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Immigration to a Native American tribe in US how would it work?

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posted on Jun, 16 2018 @ 04:26 AM
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So im not NA but I was wondering if they could add the Mexican and others as visiting tribe members?
Don't know what any NA out there think about this to give an alternative to the current immigration situation
Would any of the requirements change if they joined a tribe from Mexico as cousins?
Dunno just a thought.....




posted on Jun, 16 2018 @ 04:36 AM
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Most of what folks call "Mexican" are not Mexican . They are Spaniards .
The true Mexicans are the few Mayans and Apache/Comanche that are left in Mexico.




posted on Jun, 16 2018 @ 04:48 AM
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originally posted by: Gothmog
Most of what folks call "Mexican" are not Mexican . They are Spaniards .
The true Mexicans are the few Mayans and Apache/Comanche that are left in Mexico.



But he was asking about becoming Native American, being part of them, not just Mexican but in general, from the continent

How you go about it? Can it be done?



posted on Jun, 16 2018 @ 04:49 AM
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a reply to: TheJesuit

You have to look into tribal customs and procedures . They (NA tribes) still exercise a level of autonomy .



posted on Jun, 16 2018 @ 05:24 AM
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originally posted by: WarriorMH

originally posted by: Gothmog
Most of what folks call "Mexican" are not Mexican . They are Spaniards .
The true Mexicans are the few Mayans and Apache/Comanche that are left in Mexico.



But he was asking about becoming Native American, being part of them, not just Mexican but in general, from the continent

How you go about it? Can it be done?



No.

No more than you could become an Eskimo.



posted on Jun, 16 2018 @ 05:51 AM
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originally posted by: SummerRain

originally posted by: WarriorMH

originally posted by: Gothmog
Most of what folks call "Mexican" are not Mexican . They are Spaniards .
The true Mexicans are the few Mayans and Apache/Comanche that are left in Mexico.



But he was asking about becoming Native American, being part of them, not just Mexican but in general, from the continent

How you go about it? Can it be done?



No.

No more than you could become an Eskimo.


Because he is not a native Mexican?

If he was he is also a native american isn't he? aren't all natives from the Americas really native? He is from another country and wishes to be accepted on a tribe is this it right?

I just thought he was like from Mexico but child of Spaniards and wanted to become the real thing of being a native american not just a mixed child

i know i would not be accepted and most likely no one because it just does not look right

Ok i get it
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posted on Jun, 16 2018 @ 06:13 AM
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Before the Europeans came to the Americas, the "Indian Nations" had tribal affiliations, language groups for the most part. They all had their territories and unless they were at war over said territories, they respected each other like separate states through trade and other arrangements.

After the Europeans came in and stirred things up and caused migrations to occur, the tribes mixed together more, largely due to the massive die off from European diseases. During those times the Native Americans north of Mexico were still more or less separated by language, life style and tradition from those further south.

Today the Native Americans have greater respect for the different tribes, but are still separate like individual countries within another country. Also they are bound by loyalty to their host countries. So although they consider all tribes related in many ways, they have retained their individual tribal affiliations and so members from other tribes would need to be adopted like we can apply for citizenship to other countries. Also, most of the tribes believe they came from the land they occupy or had occupied, and so each tribe is directly connected to their individual tribal lands, effectively making each tribe a foreign country with respect to the others.



posted on Jun, 16 2018 @ 06:15 AM
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originally posted by: Gothmog
Most of what folks call "Mexican" are not Mexican . They are Spaniards .
The true Mexicans are the few Mayans and Apache/Comanche that are left in Mexico.



Most Mexican ARE of native descent (what is actually native though)

en.wikipedia.org...

But you may note also that a surprisingly large percentage of american's with european ancestry also have native among there ancestors.

Heck even WE Europeans are now finding out we are very far from thoroughbred inbred stock, people are people and modern tribalism is based on an us vs them mentality but you then have to ask yourself just who is us and who are them and what really is the difference - if that difference is nothing more than a passport and what team in what type of sport you support then you have to look long and hard in the mirror.
But for some people they live in a place were not only have they lived for several generations but they also come from a very small gene pool - those places people start to look pretty much alike but you know what as you get older so do all human's, skin colour notwithstanding.

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posted on Jun, 16 2018 @ 06:22 AM
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originally posted by: MichiganSwampBuck
Before the Europeans came to the Americas, the "Indian Nations" had tribal affiliations, language groups for the most part. They all had their territories and unless they were at war over said territories, they respected each other like separate states through trade and other arrangements.

After the Europeans came in and stirred things up and caused migrations to occur, the tribes mixed together more, largely due to the massive die off from European diseases. During those times the Native Americans north of Mexico were still more or less separated by language, life style and tradition from those further south.

Today the Native Americans have greater respect for the different tribes, but are still separate like individual countries within another country. Also they are bound by loyalty to their host countries. So although they consider all tribes related in many ways, they have retained their individual tribal affiliations and so members from other tribes would need to be adopted like we can apply for citizenship to other countries. Also, most of the tribes believe they came from the land they occupy or had occupied, and so each tribe is directly connected to their individual tribal lands, effectively making each tribe a foreign country with respect to the others.


But if you were from a Mayan tribe and wanted to become a citizen of a tribe in the current US land, like cherokiy or another, how would you do that? I think that was the question

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posted on Jun, 16 2018 @ 06:33 AM
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a reply to: WarriorMH

They are actually very different people's but if that question was valid then so too could the Saumi/Sami (northern Europe/Siberia) and other similar tribes whom share many of the same cultural traditions as the native American's complete with there own Tipi and shaman etc.





Who discovered America again?.

WAS it the Bering strait's land bridge or did they fish and hunt there way there across the ice age Atlantic and in fact does it matter, the whole bias against them is that they got there first and later people stole it by murdering them then lying about them to justify this crime.
We are all on this tiny planet together, a house divided can not stand, we are one, we all share the same breath of life the same spirit of God within us, we are all his children.

Sadly this also goes for the crime's we are ALL capable of committing against one another, a wall is never going to be the answer but here is a point, a peaceful and successful US is actually good for everyone and sometimes you have to partition your own strength to help others - so if that was his motive then it would be fine in the end but what is his real motive, is he in the end good or in the end very bad, I would like to think the former but in reality I simply don't know.
Will his actions help the US or alienate it to the world as it becomes increasingly less relevant to the international markets, will his actions put the fire out or fan the flame's.
Has his recent appeasement - with a strong hand? been the correct decision - I certainly hope so but appeasement has all to often gone sour not long after.

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posted on Jun, 16 2018 @ 06:54 AM
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a reply to: LABTECH767

I understand all this i wasn't meaning to say they are less or nothing like that.

I was saying that for example if you were born from a father that was Native Mexican from 400 years ago and your mother is a spaniard or english or whatever other country. Then you want to take this and say i want to become a real native because i have this blood in me that makes me a real native american and not just one by name, my family comes from real from this blood, then how you go about doing this?


And you should know i love the Mexican cultura and i have plently of friends and i may not be able to be full part of it but i know plenty and love it very much

I think at this point in time it is very hard to understand each other without going through a lot of explaining and that i don't like much, i know about all of these tribes and it makes me sad that it still looks like me vs you so far

I came here looking for the other way, to be part of everything not to see it from outside like this

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posted on Jun, 16 2018 @ 07:01 AM
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originally posted by: LABTECH767

Who discovered America again?.



No one did, it was there all along and people came and went forever like the vikings and others and eventually someone with an idiotic mindset though the world revolved around they and what they believed and then we were born and got here like idiot fools



posted on Jun, 16 2018 @ 07:42 AM
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originally posted by: WarriorMH

originally posted by: MichiganSwampBuck
Before the Europeans came to the Americas, the "Indian Nations" had tribal affiliations, language groups for the most part. They all had their territories and unless they were at war over said territories, they respected each other like separate states through trade and other arrangements.

After the Europeans came in and stirred things up and caused migrations to occur, the tribes mixed together more, largely due to the massive die off from European diseases. During those times the Native Americans north of Mexico were still more or less separated by language, life style and tradition from those further south.

Today the Native Americans have greater respect for the different tribes, but are still separate like individual countries within another country. Also they are bound by loyalty to their host countries. So although they consider all tribes related in many ways, they have retained their individual tribal affiliations and so members from other tribes would need to be adopted like we can apply for citizenship to other countries. Also, most of the tribes believe they came from the land they occupy or had occupied, and so each tribe is directly connected to their individual tribal lands, effectively making each tribe a foreign country with respect to the others.


But if you were from a Mayan tribe and wanted to become a citizen of a tribe in the current US land, like cherokiy or another, how would you do that? I think that was the question


I did answer your question. I know it was a long-esh post, but it was in there.

So although they consider all tribes related in many ways, they have retained their individual tribal affiliations and so members from other tribes would need to be adopted like we can apply for citizenship to other countries.



posted on Jun, 16 2018 @ 07:48 AM
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a reply to: LABTECH767



sadly this also goes for the crime's we are ALL capable of committing against one another, a wall is never going to be the answer but here is a point, a peaceful and successful US is actually good for everyone and sometimes you have to partition your own strength to help others


If i could take your nasty politics and smack you in the head with them i would do so without any remorse, trust me.

Stop bringing that illness everywhere, this was about something else. Who told you the US is the center of the world or who writes the rules? Just stop!
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posted on Jun, 16 2018 @ 07:49 AM
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originally posted by: MichiganSwampBuck

originally posted by: WarriorMH

originally posted by: MichiganSwampBuck
Before the Europeans came to the Americas, the "Indian Nations" had tribal affiliations, language groups for the most part. They all had their territories and unless they were at war over said territories, they respected each other like separate states through trade and other arrangements.

After the Europeans came in and stirred things up and caused migrations to occur, the tribes mixed together more, largely due to the massive die off from European diseases. During those times the Native Americans north of Mexico were still more or less separated by language, life style and tradition from those further south.

Today the Native Americans have greater respect for the different tribes, but are still separate like individual countries within another country. Also they are bound by loyalty to their host countries. So although they consider all tribes related in many ways, they have retained their individual tribal affiliations and so members from other tribes would need to be adopted like we can apply for citizenship to other countries. Also, most of the tribes believe they came from the land they occupy or had occupied, and so each tribe is directly connected to their individual tribal lands, effectively making each tribe a foreign country with respect to the others.


But if you were from a Mayan tribe and wanted to become a citizen of a tribe in the current US land, like cherokiy or another, how would you do that? I think that was the question


I did answer your question. I know it was a long-esh post, but it was in there.

So although they consider all tribes related in many ways, they have retained their individual tribal affiliations and so members from other tribes would need to be adopted like we can apply for citizenship to other countries.



No you did not, what is the process to get 'adopted' on any of those tribes, where is it?



posted on Jun, 16 2018 @ 07:56 AM
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Why do you think American Indians want to be over run with Mexicans???

If you are not personally opening you home to the criminals from the south, why do you think other people want to do what you don’t want to do?



posted on Jun, 16 2018 @ 08:07 AM
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a reply to: TheJesuit

I'm a lineal (blood-related) member of a Northern California tribe. Our tribe will also enroll adoptee members. Adoptees must prove that they belong to a tribe in the region, which is either 1) landless, or 2) disbanded or not federally recognized. Proving this is not easy. Adoptees receive limited tribal benefits.

Honestly, and I'm not mocking you, I don't follow your logic. Why would a tribe simply "add the Mexican and others as visiting tribe members"? Just, like...because? Tribal resources are spread thin as it is and most tribes have enormous problems to address. Kind of like the rest of the country.

Are you under the impression that all people with any amount of indigenous heritage are cousins?
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posted on Jun, 16 2018 @ 08:17 AM
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originally posted by: WarriorMH

originally posted by: Gothmog
Most of what folks call "Mexican" are not Mexican . They are Spaniards .
The true Mexicans are the few Mayans and Apache/Comanche that are left in Mexico.



But he was asking about becoming Native American, being part of them, not just Mexican but in general, from the continent

How you go about it? Can it be done?


No. Tribal acceptance is based on
1) Genetics
2) Tracing lineage back through the maternal side (such as Cherokee)



posted on Jun, 16 2018 @ 08:22 AM
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a reply to: LABTECH767

My post stands as declared. Most "Mexicans" are descendants from the Spanish




But you may note also that a surprisingly large percentage of american's with european ancestry also have native among there ancestors.

Actually , the terminology is citizens of the US . The term American encompasses all 3 parts. North , Central , and South
The reply about the European/African/Middle-Easterners having Native American lineage does not count

Being accepted as a Native American is determined by which tribe
1) Most have to be a good percentage of DNA
2) Others , such as the Cherokee , are only accepted if they can trace lineage back through just the maternal side . As I am



posted on Jun, 16 2018 @ 08:39 AM
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a reply to: Gothmog

I am Tsalagi as well.

Citizenship was hard to obtain. I had to prove via birth and death certs of mother grandmother and so on.

We are a nation within a nation. I do not know how to get to my nation from Mexico without passage trough the USA.

Great question though OP!




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