Why are people mad that you have to work for Food Stamps / WIC?

looks like no one is saying what the reality of being on Food stamps is .
first MAX per person is 190 a MONTH to receive that 190 a month you ether get a part time job doing alest 20 hours a week or civic service of 20 hours .
now the 20 hour job cuts benefits down to 50 to 70 $ a month right off the bat ,
And civic service is 20 hours a week of 80 a month for 190 in food which = out to 2 $ a hour in pay .
So yea dont expect any one to go rushing off to change for a crappy fast food joint job or walworld job in which every one on this sites thinks people should starve to work at .

For 30 years you who hold the power have let the government srew the poor now you dont like the results ?
the poor have no power they can only do what they are forced to do to survive .
But just keep doing what your doing cheer wile the same Government spends a billion on just ONE ship .

The fastest way to start a civil unrest is cut the poor totally off .
You really dont think they will just sit at home and starve of worst yet work at walworld or fast food and still starve ?

Yea they should all run out and get that 8 $ a hour job and starve lol .

originally posted by: Blaine91555
The next week a pastor from a nearby church drops by and asks us if either of us is willing to marry a woman from another country so they can get their green card. I find out I'm surrounding by people scamming the system

Off-topic but in my world we're planning that if there is any sniff of our EU mates losing 'right to remain' after Brexit.
I already know who I'm marrying, she is from Czech and a much loved friend anyway so the day at the registry office will be a party with all our friends.
Scamming the system for us in these 'new world' circumstances will be needed to 'fight the man'.
I have no shame about it because they are my friends.

...I'd even marry a US friend of mine if she ever needed life critical care and her insurance wouldn't cover it. Get it free here on the taxes we/I have paid in our 'socialist' world. I've told her plenty times.
I will do a scam marriage to help my loved friends, in a heartbeat.

a reply to: burdman30ott6

why would they do that when there's money to be made??

Child care is so expensive in New York City that City Council Speaker and mayoral frontrunner Christine Quinn is launching a loan program to help middle-class parents pay for daycare.

City Council Speaker Quinn unveiled a pilot program Monday to provide subsidized child care loans to families that she described as "middle class." Her office describes the plan as the first of its kind in the U.S.

Parents with children aged two to four will be able to receive loans of $11,000, at a 6% interest rate. Applicants must have an annual income of between $80,000 to $200,000, and a credit score of at least 620, according to Quinn's office. Their finances will be reviewed by financial counselors from the Neighborhood Trust Credit Union, which will administer the loans.

money.cnn.com...

lol... I don't know if the danged program was ever implemented... but it was considered... gov't guarenteed loans for middle income family's daycare!!!

a reply to: dawnstar

"Money to be made" is the crux of the welfare appologists' argument, though, is it not? Profiteering is what's causing the poverty crisis, ya? Not laziness on the part of the impoverished, so it seems fair to also start targeting the folks watching those kids. If one can look down their noses at those of us actually working and footing the bill for the rest, why not also look down your noses at the ones who are actually fleecing the poor via charging $800 a month to watch their little bastards?

a reply to: CornishCeltGuy

You're right. That is off topic but you might make a thread about that.

a reply to: JAGStorm

The House GOP farm bill would require able-bodied adults between the ages of 18 and 59, without dependents, to work at least 20 hours a week. Those who aren’t working would be required to take a minimum of 20 hours a week of new job training classes, requirements that would increase to 25 hours in 2026.

I see no problem with this. Most of the people on snap are working already anyway.
Plus the senate bill will probably cut that to less hours are might even get rid of it all together.

It is unlikely, however, that the work requirements from the House bill will be adopted by the Senate, where top Republicans on the agriculture committee have worked with Democrats to ensure the Senate farm bill avoids stricter work requirements and provisions to restrict eligibility.

a reply to: burdman30ott6

they're not fleecing the poor.... they are fleecing the taxpayers for the most part.
now consider the assistance they get to open and operate their child care business.....

originally posted by: Blaine91555
a reply to: CornishCeltGuy

You're right. That is off topic but you might make a thread about that.

Done
Interesting reading about the differences between UK/US welfare in this thread though.
Our worlds are so different.

originally posted by: smkymcnugget420
a reply to: IgnoranceIsntBlisss

$200 in groceries

yeah...for $200 PER WEEK in groceries AKA about $800 per month or around $10/hr.

and why not? odds are really high that if you on SNAP your also on section 8 for rent and medicaid for health insurance. i work my butt off for everything i have (groceries, rent and insurance are by far by biggest bills) and cant afford to go to the dr when i get sick, i can guarantee you they go to the dr for anything /everything... i know because half my friends are on it and do.

I'm pretty sure it's $200 per *month*.

Not per week.

a reply to: JAGStorm


This is so true! I just drove by a woman walking with 5 kids, looked like age ranges from a baby in a stroller (which was being pushed by another little one), and I literally always think “Why would you do that to yourself - getting pregnant over and over again. I would want a better life for my children.

It either has to be for extending benefits, they are STUPID, or maybe religious belief?

There needs to be caps; supposedly there are, but I don’t see it.

I have heard that the amount in snap benefits in MA is 200.00 per kid, not sure if that applies to everybody, but I had a neighbor who got $600.00/month in snap for her 3 kids.

“Why would you do that to yourself - getting pregnant over and over again. I would want a better life for my children.

a reply to: KTemplar

Subscribing to the fallacious idea that having children is just a burden on your awesome freedom and not the greatest thing you could ever do...

people have more kids when they feel more secure, what is more secure than the federal government paying for everything for you. THAT'S why they have more kids, because their basic needs are met, not gaming the system (although there are SOME that do). you could be the richest person in the world and end up with a drug addicted prick for a kid... or be in the lowest poverty level and have you kids grow up to be great things... the fallacy is that it is not where or under what conditions you raise them, but the values you raise them with. unfortunately the media and public school undermined the latter part in a big way.

a reply to: Riffrafter

you right... for a household of (1). i was basing it on the average family size of (4) persons.

originally posted by: smkymcnugget420
a reply to: Riffrafter

you right... for a household of (1). i was basing it on the average family size of (4) persons.

Really? I didn't know that.

Day-um...

I hate to see the system worked and abused. But I also think we have an obligation as a society to help those less fortunate. Maybe a time limit if the person is an able-bodied individual that can work? And if they have young kids, help them find daycare that's free at first and after they've been working for a while they can pay a nominal amount.

One thing I know from seeing some terrible things happen to people I know is that sh#t happens.

And usually when they can least afford to deal with it.

WIC....in Texas there isn't an income requirement.

In order to qualify for this benefit program, you must be a resident of the state of Texas; a pregnant, breastfeeding and/or postpartum woman; an infant or child up to 5 years of age; and individually determined by a health professional to be at nutrition risk.

I've never thought of WIC as "welfare". I've thought of it as a way for the state to trade you food in exchange for you spending a few moments to learn about basic safety and nutrition for your child (reduce abuse/neglect from morons).

a reply to: midnightstar

In college with nothing but a high school education I was making $12 an hour at Target. Literally anyone could do the job I did. This whole they can only get a job at $8 an hour is a lie. The amount of people who make that kind of money and not a high school teenager is almost zero.

a reply to: bigfatfurrytexan

The article is about SNAP, not WIC.

a reply to: OccamsRazor04

But the OP mentioned WIC.

I fully support SNAP recipients performing some labor for their benefits.

originally posted by: Blaine91555
Help for the working poor, by all means. Income disparity mandates we do that as a society.

No questions asked help for the infirm and the disabled, again by all means. We don't help enough, in particular with seniors who worked their whole lives only to live in poverty at the end.

For the able bodied, there simply is no excuse why they should not work at least part time for it. Beneficial to the community and beneficial to them. Going to school should be an acceptable substitute for the work, but only if they actually attend and get passing grades. For those not academically inclined, the trades pay very well and learning a trade could be another bonus for the person.

Something people don't or don't like to discuss is that just giving handouts to those who could but don't chose to work, is abuse. We are like any other animal and we all know if you feed wild animals, it's abuse because they lose the motivation to find their own food and they lose the ability to do so. So do people. We need a reason to get up in the morning.

Partisan garbage is always in the way of creating good, sound programs to help those in need. It's so badly mismanaged that it should not come as a surprise that the private sector could provide better for far less investment. The whole thing should be turned over to regulated non-profits to be managed. Government union workers will never be able to manage it without wasting half or more of the tax dollars they throw around. Out an out fraud must eat up a very large part of it.

.....this is exactly the right way to think about it.

I'm disabled and I get $1.51 a day in food stamps. It's not enough.

a reply to: BeenieWeenie

I think this is where we need a correction. If you are truly disabled, or elderly, that is where the money needs to go.