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Homogeneous: The Political Affiliations of Elite Liberal Arts College Faculty

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posted on May, 7 2018 @ 04:53 PM
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a reply to: Grambler

Why is it troubling that republicans dont want to be professors?

Is troubling there aren't enough black surgeons?

The study again was from 2013.

No where did your study that wasn't reviewed state most universities are ultra liberal.




posted on May, 7 2018 @ 04:56 PM
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originally posted by: seeker1963

originally posted by: luthier
a reply to: seeker1963

So you are against progressives?

OK cool!

Personally as a classical liberal I make it a point to treat people as individuals and object to ideas that are authoritarian. Which radical progressives can sometimes have. As can conservatives who favor theocracy.

Sometimes progressives have ccl's and go to the range but just believe in universal Healthcare..

I find its better to try, though hard, to not immediately assume the worst in people.


When Progressives try to bring hate speech laws to the US and subvert our 1st? Yep, hate em! When they attack the 2nd? Yep, hate em!

I will fight to my death for the rights I have that others are trying to take away!

Good enough for ya??


Are you concerned when conservatives take away the fourth? (Devin Nunes)

Or the separation of church and state?



posted on May, 7 2018 @ 04:57 PM
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originally posted by: luthier
a reply to: Grambler

Why is it troubling that republicans dont want to be professors?

Is troubling there aren't enough black surgeons?

The study again was from 2013.

No where did your study that wasn't reviewed state most universities are ultra liberal.


The study I cited looked at over twice the faculty that the one you did posted.

It showed what the best rated liberal arts universities had.

Your study also shows bias against republicans, which you conveniently ignore.

You also ignore with every post that Peterson who you lauded agrees that there is a massive problem with liberal bias in academia.

The study showed from heterodux academy also is very comprehensive and shows an increasing move to the left for faculty in universities.

The video I posted between Haidt and peterson also elaborates on this.

You can chose to ignore reality if you like.



posted on May, 7 2018 @ 05:00 PM
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a reply to: Grambler

Lol, you can choose to misrepresent and draw unfounded conclusions.

Are the best universities all universities?

Is there proof in a hiring bias?



posted on May, 7 2018 @ 05:03 PM
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originally posted by: luthier
a reply to: Grambler

Lol, you can choose to misrepresent and draw unfounded conclusions.

Are the best universities all universities?

Is there proof in a hiring bias?



Again, you havent watched the video shown have you.

Peterson, who you praise and have ignored every single post where I showed you he disagrees with you, and haidt discuss how things such as hiring bias, peer pressure from faculty, small obstacles put in place ffrom adminsitartions while on the job, and most importantly fear of being called racist or other things have kept non left leaning people away from these poistions or frightened them into remaining silent.

I never said all uniervisties, I said mist.

And so far you showed one study that agrees that on the whole, there are far more democrats than republicans as faculty.



posted on May, 7 2018 @ 05:12 PM
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a reply to: Grambler

You provided no evidence most universities are ultra liberal, your study didn't either.

Neither did Peterson



posted on May, 7 2018 @ 05:25 PM
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a reply to: Grambler

There is however proven bias in several elite colleges...and other known liberal schools.

By the way I don't hang on every word Peterson says. I think he is a thoughtful person. It's OK to disagree with people you respect, respectfully.

Still I never heard him say moat universities. If he did he would have to prove that.



posted on May, 7 2018 @ 05:26 PM
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originally posted by: luthier
a reply to: Grambler

You provided no evidence most universities are ultra liberal, your study didn't either.

Neither did Peterson


Oh I get it, you dont know how polling works!

Makes sense now!

Yes, the heterodux study for example uses the Higher education research institutes numbers which is




The Cooperative Institutional Research Program (CIRP) is a national longitudinal study of the American higher education system. It is regarded as the most comprehensive source of information on college students.

Established in 1966 at the American Council on Education, the CIRP is now the nation’s largest and oldest empirical study of higher education, involving data on some 1,900 institutions, over 15 million students, and more than 300,000 faculty. CIRP surveys have been administered by the Higher Education Research Institute since 1973. The CIRP longitudinal program consists of the Freshman Survey (TFS) , Your First College Year (YFCY) Survey, Diverse Learning Environments Survey (DLE), and the College Senior Survey (CSS).


heri.ucla.edu...

Yes none of these studies polled every single university. They like all polls have surveyed a large amount of faculty from many universities, and drew conclusions based on that.

Just like the study you linked did as well, although it only looked at half the number as the study in the OP. And that study too came to the conclusion that republicans were only 9% of faculty.

You know that most universities do have heavlily liberal faculties, and so you are trying to ignore the polling and say because the polls did not include every university (which would be near impossible) then we cant make any judgements, which is absurd.

I even included the largest and oldest empirical study of higher education in the United States whihc shows an increasing left wing push of faculty, and still you act like we cant take that data seriously because it didnt have every single faculty at every university polled.



posted on May, 7 2018 @ 05:36 PM
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originally posted by: Grambler

originally posted by: luthier
a reply to: Grambler

You provided no evidence most universities are ultra liberal, your study didn't either.

Neither did Peterson


Oh I get it, you dont know how polling works!

Makes sense now!

Yes, the heterodux study for example uses the Higher education research institutes numbers which is




The Cooperative Institutional Research Program (CIRP) is a national longitudinal study of the American higher education system. It is regarded as the most comprehensive source of information on college students.

Established in 1966 at the American Council on Education, the CIRP is now the nation’s largest and oldest empirical study of higher education, involving data on some 1,900 institutions, over 15 million students, and more than 300,000 faculty. CIRP surveys have been administered by the Higher Education Research Institute since 1973. The CIRP longitudinal program consists of the Freshman Survey (TFS) , Your First College Year (YFCY) Survey, Diverse Learning Environments Survey (DLE), and the College Senior Survey (CSS).


heri.ucla.edu...

Yes none of these studies polled every single university. They like all polls have surveyed a large amount of faculty from many universities, and drew conclusions based on that.

Just like the study you linked did as well, although it only looked at half the number as the study in the OP. And that study too came to the conclusion that republicans were only 9% of faculty.

You know that most universities do have heavlily liberal faculties, and so you are trying to ignore the polling and say because the polls did not include every university (which would be near impossible) then we cant make any judgements, which is absurd.

I even included the largest and oldest empirical study of higher education in the United States whihc shows an increasing left wing push of faculty, and still you act like we cant take that data seriously because it didnt have every single faculty at every university polled.





I linked several studies. Peer reviewed in the wiki article.

I do know how polls work and how inaccurate they are.

Your sample didn't even use 1/4 of universities.

Apparently you didn't read the study I presented any of its changes, or the article thoughts on different causation or bias.

No I don't think most universities have ultra liberal faculty. In fact most studies reject this.

You can't take data literally. It doesnt work that way.

In fact not everybody is even properly educated to draw causation yet they do through anecdotes.



posted on May, 7 2018 @ 06:04 PM
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originally posted by: Grambler
a reply to: FyreByrd
The study seems sound to me; it uses publicly available date based on the political party these faculty are registered under.

Perhaps you have a study from what you consider a reputable source?

So far another study posted from 2006 said 9% of faculty are Republican, still very troubling.

Here is a study using the Higher education research institute.



For example, as the graph shows, in the 15 years between 1995 and 2010, the American academy went from leaning left to being almost entirely on the left. Similar trends and problems are occurring in the UK and Canada, and to a lesser extent in Australia.

Data from Higher Education Research Institute, based on a survey of college faculty conducted every other year since 1989. Plotted by HxA member Sam Abrams of Sarah Lawrence College




I'm not disputing the data and think it's fairly accurate. Your above reference is good and I will look in over carefully.

The Heterodox Academy is listed on media bias as right of center with a high level of factual reporting which is excellent.

mediabiasfactcheck.com...

I don't think this distribution is, in general cases (not cases of private ideological institutions, is all that unusual.

This is not a cause for 'affirmative action' for conservative professors - maybe it is, however it does support the idea that the more education a person has the more likely they are to be liberal (common operational definition).


Conservative activists have claimed that universities brainwash students and indoctrinate them into believing a liberal ideology.

The line of reasoning goes like this: Liberal college professors tell students “what to think,” and “what to think” is that conservatives and their positions are to be dismissed.

A state lawmaker in Iowa has even suggested universities consider political affiliation in connection with hiring practices in order to balance out the distribution of political representation on the faculty.

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Why? We don’t know the answer.

However, our best guess is this finding might ultimately have little to do with faculty directly and instead relate to the climate that campuses strive to create for the expression of diverse viewpoints, political and otherwise.

While students may come to college never having met someone on the political “other side,” it is hard to avoid doing so in college. One central aim of higher education is to encourage contact, debate, discussion and exposure to persuasion from different kinds of people. After a year of college, in other words, it might be more challenging for students to brand all liberals or conservatives as wrongheaded when they are studying, eating and learning alongside them. These experiences might even help students appreciate others as people with diverse histories and shared interests in working toward common goals.


theconversation.com...

So it is something of a chicken/egg thing. Perhaps requiring conservative thinking courses would be a good thing.

There is quite a bit of discussion on the causes and conditions that promote this. It's easy enough to find.

Good discussion.



posted on May, 7 2018 @ 06:09 PM
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a reply to: FyreByrd

Once you use you brain you realize it's silly.

The same person complaining about liberal professors posts articles how the youth is rejecting democrats.

Everyone is a crybaby. Few want to learn and come up with solutions that don't include winning for their team.

The same people that complain about affirmative action and how the numbers about descrumination are false post stuff for their side to win.


edit on 7-5-2018 by luthier because: (no reason given)



posted on May, 7 2018 @ 06:22 PM
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a reply to: luthier

The point is not to hire conservatives or republicans because they are conservative or republican, the point is to show there is a huge bias toward left leaning faculty.

These schools can hire whoever they want, I have no problem with that.

But Haidt and Peterson and heterodux academy discuss how this is leading to censorship of conservative ideas, and is effecting curriculum and entering into more and more academic areas.

Peterson became a well known figure in part for showing how left wing ideology has tainted the social sciences and is leaking into other disciplines.



posted on May, 7 2018 @ 06:28 PM
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originally posted by: luthier
In fact not everybody is even properly educated to draw causation yet they do through anecdotes.


Some of us have enough sense to know that being 'properly educated' is nothing to brag about...



FYI: John Carrol was a Jesuit...


In time, the Jesuits entered the education system, especially that of the Protestants. The Jesuit maxim was: “Give us the education of the children of this day – and the next generation will be ours. Rev. W.C. Brownlee, D.D.

Secret instructions of the Jesuits


So was Stalin...


Stalin graduated as a Jesuit priest, with the assignment to infiltrate and manage the Georgian Underground Movement against the Russian Tsarist Government. Either way, we know he was Jesuit trained, and on mission to enforce the Jesuit doctrine of Communism throughout Russia.

A greatly suppressed fact is that the head of Stalin’s death camps in Siberia was none other than Cardinal Gregory Agagianian, his classmate at Tiflis. Together these sinister Roman Catholic classmates would kill tens of million of people in their death camps, far exceeding the casualties of Hitler in Germany. Sadly, this information has barely seen the light of day.

Exposing the Jesuits and the Papacy: Joseph Stalin was a Jesuit

Ninety-five percent of the notorious public and private political personalities and criminals over the past 300 years have been nurtured, educated, installed and protected by the Jesuits.

What do Quigley, Clinton and countless elitists have in common with the Neo Cons in the Bush Administration, key leaders of all national and international intelligence agencies and the Knights of Malta that gave us the debacles of 9/11, Afghanistan, Iraq and Iran? All of the individuals were educated and/or significantly influenced by or heavily connected in some manner to Jesuit Universities.

THE JESUIT CONSPIRACY

As another man without a high school diploma, I discovered many years ago that the "educated" class is generally not educated at all, it is mis-educated. The whole purpose of American (perhaps all "western") "higher education" is obviously to bring minds into lock step with "The Agenda." As a general rule, the less official American education a person has been exposed to, the greater his/her ration of common sense.

"Education" is Spiritual Suicide

Modern course work in universities does not widen the scope of a student’s knowledge, it narrows it. It doesn’t cultivate wisdom. It cultivates ignorance. It doesn’t teach students to become independent and self-responsible citizens, rather, it conditions them to become more and more dependent upon the system of corporate employment and governmental assistance. It doesn’t encourage free thought and the questioning of external authority, but rather to accept unconditionally the official version of everything.

What today’s universities accomplish is to turn young students with malleable, questioning minds into rigid, unthinking drones destined to become cogs in the machinery of modern society, machinery that has been wholly devised and developed by none other than our aptly named Machine Men. In short, universities are institutional tools that manufacture unthinking and incurious machines – namely, graduates

wadevenden.wordpress.com...

"...the academic meltdown in our public education system is intentional. It asserts that change agents have been working at the Education Department to change curriculum, not to improve teaching but to promote a socialist agenda. Their role is to create schools which will mold obedient citizens who no longer have the knowledge and skills to improve their lot in life, but are dependent on government/multi-national companies' guidance to survive. The system will create imprisoned citizens that will be managed from cradle to grave to serve the needs of the state's managed economy."

Deliberate Dumbing Down of America

Only when all children in public, private and home schools are robotized-and believe as one-will World Government be acceptable to citizens and able to be implemented without firing a shot. The attractive-sounding "choice" proposals will enable the globalist elite to achieve their goal: the robotization (brainwashing) of all Americans in order to gain their acceptance of lifelong education and workforce training-part of the world management system to achieve a new global feudalism.

A 100 yr. Silent War on Education



edit on 5.7.2018 by Murgatroid because: Felt like it...



posted on May, 7 2018 @ 06:29 PM
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Well it must not be working kids aren't voting liberal.

Or else it's not true and people are mad they aren't getting hired at certain universities.


Like sorry evergreen has always been progressive.



posted on May, 7 2018 @ 06:59 PM
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a reply to: Grambler

What's ironic is that these schools are constantly promoting and virtue signalling about muh diversity.... except when it comes to diversity of opinion. That's a big no no!

@2:30



posted on May, 7 2018 @ 07:05 PM
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Most Republicans don't like liberal arts, and not many probaby get PHD's so how is this a surprise?

There's more Repubicans in the military, are you going to protest that?



posted on May, 7 2018 @ 07:37 PM
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originally posted by: Konduit
a reply to: Grambler

What's ironic is that these schools are constantly promoting and virtue signalling about muh diversity.... except when it comes to diversity of opinion. That's a big no no!

@2:30


It's about as ironic as republicans taking away 4th amendment rights or creating trillion dollar deficits.

I don't think anyone holds the hypocrisy trophy humans are pretty tribal.

The unfortunate thing I suppose is you would hope intellectuals wouldn't be so tribal.


Fact is tribalism is on the rise. It certainly isn't just liberals.



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