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Immigration to a Native American tribe in US how would it work?

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posted on Jun, 16 2018 @ 08:53 AM
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a reply to: Gothmog

So if he was Mayan or Aztec, partially, he would still not be considered native? Because of the mixed blood?

Then that's sad, is there really any true native american still around?




posted on Jun, 16 2018 @ 09:07 AM
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a reply to: WarriorMH

I can't get a moko and parade around stating I am a maori, either.

You can't be a fish, it's that simple. No matter how much you like to swim.

I don't really know what you're asking. Is it a play on the "I can be a girl if I want to" theme, that is manifesting everywhere? It seems more like that episode of seinfeld, where Professor white became a Jew, and was telling Jew jokes to which seinfeld complained to a priest.

"And this offends you as a Jewish person?"
"No, it offends me as a comedian."



posted on Jun, 16 2018 @ 09:11 AM
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originally posted by: WarriorMH

originally posted by: LABTECH767

Who discovered America again?.



No one did, it was there all along and people came and went forever like the vikings and others and eventually someone with an idiotic mindset though the world revolved around they and what they believed and then we were born and got here like idiot fools


And you'd not be there, nor I here, had anything ever in the past been different.

Those idiot fools, inadvertently, created today.

Now what?



posted on Jun, 16 2018 @ 09:14 AM
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originally posted by: WarriorMH

originally posted by: MichiganSwampBuck

originally posted by: WarriorMH

originally posted by: MichiganSwampBuck
Before the Europeans came to the Americas, the "Indian Nations" had tribal affiliations, language groups for the most part. They all had their territories and unless they were at war over said territories, they respected each other like separate states through trade and other arrangements.

After the Europeans came in and stirred things up and caused migrations to occur, the tribes mixed together more, largely due to the massive die off from European diseases. During those times the Native Americans north of Mexico were still more or less separated by language, life style and tradition from those further south.

Today the Native Americans have greater respect for the different tribes, but are still separate like individual countries within another country. Also they are bound by loyalty to their host countries. So although they consider all tribes related in many ways, they have retained their individual tribal affiliations and so members from other tribes would need to be adopted like we can apply for citizenship to other countries. Also, most of the tribes believe they came from the land they occupy or had occupied, and so each tribe is directly connected to their individual tribal lands, effectively making each tribe a foreign country with respect to the others.


But if you were from a Mayan tribe and wanted to become a citizen of a tribe in the current US land, like cherokiy or another, how would you do that? I think that was the question


I did answer your question. I know it was a long-esh post, but it was in there.

So although they consider all tribes related in many ways, they have retained their individual tribal affiliations and so members from other tribes would need to be adopted like we can apply for citizenship to other countries.



No you did not, what is the process to get 'adopted' on any of those tribes, where is it?



Maybe ask them? I don't think anyone here has ever been seeking adoption from a Native American Indian tribe, to be able to answer you.

It's frankly, an absurd notion.



posted on Jun, 16 2018 @ 09:16 AM
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originally posted by: SummerRain
a reply to: WarriorMH

I can't get a moko and parade around stating I am a maori, either.

You can't be a fish, it's that simple. No matter how much you like to swim.

I don't really know what you're asking. Is it a play on the "I can be a girl if I want to" theme, that is manifesting everywhere? It seems more like that episode of seinfeld, where Professor white became a Jew, and was telling Jew jokes to which seinfeld complained to a priest.

"And this offends you as a Jewish person?"
"No, it offends me as a comedian."


I'm sorry I don't really understand, I was saying that if you have native blood, from the original continent are not you native or what does define it?



posted on Jun, 16 2018 @ 09:18 AM
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a reply to: SummerRain

Was not that the original question of this thread?

I thought it was



posted on Jun, 16 2018 @ 09:21 AM
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a reply to: SummerRain

Why are you so angry, I don't know anything about this, I was just asking and wondering, I'm sorry



posted on Jun, 16 2018 @ 09:22 AM
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a reply to: TheJesuit

Tribal membership relates to family history, and each tribe has different procedures.

Native Americans technically have their own "nations."

Federally, Certificate of Indian Blood - Wiki



posted on Jun, 16 2018 @ 09:47 AM
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originally posted by: WarriorMH
a reply to: SummerRain

Why are you so angry, I don't know anything about this, I was just asking and wondering, I'm sorry


Lol I'm not angry brother..

I guess I read your OP wrong. I dunno, it was vague.

I was born where I am, and in my mind that makes me a native of this country. But I could no more be an Aborigine than an albino.

That's all I was saying.



posted on Jun, 16 2018 @ 09:49 AM
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originally posted by: Gothmog
Most of what folks call "Mexican" are not Mexican . They are Spaniards .
The true Mexicans are the few Mayans and Apache/Comanche that are left in Mexico.



I think Aztec's is more accurate for many. About all the ones around my little slice of FL are Aztec's pretty damn sure of it. I doubt our native Seminole's are much more fond of them then they are us white devils.



posted on Jun, 16 2018 @ 09:56 AM
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originally posted by: SummerRain

originally posted by: WarriorMH

originally posted by: Gothmog
Most of what folks call "Mexican" are not Mexican . They are Spaniards .
The true Mexicans are the few Mayans and Apache/Comanche that are left in Mexico.



But he was asking about becoming Native American, being part of them, not just Mexican but in general, from the continent

How you go about it? Can it be done?



No.

No more than you could become an Eskimo.


Not exactly true and there is precedent, of a sort.

Look up my Tribe's Freedmen.


Freedmen is one of the terms given to emancipated slaves and their descendants after slavery was abolished in the United States following the American Civil War. In this context, “Cherokee Freedmen” refers to the African-American men and women who were formerly slaves of the Cherokee before and after removal to Indian Territory. It includes the descendants of the former slaves, as well as those born in unions between formerly enslaved or enslaved African Americans and Cherokee tribal members.

During the American Civil War, the Cherokee who supported the Union abolished the practice of African slavery by act of the Cherokee National Council in 1863. The Cherokee Freedmen became citizens of the Cherokee Nation in accordance with a treaty made with the United States government a year after the Civil War ended.


Essentially the Cherokee adopted their slaves into the Tribe.

Now, there has been an ongoing legal battle (Cherokee are good at that... see Delaware Tribe for an example) but it was settled in 2017 to give the Freedmen Tribal rights as well.

So yes, Tribes have every right to adopt a people.

Now, whether or not a Tribe (Sovereign nation status) can circumvent US immigration policies would be interesting to hash out.




posted on Jun, 16 2018 @ 10:03 AM
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originally posted by: SummerRain

originally posted by: WarriorMH
a reply to: SummerRain

Why are you so angry, I don't know anything about this, I was just asking and wondering, I'm sorry


Lol I'm not angry brother..

I guess I read your OP wrong. I dunno, it was vague.

I was born where I am, and in my mind that makes me a native of this country. But I could no more be an Aborigine than an albino.

That's all I was saying.


I am not the OP, I asked following what the OP said

I am not even american I would say I am slavik at most, I'm not a guy

I don't even know what I am anymore after this thread lmao

My eyes are greyish and my skin whitish, my hair red blond and my grandma was white like a ghost, I don't even know what to say

I think I will just shut up now lol
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posted on Jun, 16 2018 @ 10:05 AM
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are you Justin Trudeau?



posted on Jun, 16 2018 @ 10:22 AM
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originally posted by:

I don't really know what you're asking. Is it a play on the "I can be a girl if I want to" theme, that is manifesting everywhere? It seems more like that episode of seinfeld, where Professor white became a Jew, and was telling Jew jokes to which seinfeld complained to a priest.

"And this offends you as a Jewish person?"
"No, it offends me as a comedian."


I don't have a clue at all what this all means, I know who Seinfeld is but not much more. You can be whatever you want I know who I am and this episode thing and Jew stuff doesn't really mean much. I think we have very different cultures and I don't know very well about yours yet, sorry



posted on Jun, 16 2018 @ 10:23 AM
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originally posted by: WarriorMH
a reply to: LABTECH767



sadly this also goes for the crime's we are ALL capable of committing against one another, a wall is never going to be the answer but here is a point, a peaceful and successful US is actually good for everyone and sometimes you have to partition your own strength to help others


If i could take your nasty politics and smack you in the head with them i would do so without any remorse, trust me.

Stop bringing that illness everywhere, this was about something else. Who told you the US is the center of the world or who writes the rules? Just stop!


You would be more than welcome to try son if I was in top form, I am a Brit, 6'2", 18 stone and loved Rugby back in the day you know not that pansy American football with all those safety pad's but real man's hard ball, also I am one eighth maori so may just eat you as well for supper.


That is direct reply to your comment but as for Nasty politic's, sorry about that I do like to stay out of other's business but not when some GIT whom I would dearly love to give a kick up the arse is affecting job's in almost every nation in the developed world and insulting his allies while ass kissing the leader of a regime whom a lot of Good men not just from your nation but ours died fighting - actually the Russian's and there Nork Proxy had lost it was the chinese who bailed them out, I personally know a former SAS officer whom took out Soviet advisers BEHIND Nork line's and even did so from within one of there bases hiding in there latrine pit until it was time to take out his target.
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posted on Jun, 16 2018 @ 10:26 AM
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originally posted by: LABTECH767

originally posted by: WarriorMH
a reply to: LABTECH767



sadly this also goes for the crime's we are ALL capable of committing against one another, a wall is never going to be the answer but here is a point, a peaceful and successful US is actually good for everyone and sometimes you have to partition your own strength to help others


If i could take your nasty politics and smack you in the head with them i would do so without any remorse, trust me.

Stop bringing that illness everywhere, this was about something else. Who told you the US is the center of the world or who writes the rules? Just stop!


You would be more than welcome to try son if I was in top form, I am a Brit, 6'2", 18 stone and loved Rugby back in the day you know not that pansy American football with all those safety pad's but real man's hard ball, also I am one eight maori so may just eat you as well for supper.


Thanks for letting me know, I don't care I just hate when politics get mixed up where they don't belong

This is me, I will still get mad and try to smack you though

Go and slap me you won't be first one guy, I'm not weak


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posted on Jun, 16 2018 @ 10:29 AM
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a reply to: WarriorMH


I would NEVER raise a hand to a woman, so I surrender unconditionally, sorry it just rubbed me up a little and by the way I am sorry for mentioning politics.

Now you know I feel bad, old fashioned like that.
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posted on Jun, 16 2018 @ 10:34 AM
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originally posted by: LABTECH767
a reply to: WarriorMH


I would NEVER raise a hand to a woman, so I surrender unconditionally, sorry it just rubbed me up a little and by the way I am sorry for mentioning politics.

Now you know I feel bad, old fashioned like that.


We know I have a big mouth and I know very well all this, anyway I did not mean to insult so I'm sorry and I would just like to keep going ok



posted on Jun, 16 2018 @ 10:34 AM
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So Here's a list of Possible tribes in the Americas and associated areas

www.native-languages.org...

www.native-languages.org...

Looking for a basic way for them to expand numbers and give a voice to those numbers for concessions and also try in some way to solve an immigration issue although after looking they fall under US jurisdiction for common laws but being a member/adoptee/ associate of a tribe would Change the nature of an illegals Status no?
i think NA Policy could be changed to incorporate these other nationals on the principal of heritage? EX

Plains Indians originally, the Arapaho Indian nation was split in half by American conquest .

I think if they super organized all the historic tribes in the Americas continent they could probably move freely under that umbrella from Chile to Canada abiding by the local criminal laws of course but in a separate category specifically for free travel within?

or not dunno just throwing that theory out there it could be done if organized and lobbied i guess i mean there's more than " xx "two genders "xy" now so anything is possible right? throw money at that.



posted on Jun, 16 2018 @ 10:36 AM
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a reply to: WarriorMH


Actually you were correct but I am stubborn and sometimes find it hard to back down.
And you don't have a big mouth, that is more my forte.







 
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