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Immigration to a Native American tribe in US how would it work?

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posted on Jun, 16 2018 @ 10:41 AM
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originally posted by: LABTECH767
a reply to: WarriorMH


Actually you were correct but I am stubborn and sometimes find it hard to back down.
And you don't have a big mouth, that is more my forte.


I do have it lmao, in a way that I go so far and say something that can't be turned back and destroy things in very bad ways, I just didn't get there now. But oh well let's just forget about that




posted on Jun, 16 2018 @ 10:43 AM
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a reply to: TheJesuit

But I don't think any government would accept that, aren't they already barely able to keep their 'nations' together? How could they expand it otherwise?



posted on Jun, 16 2018 @ 10:46 AM
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originally posted by: WarriorMH

But he was asking about becoming Native American, being part of them, not just Mexican but in general, from the continent

How you go about it? Can it be done?



Are we not all Native Americans, those who were born here? American Indian ancestry is Chinese BTW..



posted on Jun, 16 2018 @ 10:51 AM
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a reply to: TheJesuit

there is no immigration issue we don't have to accept all of the worlds poor on the backs of american labor

get over it



posted on Jun, 16 2018 @ 10:54 AM
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originally posted by: Xtrozero

originally posted by: WarriorMH

But he was asking about becoming Native American, being part of them, not just Mexican but in general, from the continent

How you go about it? Can it be done?



Are we not all Native Americans, those who were born here? American Indian ancestry is Chinese BTW..


I don't really know, it is confusing, I always assumed that everyone born on the Americas was American and people from native families were native, turns out native American are considered just the ones born inside the US territory, but from indigenous families, everyone else is just American(us) , Mexican, Chilean, Cuban and so on. I think that's very wrong but oh well

To clarify, never heard of 'Native-Mexican' or Native-argentinan or whatever
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posted on Jun, 16 2018 @ 10:56 AM
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originally posted by: Xtrozero

originally posted by: WarriorMH

But he was asking about becoming Native American, being part of them, not just Mexican but in general, from the continent

How you go about it? Can it be done?



Are we not all Native Americans, those who were born here? American Indian ancestry is Chinese BTW..


if you're white you don't have any land and you must work in slave camps to pay for what the British did 300 years ago



posted on Jun, 16 2018 @ 10:59 AM
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originally posted by: WarriorMH

I don't really know, it is confusing, I always assumed that everyone born on the Americas was American and people from native families were native, turns out native American are considered just the ones born inside the US territory, everyone else is Mexican, Chilean, Cuban and so on. I think that's very wrong but oh well

To clarify, never heard of 'Native-Mexican' or Native-argentinan or whatever


A lot of EU/African mix in the Americas, I guess what we would call original natives (those who crossed the Bering Strait during the ice age) are few and far in between.



posted on Jun, 16 2018 @ 11:02 AM
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originally posted by: LABTECH767
a reply to: WarriorMH


I would NEVER raise a hand to a woman, so I surrender unconditionally, sorry it just rubbed me up a little and by the way I am sorry for mentioning politics.

Now you know I feel bad, old fashioned like that.


Everyone thinks I'm a guy, because I come out like that when I speak or don't know lmao

I don't care I am how I am so no worry and no offense taken



posted on Jun, 16 2018 @ 11:02 AM
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originally posted by: TheJesuit
So Here's a list of Possible tribes in the Americas and associated areas

www.native-languages.org...

www.native-languages.org...

Looking for a basic way for them to expand numbers and give a voice to those numbers for concessions and also try in some way to solve an immigration issue although after looking they fall under US jurisdiction for common laws but being a member/adoptee/ associate of a tribe would Change the nature of an illegals Status no?
i think NA Policy could be changed to incorporate these other nationals on the principal of heritage? EX

Plains Indians originally, the Arapaho Indian nation was split in half by American conquest .

I think if they super organized all the historic tribes in the Americas continent they could probably move freely under that umbrella from Chile to Canada abiding by the local criminal laws of course but in a separate category specifically for free travel within?

or not dunno just throwing that theory out there it could be done if organized and lobbied i guess i mean there's more than " xx "two genders "xy" now so anything is possible right? throw money at that.


Think about the casino money... Trump would love a piece of that lol But given research it's possible. Any think tank's out there that would or has rolled this theory around?



posted on Jun, 16 2018 @ 11:04 AM
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a reply to: TheJesuit

no one but you and Justin Trudeau is rolling this theory around majority of us don't have white guilt or take responsibility for something that happens 100's of years ago



posted on Jun, 16 2018 @ 11:06 AM
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originally posted by: toysforadults


if you're white you don't have any land and you must work in slave camps to pay for what the British did 300 years ago


I think that was more the Spanish when they decimated 100 million or more with diseases and destroyed whole civilizations for their religion and greed...lol I'm also surprised the Dutch have not been sued for creating the age of slavery in America. The Brits and French were not much better though. But hey I was born here and my ancestry is not even from any of those, but it is my fault. Go figure...



posted on Jun, 16 2018 @ 11:13 AM
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originally posted by: WarriorMH

originally posted by: SummerRain

originally posted by: WarriorMH
a reply to: SummerRain

Why are you so angry, I don't know anything about this, I was just asking and wondering, I'm sorry


Lol I'm not angry brother..

I guess I read your OP wrong. I dunno, it was vague.

I was born where I am, and in my mind that makes me a native of this country. But I could no more be an Aborigine than an albino.

That's all I was saying.


I am not the OP, I asked following what the OP said

I am not even american I would say I am slavik at most, I'm not a guy

I don't even know what I am anymore after this thread lmao

My eyes are greyish and my skin whitish, my hair red blond and my grandma was white like a ghost, I don't even know what to say

I think I will just shut up now lol


lol I forgot the thread you left the other day, where you corrected someone calling you a guy. oops.

You are a native of the planet earth, as we all are. Unfortunately, some natives are very protective of their kin. Others have to be wary of other natives who have vastly different cultures to their own.

But given that you have red/blond hair, as I do, then you're obviously one of the superior natives.


*slips back off into the corner*



posted on Jun, 16 2018 @ 11:14 AM
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Here's a starting point, the article is basic but if requirements to become a member were more open wouldn't the US have to abide with their self determination requirements?

www.theroot.com...

A few interesting snippets:

Blood quantum historically served as a method for the BIA to determine who was considered “Indian.”

When blood quantum is used by the BIA, it is recorded on a Certificate of Degree of Indian or Alaska Native Blood (pdf), or CDIB, card.

A CDIB does not establish membership in a tribe, since that status is determined by the sovereign nation

So the tribes DO ultimately have control of whom they let in to their Tribes It's Possible then given they would change Membership Requirements...
A separate category maybe and an huge increase membership ..... with abilities to lobby ? i dunno just throwing it out to see what sticks

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posted on Jun, 16 2018 @ 11:20 AM
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originally posted by: WarriorMH

originally posted by:

I don't really know what you're asking. Is it a play on the "I can be a girl if I want to" theme, that is manifesting everywhere? It seems more like that episode of seinfeld, where Professor white became a Jew, and was telling Jew jokes to which seinfeld complained to a priest.

"And this offends you as a Jewish person?"
"No, it offends me as a comedian."


I don't have a clue at all what this all means, I know who Seinfeld is but not much more. You can be whatever you want I know who I am and this episode thing and Jew stuff doesn't really mean much. I think we have very different cultures and I don't know very well about yours yet, sorry


My culture? It's of one. I don't fit in with the typical citizen here. I don't fit in with others. I'm a shadow, watching the world from the cracks in the facade.

I like rice and peri peri spatchcock. At the same time. Pizza covered in every kind of chili. but also long walks along the river. One day, I'll see another ghost, and I can rob them of their memories, and live vicariously through the eyes of someone longing to be alive again.

Or fade into the oblivion from whence I came.



posted on Jun, 16 2018 @ 11:29 AM
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originally posted by: WarriorMH

originally posted by: Xtrozero

originally posted by: WarriorMH

But he was asking about becoming Native American, being part of them, not just Mexican but in general, from the continent

How you go about it? Can it be done?



Are we not all Native Americans, those who were born here? American Indian ancestry is Chinese BTW..


I don't really know, it is confusing, I always assumed that everyone born on the Americas was American and people from native families were native, turns out native American are considered just the ones born inside the US territory, but from indigenous families, everyone else is just American(us) , Mexican, Chilean, Cuban and so on. I think that's very wrong but oh well

To clarify, never heard of 'Native-Mexican' or Native-argentinan or whatever


I think it refers more to the fact that their ancestors were there before anyone else. Same issue here. We have Native Australians, Native Title acts, etc.

Indigenous peoples. Custodians.

But when some smart mouth 16 year old tells me it's his land because he was there first, I pull out my birth certificate and educate him that as I'm old enough to have had him aborted if he had been mine, I was in fact, here first.

This earth is a constantly swirling mass of form. No one owns it. We just grab hold of parts of it till such time it no longer exists. It just happens so slowly that we think we own it.

And these past 500 or so years are nothing in the span of eternity.



posted on Jun, 16 2018 @ 11:52 AM
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a reply to: TheJesuit



Ummm...wouldn't that be the definition of...cultural appropriation...?

I mean...I really don't consider eating a pizza...me attempting to become Sicilian...Or Hot and Sour soup...Chinese...

But wanting to appropriate another culture just for expediencies sake to try and skirt immigration law...ummm...no...








YouSir



posted on Jun, 16 2018 @ 12:20 PM
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Cultural appropriation? it's how cultural transition happens thru out history ex:

Easter-originally a German pagan festival, Christmas historically WAS Jesus really born on Dec 25th? , Tibetan Buddhism i thought the buddha was Indian?, its actually happening in the EU right now if you could fast forward and then look at its history- when it becomes part of a caliphate. It happens.

Look at the benefits for the tribes- pop 2009 -2013 population 2,907,272 now increase to :

Pew estimated the total population to be 11.1 million in 2014, or approximately 3 percent of the U.S. population. This "is in the same ballpark" as figures from the United States Department of Homeland Security (DHS), which estimated that 11.4 million illegal immigrants lived in the United States in January 2012.

That's a voice with potential, inside the US legal system with concessions required.

Well like any other topic thisdiscussion will fade from our very short attention spans .......

I'm just looking for a amicable solution because the current and past SOP isn't working just look at today's immigration news headlines!

OK im Done ATS Discuss!
a reply to: YouSir



posted on Jun, 16 2018 @ 01:50 PM
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I’m 1/32nd Choctaw and a member of the tribe. Yes, you can move into the tribal lands without question as long as you buy or rent a home there. Like many others, the Choctaw tribal reservation which, after being forcibly moved there from the homelands along the Mississippi River, encompasses 10 1/2 counties in southeastern Oklahoma. These, like most other reservations were sold off parcel at a time by the Choctaw people themselves, so there are lots of properties available.

The Choctaw nation is sovereign over he 10 1/2 counties and police it with a very modern force. They own hundreds of thousand of acres set aside for preservation and various tribal business assets and health care/hospital locations...etc. They police it, build it and run everything within those counties. They have a LOT of money, like billions and billions in the black kind of money and thankfully they are using it to build up that part of the state and invest in their people. I just visited the new health clinic in Durant and it’s pretty posh. State of the art everything.

No, you can’t be a Choctaw unless you have either Choctaw or Chickasaw blood coursing through your veins. Sorry, but it’s a sovereign right and those of us who are left take it very seriously.

If you aren’t just trolling and actually want to discover your tribal roots and gain membership in whatever tribe, you could search for your ancestors on the Dawes rolls. If they signed the rolls then you are good. You then need to apply for your BIA card which will show your percentage, then apply for tribal membership.



posted on Jun, 16 2018 @ 04:40 PM
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a reply to: SummerRain

What? Wasn't it a dentist who converted to Judaism? "Anti-dentite" was part of the same episode iirc.



posted on Jun, 16 2018 @ 05:30 PM
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originally posted by: DictionaryOfExcuses
a reply to: SummerRain

What? Wasn't it a dentist who converted to Judaism? "Anti-dentite" was part of the same episode iirc.


It was!

Jerry was shunned by everyone for being an anti-dentite, except the woman who also made fun of dentists... and blacks, jews, etc. as the credits rolled.

It was Walter White from Breaking Bad playing the dentist.

-- the slowness of this forum is unbearable. takes 5 minutes to quote someone, and 5 minutes to even edit a damn post. ffs
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