writings...and of others....before I was an adult....reason -logic -evidence -history -science -logic -stories...….your last post is really 7 words long...you are having a hard time reasoning why logic shows that the evidence that history and science present conflict and why logic tells you the stories are based on the context of these evidences . The rest of your post was only FLUFF....lol..you trying to be shy....lol.

That's good for you. Interesting != true though.

Reasonable logic will tell you that much of the evidence presented in many doctrinal histories disguised as allegories is validated generically by ever evolving science so by proxy logic tells us also that the doctrinal allegory laced stories we read based upon this historical evidence will eventually in large be validated by science.

Reasonable logic tells me that humans embellish stories and evidence outside of human opinions is necessary to substantiate any story. Especially stories dating back thousands of years.

originally posted by: Scrutinizing

I'm not going to do a discussion with somebody that needs to ask that question, that doesn't understand the contradiction, if entropy is a fact. This objection to evolution is as common as dirt. So you're either trolling or don't understand things common as dirt, in either case not one to have a serious discussion with. Troll somebody else.

hahaaha I see you don't know. Let me try to explain it very simply: living cells do not contradict entropy as they are not closed systems. This means entropy does not contradict evolution.

And once again Christians on ATS have shown a behaviour Jesus would have been proud of, not (if he had ever existed).



a reply to: InhaleExhale
I totally agree with your post.

In Socrates times they used to say 'Slander is the tool of the looser'. In our times calling people trolls is their modern tool.

originally posted by: Krazysh0t

originally posted by: one4all

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: one4all

Your words come across as a lot of fluff to me. Lots of adjectives with no backing reasoning or logical support. No description of exactly what you are talking about. Oh and no evidence of your point. The Bible is not historically accurate. Some of it is, but since a lot isn't, it loses its credibility as a historical accounting of events in the past. If I have to spend time picking out and ignoring the parts that aren't real then it calls into question the parts that may be true. And it's not like the Bible tells small lies or anything. Entire stories are easily proved wrong by science and even simple logic. Stories like Noah's Ark or Jonah and the Whale.

Whatever the one true history of humankind is, the Bible isn't clued in on it.

Allegories my friend....lol...and you couldnt be more in the dark....fluff huh....lol...clean out your ears then kiddo....I read the bible as a small kid cover to cover and I am not religious now nor was I then.... I read it for the same reason I have read the Quran and the Vedic Texts because it was interesting , I have read multiple versions of these doctrinal writings...and of others....before I was an adult....reason -logic -evidence -history -science -logic -stories...….your last post is really 7 words long...you are having a hard time reasoning why logic shows that the evidence that history and science present conflict and why logic tells you the stories are based on the context of these evidences . The rest of your post was only FLUFF....lol..you trying to be shy....lol.

That's good for you. Interesting != true though.

Reasonable logic will tell you that much of the evidence presented in many doctrinal histories disguised as allegories is validated generically by ever evolving science so by proxy logic tells us also that the doctrinal allegory laced stories we read based upon this historical evidence will eventually in large be validated by science.

Reasonable logic tells me that humans embellish stories and evidence outside of human opinions is necessary to substantiate any story. Especially stories dating back thousands of years.

You already have the tools and you have already stepped upon the path of truth...so why stop now....your feet haven't been burned by truth they have been soothed by it and prepared for further journey upon a path of truthful relief as opposed to a path of painfull untruths.


You aready know that contex within content is the key to control because of the ways you describe your current views of your religious indoctrinations....

originally posted by: one4all
You already have the tools and you have already stepped upon the path of truth...so why stop now....your feet haven't been burned by truth they have been soothed by it and prepared for further journey upon a path of truthful relief as opposed to a path of painfull untruths.


You aready know that contex within content is the key to control because of the ways you describe your current views of your religious indoctrinations....

See. This argument that the Bible is allegorical is a goal post that is all over the place. There is no clear place where we can sit down and say, "well this isn't true and is clearly an allegory, but THIS is true." As a history book it is very untrustworthy and as a book for life advice it is pretty shoddy since you need to make caveats for the Old Testament rules to stone disobedient children and stuff. Then, because the bible contradicts itself throughout the chapters, you have the hate mongers who use it to justify hating gays or other races.

It may be a great book to read and digest the stories, but it really shouldn't be seen as anything more than a book of fiction. Take Aesop's Fables. It's a GREAT book to teach lessons with, but none of the stories are true.

originally posted by: Agartha


hahaaha I see you don't know. Let me try to explain it very simply: living cells do not contradict entropy as they are not closed systems. This means entropy does not contradict evolution.

Perfect example of ignorant trolling. The Big Bang falls on its rear by entropy, long, long before you even have cells, that cell, itself, contradicting evolution by thousands of coincident points of irreducible complexity, required of its life, order that could not have evolved.

You're just throwing stuff out there, have no idea what your point is, even, just a non-answer to anything, this "closed system" thing addressing nothing, whatsoever, not even on topic of the serious, inescapable problem with entropy that presents itself, long before you even get to any living organism. You should be getting some education, instead of parading your ignorance in forums. QED. And thank you for making my case. Any more profound insights you have?

As to this concept Christians are like some milk toast toadies of any and all blasphemous fools, which we are told to rebuke, also, just some examples of some things Jesus Christ had to say to the unrepentant:

Matthew 23

13 But woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you shut up the kingdom of heaven against men; for you neither go in yourselves, nor do you allow those who are entering to go in.

14 Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you devour widows' houses, and for a pretense make long prayers. Therefore you will receive greater condemnation.

15 Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you travel land and sea to win one proselyte, and when he is won, you make him twice as much a son of hell as yourselves.

23 Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have neglected the weightier matters of the law: justice and mercy and faith. These you ought to have done, without leaving the others undone.

25 Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you cleanse the outside of the cup and dish, but inside they are full of extortion and self-indulgence.

27 Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you are like whitewashed tombs which indeed appear beautiful outwardly, but inside are full of dead men's bones and all uncleanness.

Luke 11

44 Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you are like graves which are not seen, and the men who walk over them are not aware of them.

Yep. That Christ is really unChristian in His behavior, isn't He? I'm, actually, a real wuss, compared to what God would have to say to you, all of you that have stored up His wrath. Maybe I should be Biblical, call you fools, children of the devil, dead men walking, stiffnecked fools, which, in fact, is the same as blind idiot, insane or morons? We could go on and on about how your ilk are described in scripture. You prefer to be addressed as scripture addresses you, then?

You know something else, and you know this, hypocrites. You say Christian this or Christian that behavior, whenever your bluff is called and a light is shown on what you really are, but you try, any way possible, to insult God and faith in God, the most important Being in a person of faith's life, your tooth fairy idiots this, God is evil, Bible nonsense, stupid believers this and that, all of us should simply vanish from history, since you can't kill us. I have heard it all, and all my life. You rail against and try to persecute the Christian and the Christian faith any and every chance you get, in the most insulting ways possible. Yet you wouldn't like us telling you your father is a piece of excrement, if he exists and you didn't spring from a dog, that your wife and mother are crack whores, your mother should have aborted an idiot like you, that we wish God would throw you in hell right now, which we don't, but wouldn't appreciate stuff like that, would you? Defaming God, the Creator, is far worse than defaming any creature.

Of course you don't like to get as you give, you never do. But, like psychopaths, you don't mind dishing that out to others. Nope. Really, what a bunch morons, with no consistency, at all, truly, as the Lord stated, hypocrites, fools.

originally posted by: Krazysh0t

originally posted by: one4all
You already have the tools and you have already stepped upon the path of truth...so why stop now....your feet haven't been burned by truth they have been soothed by it and prepared for further journey upon a path of truthful relief as opposed to a path of painfull untruths.


You aready know that contex within content is the key to control because of the ways you describe your current views of your religious indoctrinations....

See. This argument that the Bible is allegorical is a goal post that is all over the place. There is no clear place where we can sit down and say, "well this isn't true and is clearly an allegory, but THIS is true." As a history book it is very untrustworthy and as a book for life advice it is pretty shoddy since you need to make caveats for the Old Testament rules to stone disobedient children and stuff. Then, because the bible contradicts itself throughout the chapters, you have the hate mongers who use it to justify hating gays or other races.

It may be a great book to read and digest the stories, but it really shouldn't be seen as anything more than a book of fiction.

It is not a goal post that is all over the place...it is the numbered language that dictates your yardage on the field of play....it is the BASE....there are many clear places where we can sit down and observe that evidence dictates allegorical truths are embedded within the context content and verbage ...BUT ONLY IF....we align the discussed doctrine with OTHER major Doctrines.....then not only will we see the macro-paralells but we will also see the micro-paralells and it is within these smaller details that we will begin to view the commonalities as evidence of proof....proof that within each Doctrine exist the same truths and the same dynamic machinations designed to bastardise the truths and create what we now call religon.....the SAME STORY is at the HEART of every major Doctrine on Earth....and it is a tangible history book which has been bastardised and manipulated and disenfanchised.

Yes the Bible is as you say in terms of how it has been bastardised commercialised and used as a weapon of manipulation and deceptions while hiding behind the good intentions of the many within these flocks who are kept in the dark and pacified....
but there is no point waxing poetic about the wrong things within all of these different doctrines because you see WE NEED the dynamic patterning required to enable these wrong things to REVERSE-EXTRAPOLATE the truths out of each doctrine in a symbiotic paralell manner...

The ORIGINAL book the data found within the bible AND ALL OTHER MAJOR DOCTRINES AND THEIR OFF-SHOOTS was gleaned from was a HISTORY BOOK a truthful history devoid of any imaginary god or diety based content...in fact quite the opposite when you unravel it all because the pursuit of organised empowered religon is specificlly discussed...LMAO....I wont give away any of the best parts....lol.

a reply to: Scrutinizing

Perfect example of ignorant trolling.

Yes

answering a question that you could not is extreme trolling

have you reported that poster?

You're just throwing stuff out there, have no idea what your point is

you mean like the posters that post random bible scripture as replies to others?

a reply to: one4all

Aligning the Bible with other historical religious texts is like saying that the X-Men and Superman are the same because they are both comic books about super heroes.

Personally, I see nothing wrong with studying the history of religion and how it developed in the ancient world, and to do that you need to read the texts to understand the beliefs. However, I don't see any truths within them that cannot be gleamed from more reliable sources.

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: one4all

Aligning the Bible with other historical religious texts is like saying that the X-Men and Superman are the same because they are both comic books about super heroes.

Personally, I see nothing wrong with studying the history of religion and how it developed in the ancient world, and to do that you need to read the texts to understand the beliefs. However, I don't see any truths within them that cannot be gleamed from more reliable sources.

There are no more reliable sources...Secret Societies have hidden and preserved this knowledge for epochs....all reliable sources will flow back to this mother source of data.Religons and Secret Societies do not blend because one group has bastardised the truth that another group holds true to and preserves.

Everybody is pulling on the same Rope just in different directions...lol.

a reply to: one4all

Uh huh... "Secret Societies". If you say so.

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: one4all

Uh huh... "Secret Societies". If you say so.

Well this is why you don't understand that every 3657 years our Global Societies get absolutely wiped away...and that this is a cyclical event which is why history really does keep repeating itself...it is not an illusion...we are constantly re-discovering not inventing.All major religons are aware of this cycle and have worked with different Governments and private groups to ensure their survival and their longevity as entities....by keeping the Sheeple subdued while they are furtively building massive Underground shelters and by attempting to set up off-planet...

I spent part of yesterday afternoon picking up bits and pieces of petrified flesh...and bone...and I mean meat with fat and sinews and connective tissues all 100% clearly visible definable and color correct...and I know how and why ....lol...I have worked on Oil Rigs and TASTED FRESH OIL from thousands of feet below the surface it didn't taste bad and I know how and why ....believe what you must.

originally posted by: one4all

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: one4all

Uh huh... "Secret Societies". If you say so.

Well this is why you don't understand that every 3657 years our Global Societies get absolutely wiped away...and that this is a cyclical event which is why history really does keep repeating itself...it is not an illusion...we are constantly re-discovering not inventing.All major religons are aware of this cycle and have worked with different Governments and private groups to ensure their survival and their longevity as entities....by keeping the Sheeple subdued while they are furtively building massive Underground shelters and by attempting to set up off-planet...

Every 3657 years? That is AWFULLY precise. How does that align with the archeological record? Does the archeological record show that exactly 3657 years ago something wiped out society? What about the geological record? What does that say? Seems like something world altering like that would leave a mark for us to find by digging in the ground.

I spent part of yesterday afternoon picking up bits and pieces of petrified flesh...and bone...and I mean meat with fat and sinews and connective tissues all 100% clearly visible definable and color correct...and I know how and why ....lol...I have worked on Oil Rigs and TASTED FRESH OIL from thousands of feet below the surface it didn't taste bad and I know how and why ....believe what you must.

Uh... Ok...

a reply to: Krazysh0t

Wasn't having a go. I just know how the semantics get re-worded or twisted out of context to make 'atheism' into a belief system, which it isnt

a reply to: noonebutme

Oh yeah. That's why I didn't put up a fight. I understand COMPLETELY what you were doing and felt it was fair considering the rhetoric I was getting from the guy I was talking to.

originally posted by: Krazysh0t

originally posted by: one4all

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: one4all

Uh huh... "Secret Societies". If you say so.

Well this is why you don't understand that every 3657 years our Global Societies get absolutely wiped away...and that this is a cyclical event which is why history really does keep repeating itself...it is not an illusion...we are constantly re-discovering not inventing.All major religons are aware of this cycle and have worked with different Governments and private groups to ensure their survival and their longevity as entities....by keeping the Sheeple subdued while they are furtively building massive Underground shelters and by attempting to set up off-planet...

Every 3657 years? That is AWFULLY precise. How does that align with the archeological record? Does the archeological record show that exactly 3657 years ago something wiped out society? What about the geological record? What does that say? Seems like something world altering like that would leave a mark for us to find by digging in the ground.

I spent part of yesterday afternoon picking up bits and pieces of petrified flesh...and bone...and I mean meat with fat and sinews and connective tissues all 100% clearly visible definable and color correct...and I know how and why ....lol...I have worked on Oil Rigs and TASTED FRESH OIL from thousands of feet below the surface it didn't taste bad and I know how and why ....believe what you must.

Uh... Ok...

Arent you yet aware that science has made coal and oil and gemstones in the lab in short order and that nature also can work on this timetable...months and years not centuries and epochs.....lol...this is not new knowledge....they have made stone underground in 2 years flat.

originally posted by: one4all
Secret Societies have hidden and preserved this knowledge for epochs...

Which ones? Don't say Freemasonry as we aren't secret and if you knew what we did, you'd be disappointed with just how 'normal' it is.

all reliable sources will flow back to this mother source of data.

What are these reliable sources? Please list a few of them so i can read up and educate myself.