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Trump Cancels Singapore Summit
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originally posted by: soberbacchus
originally posted by: Annee
originally posted by: vinifalou
a reply to: Sookiechacha
Well, he did more in 2 years than the previous administration did in 8.
I'd suggest he celebrate.
He's said a lot, but what has he actually accomplished?
He upsets a lot of people. For the 5 year old attention seeker, that is sufficient.
Trump is a Carnival Barker.
He throws crap out - - sees what sticks to his base - - then zeroes in on it.
There is no political thought or reasoning in what he chooses to do.
a reply to: nwtrucker
From the get go, this was a trap that was laid for a sitting US President, where North Korea has alot to gain, no matter how it went. If it went badly, it would gain in stronger ties with China, if it went well, it would gain from a loosening of the sanctions against it. And it would be used at home and abroad. This is far better for North Korea, cause now they can go to China and point out that the US rejected the olive branch, and to end the Korean conflict, bringing stability to the the region and a chance for Korea to be reunited for the benefit of both and all in the area.
North Korea is going to use this, make no mistake, and from the looks of it, it will go badly with the US, when it comes to other countries, that it may be wanting to either have stronger ties with or start with say new interests.
When one combines the pull out of the Iran treaty, even though every other country that signed it stated that it was working, along with the refusal to take the olive branch, pretty much shows that the US can not be trusted with any treaty or to promote peace. And most leaders would look at that and start to wonder if the credibility of the US is any good, and to be a bit far more wary about such.
Now if the President had continued and even shown up, then it would force North Korea to either show up, or ultimately be the one to say it will not meet. That would have shown the world, but more importantly, those countries still doing business and supporting that country, like China, that North Korea is not interested in peace, talking or ending the Korean conflict, and that is something that China is not really wanting. China would rather prefer a more stable Korea, one where the economics are far more appealing and the growth there would benefit it in the long run.
From the get go, this was a trap that was laid for a sitting US President, where North Korea has alot to gain, no matter how it went. If it went badly, it would gain in stronger ties with China, if it went well, it would gain from a loosening of the sanctions against it. And it would be used at home and abroad. This is far better for North Korea, cause now they can go to China and point out that the US rejected the olive branch, and to end the Korean conflict, bringing stability to the the region and a chance for Korea to be reunited for the benefit of both and all in the area.
North Korea is going to use this, make no mistake, and from the looks of it, it will go badly with the US, when it comes to other countries, that it may be wanting to either have stronger ties with or start with say new interests.
When one combines the pull out of the Iran treaty, even though every other country that signed it stated that it was working, along with the refusal to take the olive branch, pretty much shows that the US can not be trusted with any treaty or to promote peace. And most leaders would look at that and start to wonder if the credibility of the US is any good, and to be a bit far more wary about such.
Now if the President had continued and even shown up, then it would force North Korea to either show up, or ultimately be the one to say it will not meet. That would have shown the world, but more importantly, those countries still doing business and supporting that country, like China, that North Korea is not interested in peace, talking or ending the Korean conflict, and that is something that China is not really wanting. China would rather prefer a more stable Korea, one where the economics are far more appealing and the growth there would benefit it in the long run.
a reply to: nwtrucker
From the get go, this was a trap that was laid for a sitting US President, where North Korea has alot to gain, no matter how it went. If it went badly, it would gain in stronger ties with China, if it went well, it would gain from a loosening of the sanctions against it. And it would be used at home and abroad. This is far better for North Korea, cause now they can go to China and point out that the US rejected the olive branch, and to end the Korean conflict, bringing stability to the the region and a chance for Korea to be reunited for the benefit of both and all in the area.
North Korea is going to use this, make no mistake, and from the looks of it, it will go badly with the US, when it comes to other countries, that it may be wanting to either have stronger ties with or start with say new interests.
When one combines the pull out of the Iran treaty, even though every other country that signed it stated that it was working, along with the refusal to take the olive branch, pretty much shows that the US can not be trusted with any treaty or to promote peace. And most leaders would look at that and start to wonder if the credibility of the US is any good, and to be a bit far more wary about such.
Now if the President had continued and even shown up, then it would force North Korea to either show up, or ultimately be the one to say it will not meet. That would have shown the world, but more importantly, those countries still doing business and supporting that country, like China, that North Korea is not interested in peace, talking or ending the Korean conflict, and that is something that China is not really wanting. China would rather prefer a more stable Korea, one where the economics are far more appealing and the growth there would benefit it in the long run.
From the get go, this was a trap that was laid for a sitting US President, where North Korea has alot to gain, no matter how it went. If it went badly, it would gain in stronger ties with China, if it went well, it would gain from a loosening of the sanctions against it. And it would be used at home and abroad. This is far better for North Korea, cause now they can go to China and point out that the US rejected the olive branch, and to end the Korean conflict, bringing stability to the the region and a chance for Korea to be reunited for the benefit of both and all in the area.
North Korea is going to use this, make no mistake, and from the looks of it, it will go badly with the US, when it comes to other countries, that it may be wanting to either have stronger ties with or start with say new interests.
When one combines the pull out of the Iran treaty, even though every other country that signed it stated that it was working, along with the refusal to take the olive branch, pretty much shows that the US can not be trusted with any treaty or to promote peace. And most leaders would look at that and start to wonder if the credibility of the US is any good, and to be a bit far more wary about such.
Now if the President had continued and even shown up, then it would force North Korea to either show up, or ultimately be the one to say it will not meet. That would have shown the world, but more importantly, those countries still doing business and supporting that country, like China, that North Korea is not interested in peace, talking or ending the Korean conflict, and that is something that China is not really wanting. China would rather prefer a more stable Korea, one where the economics are far more appealing and the growth there would benefit it in the long run.
a reply to: nwtrucker
From the get go, this was a trap that was laid for a sitting US President, where North Korea has alot to gain, no matter how it went. If it went badly, it would gain in stronger ties with China, if it went well, it would gain from a loosening of the sanctions against it. And it would be used at home and abroad. This is far better for North Korea, cause now they can go to China and point out that the US rejected the olive branch, and to end the Korean conflict, bringing stability to the the region and a chance for Korea to be reunited for the benefit of both and all in the area.
North Korea is going to use this, make no mistake, and from the looks of it, it will go badly with the US, when it comes to other countries, that it may be wanting to either have stronger ties with or start with say new interests.
When one combines the pull out of the Iran treaty, even though every other country that signed it stated that it was working, along with the refusal to take the olive branch, pretty much shows that the US can not be trusted with any treaty or to promote peace. And most leaders would look at that and start to wonder if the credibility of the US is any good, and to be a bit far more wary about such.
Now if the President had continued and even shown up, then it would force North Korea to either show up, or ultimately be the one to say it will not meet. That would have shown the world, but more importantly, those countries still doing business and supporting that country, like China, that North Korea is not interested in peace, talking or ending the Korean conflict, and that is something that China is not really wanting. China would rather prefer a more stable Korea, one where the economics are far more appealing and the growth there would benefit it in the long run.
From the get go, this was a trap that was laid for a sitting US President, where North Korea has alot to gain, no matter how it went. If it went badly, it would gain in stronger ties with China, if it went well, it would gain from a loosening of the sanctions against it. And it would be used at home and abroad. This is far better for North Korea, cause now they can go to China and point out that the US rejected the olive branch, and to end the Korean conflict, bringing stability to the the region and a chance for Korea to be reunited for the benefit of both and all in the area.
North Korea is going to use this, make no mistake, and from the looks of it, it will go badly with the US, when it comes to other countries, that it may be wanting to either have stronger ties with or start with say new interests.
When one combines the pull out of the Iran treaty, even though every other country that signed it stated that it was working, along with the refusal to take the olive branch, pretty much shows that the US can not be trusted with any treaty or to promote peace. And most leaders would look at that and start to wonder if the credibility of the US is any good, and to be a bit far more wary about such.
Now if the President had continued and even shown up, then it would force North Korea to either show up, or ultimately be the one to say it will not meet. That would have shown the world, but more importantly, those countries still doing business and supporting that country, like China, that North Korea is not interested in peace, talking or ending the Korean conflict, and that is something that China is not really wanting. China would rather prefer a more stable Korea, one where the economics are far more appealing and the growth there would benefit it in the long run.
originally posted by: soberbacchus
originally posted by: Zarniwoop Trump just now.
We're more than ready to wipe you out if you do something foolish.
My question is, why TF does he have to say this? IS IT NOT OBVIOUS? Was there some doubt about the US Nuclear Capability?
He is an embarrassing idiot.
There's this quip too :
You talk about your nuclear capabilities, but ours are so massive and powerful that i pray to God they will never have to be used
Shocking !
Strange edit but something needs a coffin here. Let's hope it's the coffin of hostility.
originally posted by: nwtrucker
originally posted by: Wide-Eyes
a reply to: Sookiechacha
They will still mark the event because it's going through whether you like it or not.
Your hatred for peace makes my stomach turn.
✌ I bet you find that symbol derogatory for one reason or another....
Your 'peace' is appeasement which eventually morphs into defeat. You want peace? "Rest in Peace". That's where it real and lasting peace is found.
a reply to: Wide-Eyes
Two ways North Korea ends.
1) China cuts the Umbilical Cord. yes they get refugees fleeing across the border into China. Yes, it gets worse with Kim before it get's better. But hell, Kim killed his brother that China had been hiding/protecting as a back-up plan. That spray in the airport bit. Enough. Cut him off, he is a liability.
2) We bomb. Civilian causalities are an absolute given where Kim has located his Nuclear facilities. Ditto with his retaliatory capabilities at the border. It will rank 2nd to Hiroshima for civilian losses at best.
Otherwise we continue the dance. Kim will get Nukes capable of hitting the US mainland, we will gamble we can intercept.
China needs to be shut down by the international community. All trade, all everything, until they cut NK off entirely.
They need to deal with the fall-out sooner than later.
Trump has Zero clue how to even put the USA in a position to ask that, let alone demand it.
Two ways North Korea ends.
1) China cuts the Umbilical Cord. yes they get refugees fleeing across the border into China. Yes, it gets worse with Kim before it get's better. But hell, Kim killed his brother that China had been hiding/protecting as a back-up plan. That spray in the airport bit. Enough. Cut him off, he is a liability.
2) We bomb. Civilian causalities are an absolute given where Kim has located his Nuclear facilities. Ditto with his retaliatory capabilities at the border. It will rank 2nd to Hiroshima for civilian losses at best.
Otherwise we continue the dance. Kim will get Nukes capable of hitting the US mainland, we will gamble we can intercept.
China needs to be shut down by the international community. All trade, all everything, until they cut NK off entirely.
They need to deal with the fall-out sooner than later.
Trump has Zero clue how to even put the USA in a position to ask that, let alone demand it.
originally posted by: Pluginn
a reply to: nwtrucker
Why? You go join the armed forces (if you ain't already or was?) in the US and spread peace and democracy since perhaps you believe in that?
I never get in a fight! never look for troubles and you dare saying I should ISIS??
So you get this low and say I should join ISIS? That is the best argument you have?
For someone who makes comments about the U.S. as yours? Yes. I 'dare'. Stand by it, too.
a reply to: sdcigarpig
I stopped reading your post after the first couple of lines. I assume the rest followed a similar vein.
No way NK gains closer relations with China. Not under this President. The relationship between China and the U.S. are so far above anything NK brings to the table for either China or the U.S..
Except ICBMs and Nukes.
I stopped reading your post after the first couple of lines. I assume the rest followed a similar vein.
No way NK gains closer relations with China. Not under this President. The relationship between China and the U.S. are so far above anything NK brings to the table for either China or the U.S..
Except ICBMs and Nukes.
originally posted by: Wide-Eyes
Strange edit but something needs a coffin here. Let's hope it's the coffin of hostility.
originally posted by: nwtrucker
originally posted by: Wide-Eyes
a reply to: Sookiechacha
They will still mark the event because it's going through whether you like it or not.
Your hatred for peace makes my stomach turn.
✌ I bet you find that symbol derogatory for one reason or another....
Your 'peace' is appeasement which eventually morphs into defeat. You want peace? "Rest in Peace". That's where it real and lasting peace is found.
When an accord is reached.
originally posted by: nwtrucker
a reply to: sdcigarpig
I stopped reading your post after the first couple of lines. I assume the rest followed a similar vein.
No way NK gains closer relations with China. Not under this President. The relationship between China and the U.S. are so far above anything NK brings to the table for either China or the U.S..
Except ICBMs and Nukes.
You sound like an arrogant American.
Why does anyone need the US anymore?
We're not manufacturers, Mexico has stopped buying corn from us and gone elsewhere, etc.
There was a time America was needed for trade goods. That is no more.
originally posted by: nwtrucker
originally posted by: Pluginn
a reply to: nwtrucker
Sure they ain't saints but the US is in my eyes less of a saint then those country's on that list for sure!
The US is build on war and only has known 21 Years of peace in her existence.
How many wars and how many lives after WWII? Man I dunno, maybe Hitler looks better. At least wwII was only for a few years...
So go join ISIS.
Well, the west pretty much brought isis into existence!
Basically where it started except NK broke their test site months back.
originally posted by: Jay-morris
originally posted by: nwtrucker
originally posted by: Pluginn
a reply to: nwtrucker
Sure they ain't saints but the US is in my eyes less of a saint then those country's on that list for sure!
The US is build on war and only has known 21 Years of peace in her existence.
How many wars and how many lives after WWII? Man I dunno, maybe Hitler looks better. At least wwII was only for a few years...
So go join ISIS.
Well, the west pretty much brought isis into existence!
Very true.
All the "experts" told Bush/Cheney this is what would happen if they attacked the middle east from the "top down".
The Bush/Cheney presidency followed the PNAC agenda - - and it backfired.
originally posted by: nwtrucker
originally posted by: Pluginn
a reply to: nwtrucker
I only mentioned facts and real events! If you don't think so who is blind really!?
Of course it matters, it ain't that much different then with N-Korea.. N-Korea is also on that axis of evil list from Bush, of course Trump is just following the same road (as did Obama):
Axis of evil list:
IraQ
Iran
N-Korea
Cuba
Libya
Syria
Any country on that list is = listen or get destroyed basiclly!!! no deals and even when they comply it doesn't matter they still bad and the US just say; not good enough we go on with sanctions or worse war.
Nope. Zero evil in any of them. Just a game plan against righteous nations. Yawn.
Are you serious!?
This is the problem with the planet. If other countries do it, it is evil, if your country does it, then it is ok.
This is why governments brainwash people with patriotism for your country. Means they can get away with pretty much anything because the people are so brainwashed and conditioned!
You know this is really between the 2 main players here. North and South Korea. They're still talking and making progress.
US, China and whomever else, are secondary players.
US, China and whomever else, are secondary players.
originally posted by: Jay-morris
originally posted by: nwtrucker
originally posted by: Pluginn
a reply to: nwtrucker
I only mentioned facts and real events! If you don't think so who is blind really!?
Of course it matters, it ain't that much different then with N-Korea.. N-Korea is also on that axis of evil list from Bush, of course Trump is just following the same road (as did Obama):
Axis of evil list:
IraQ
Iran
N-Korea
Cuba
Libya
Syria
Any country on that list is = listen or get destroyed basiclly!!! no deals and even when they comply it doesn't matter they still bad and the US just say; not good enough we go on with sanctions or worse war.
Nope. Zero evil in any of them. Just a game plan against righteous nations. Yawn.
Are you serious!?
This is the problem with the planet. If other countries do it, it is evil, if your country does it, then it is ok.
This is why governments brainwash people with patriotism for your country. Means they can get away with pretty much anything because the people are so brainwashed and conditioned!
Yes, I'm serious. I will point this out once more, you...and others, use the U.S. as an excuse for the countries named above. Period. Simple.
What ends up is they are 'excused' and the U.S. isn't. I suggest that is as biased as it gets.
I will compensate and use your bias as a rational for my bias.
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