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Why are people mad that you have to work for Food Stamps / WIC?

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posted on Jun, 26 2018 @ 01:05 PM
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a reply to: Edumakated




Serious question, why would you have children if the salary isn't high enough to care for them? Where does personal responsibility come into play?


Personal responsibility is paramount. The WIC program isn't there to support people who don't work. Once again, go do some research.




posted on Jun, 26 2018 @ 01:07 PM
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originally posted by: projectvxn
a reply to: Edumakated




Serious question, why would you have children if the salary isn't high enough to care for them? Where does personal responsibility come into play?


Personal responsibility is paramount. The WIC program isn't there to support people who don't work. Once again, go do some research.




working or not, if you can't afford the little rug rats, you can't afford them....



posted on Jun, 26 2018 @ 01:07 PM
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It's really a problem of morality.
People take advantage of free stuff when fully capable of doing for themselves.
We've gone from being a society of givers to a society of takers.
It affects everything in our lives, much more than just Food stamps.
Like Rome America can fall due to internal decay and greed..



posted on Jun, 26 2018 @ 01:08 PM
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for two kids in day care
a reply to: Edumakated

there's your problem right there. your SO is working just so you can pay someone else to raise your kids... no thank you. just stay at home and raise them yourself... but let me guess, too caught up in the rockefeller-feminism push to give them that extra tax revenue.

what other kid related expenses? cloths? hand-me-downs... school? public school or home school? what else?



posted on Jun, 26 2018 @ 01:10 PM
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originally posted by: projectvxn
a reply to: Edumakated




Serious question, why would you have children if the salary isn't high enough to care for them? Where does personal responsibility come into play?


Personal responsibility is paramount. The WIC program isn't there to support people who don't work. Once again, go do some research.




I saw in one state, you qualify for WIC if you make $1800/mo or less for 1 child... $1800/mo is $21,600/yr. A single person with no expenses can barely take care of themselves on $21,600/yr so WTF would someone have a child making so little?

Condoms are free.

Just saying it is irresponsibility that the rest of us wind up paying for...



posted on Jun, 26 2018 @ 01:11 PM
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a reply to: smkymcnugget420




also i specifically referred to SNAP benefits which as you should know... is not WIC, i mean it doesn't even have any of the same letters.


Context is everything. So before you decide to make snide comments at me, at least be right. To wit:

You responded to this post from IgnoranceIsntBliss who was talking about WIC benefits:

$200 in groceries


with the following from you:

yeah...for $200 PER WEEK in groceries AKA about $800 per month or around $10/hr.

and why not? odds are really high that if you on SNAP your also on section 8 for rent and medicaid for health insurance. i work my butt off for everything i have (groceries, rent and insurance are by far by biggest bills) and cant afford to go to the dr when i get sick,


While you may have mentioned SNAP benefits, that was not the context.



posted on Jun, 26 2018 @ 01:13 PM
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originally posted by: IgnoranceIsntBlisss
Does that mean "work" 20 hours a week, or 80 hours a month, for $200 in groceries?


As opposed to a straight up handout? Yes, yes it does. Those of us with guile work 40+ hours per week to see a couple hundred of our earnings leaving our paychecks to subsidize the parasitic welfare system, so what's the problem here?



posted on Jun, 26 2018 @ 01:13 PM
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a reply to: Edumakated




I saw in one state, you qualify for WIC if you make $1800/mo or less for 1 child... $1800/mo is $21,600/yr. A single person with no expenses can barely take care of themselves on $21,600/yr so WTF would someone have a child making so little?


In principle I agree with you. But reality is far more complicated than this comment could possibly give credit for. It's not all black and white.



Condoms are free.


Elitist attitude and use of logical fallacies.




Just saying it is irresponsibility that the rest of us wind up paying for...


Is it ALL irresponsibility? Sometimes life isn't cut and dry man.



posted on Jun, 26 2018 @ 01:14 PM
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a reply to: projectvxn

No, but they are underpaid by a substantial amount. Well below the minimum wage if you take in account the number of hours they are required to work at times, 24 even 48 hours straight. Not to mention they are risking life and limb around the world every day, often for the same downtrodden people you advocate for.

No one is denying help through WIC or the EBT programs, however, a helping hand works only if you are willing to help yourself. Work is an excellent way to build self esteem and confidence, eventually allowing, God forbid, the working man or woman the opportunity to pass it on and help someone else.

It should not be seen as a negative that an individual is asked to help others while receiving help them selves, perhaps working as a child care giver for another while that person acts as an elder care specialist.

Programs like that which provide valuable training for individuals could lead to real employment opportunities and provide needed services to others who also need helping hands, not too much to ask in my opinion.
edit on 6/26/2018 by DJMSN because: Addition

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posted on Jun, 26 2018 @ 01:15 PM
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a reply to: Edumakated




working or not, if you can't afford the little rug rats, you can't afford them....


So your answer is what then?



posted on Jun, 26 2018 @ 01:17 PM
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originally posted by: smkymcnugget420



for two kids in day care
a reply to: Edumakated

there's your problem right there. your SO is working just so you can pay someone else to raise your kids... no thank you. just stay at home and raise them yourself... but let me guess, too caught up in the rockefeller-feminism push to give them that extra tax revenue.

what other kid related expenses? cloths? hand-me-downs... school? public school or home school? what else?


The math doesn't work... I forget what it is off the top my head, but we had calculated that if you make less than $75k/yr around here you are better off just staying home instead of paying for daycare. Wife makes couple hundred grand a year, so we still come out far ahead with her working.

The other issue is that stepping away from career for several years would severely set her back. It is a lot easier to make a decision to stay home when you aren't on an executive track. I'm more likely to stay home as my career is more entrepreneurial so I wouldn't be set back as much.

The day care expense alone is about $3500 for a 4 year old and 1 year old. Things are expensive in major urban areas. Local churches are like $1000 for one kid and that is nothing fancy (no organic lunches and kiddie yoga BS).



posted on Jun, 26 2018 @ 01:20 PM
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a reply to: projectvxn

dude, you realize the article by OP is concerning food stamps AKA SNAP AKA EBT cards... WIC is a separate program. my comment was about SNAP aka food stamp, because it has way more abuse. you are the one stuck on WIC cuz its the only one with the emotional attachment of: "but what about the children"

IgnoranceIsntBliss was NOT taking about WIC, he said 200 in groceries... from food stamps, there is no WAY anyone gets 200 a week in WIC. that's not how the program works... i see that you are clearly triggered by this, read more slowly.

i keep taking about food stamps you keep taking about WIC... i have no problem with WIC, i said that...they don't even come in the same format...did you know that? WIC is a check, food stamps is a debit card.

it is entirely in context with the OP, you are the one digressing. in fact WIC isn't mentioned once in the OP article or OP's post.



posted on Jun, 26 2018 @ 01:24 PM
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a reply to: JAGStorm

I've worked since age 16, from Royal Navy, central government, to local government and latterly self employed. I've paid taxes all my life, and lots of it.
I've had health issues lately though (possibly MS) so I've been using the state services more than I ever have, sporadic days of working when I'm able to.
As a result, my income level has put me into a bracket where I qualify for lots of stuff. I get a full rebate on my council tax (property tax) so don't have to pay it anymore, plus cash benefits weekly based on the national insurance I've paid all my working life.

I'm not proud of it, and actually feel ashamed to be honest, but it is what it is.
Today I saw my doctor, got given lots of drugs - Free.
I had an eye examination at the optician's in the afternoon, getting glasses for my short sight in a week - Free.
Having another CT scan at the hospital next week - Free.
Dentist appointment in a week or so, lots of work needed, replacement crowns of smashed teeth - Free

I declare any work I do because I don't want to accept I'm 'disabled' and sit back wallowing, but I understand why some people do.
I've got 20+ years before my state pension starts and I've already qualified in full for it due to the years I've worked and the national insurance I've paid.

I've never had a problem with the UK welfare system being abused by some people, even when I was paying thousands in tax, but now I'm in need myself I wouldn't change it for the world for obvious reasons.

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Off-topic, but eye examinations have changed massively since my navy medicals! I was expecting to look at a poster with letters on the wall, but 4 or 5 different machines testing allsorts. Opticians are private enterprises here but licensed and invoice the NHS. My bill was nearly £300 including the new glasses...I went for a fantastic pair of thin gold rimmed 'aviator' style, think CHIPS California Highway Patrol TV series if anyone is old enough to remember them lol


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posted on Jun, 26 2018 @ 01:24 PM
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Wife makes couple hundred grand a year, so we still come out far ahead with her working.
a reply to: Edumakated

dammmmm dude, good for her!

meanwhile i'm over hear supporting my family as a single income bread winner at a little over 50k a year... mo money mo problems i guess...i live in a city too not THE city, but still...



posted on Jun, 26 2018 @ 01:25 PM
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a reply to: smkymcnugget420




i keep taking about food stamps you keep taking about WIC... i have no problem with WIC, i said that...they don't even come in the same format...did you know that? WIC is a check, food stamps is a debit card. it is entirely in context with the OP, you are the one digressing. in fact WIC isn't mentioned once in the OP article or OP's post.


The OP is about WIC partially:

This is the title:

Why are people mad that you have to work for Food Stamps / WIC?
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posted on Jun, 26 2018 @ 01:25 PM
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originally posted by: JAGStorm
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Somebody please explain to me why this is a bad thing. If you are an able bodied adult, why can't you work? A 20 hour work week is nothing. My son works 14-15 hours some work day and you are telling me a person can't work that in a week? A week!
Where I live there are help wanted signs everywhere, seriously, you could be blindfolded and throw a dart and hit a place that is hiring.

I've had friends post on FB and other sites that they are angry that one must work to stay on these programs.

I'm not against the downtrodden, and I know there are people that have just had bad luck and are in a bad place. I don't think providing and endless supply of food for an endless period will help anything (we aren't talking disabled etc.)






Because for some there are no jobs, they may have 4 kids...no car...whatever...where they live. Daycare is astronomically high for even 1 kid.

Now, single able body recipients should do something for their benefits absolutely.



posted on Jun, 26 2018 @ 01:28 PM
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originally posted by: smkymcnugget420
a reply to: IgnoranceIsntBlisss




$200 in groceries


yeah...for $200 PER WEEK in groceries AKA about $800 per month or around $10/hr.


WHO is getting $800 per monthy for groceries? Who even needs that much? How does working 20 hours a week just for groceries even make sense?

It doesnt.

And thats why I axed if thats even what it means.
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posted on Jun, 26 2018 @ 01:42 PM
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wic is for pregnant women and families with young children. think once those kids reach school age, they are no longer eligible for wic.
it also can't be used to buy garbage. you can only purchase eligible food... cheese, milk, healthy food!! you also get instruction on nutrition, balanced diets and the like along with monitoring the health of mother and child. now to care for you newborn, ect.
I always love it when the conservatives think it's such a great idea to send mothers of young children out into the workforce.... as if it's gonna result in less money being spent on welfare... especially if they are the same ones routinely using terms like feminazi claiming how mothers need to be home with the kids...

so your single mom goes out and finds a job so she can keep her food stamps and wic... okay...
so, what is she supposed to do with her younger than school aged kids while she is at work....
oh, ya, that's right, day care centers... where is she supposed to come up with the money for that?
there's a pretty good chance that she isn't gonna be making enough to cover it, then you also have to account for the cost of her to get those kids to that day care center and her to the work site..
of which guess what... is accounted for by the social programs when figuring out just how much help she needs...
so you end up paying more!!!

ya, it's such a great idea!!!



posted on Jun, 26 2018 @ 01:43 PM
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originally posted by: JAGStorm
Somebody please explain to me why this is a bad thing. If you are an able bodied adult, why can't you work?

Maybe because you're trying to take care of babies after that no-good man left you. Maybe you're too sick or injured to work.

On a practical note, requiring someone to work is also going to require providing them with appropriate insurance coverage as well as supervision. So maybe it's just cheaper to give them enough support so they don't have to turn tricks so their kids can eat, and so they don't have to continue that grinding poverty / crime cycle that we all eventually end up paying for one way or another -- prisons, increased police protection, personal security systems, etc.

I know that in this country working is framed as a virtue. However, shouldn't the ultimate goal of any advanced society be that nobody has to work unless they want to?



posted on Jun, 26 2018 @ 01:47 PM
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as far as I know, and I could be wrong...
wic is more like coupons for free food, you get coupons for low fat milk, cheese- not the processed imitation, real cheese, healthy cereal, real juice, ect... not sure but you might even get some for fresh fruits and vegatables.
oh.... and baby formula...



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