The Serious 9/11 Arguments Compilation.

Wikipedia page is wrong this Building 5 very same corner. bottom floors are not collapsed.


There damage to the roof caused by falling wreckage from Tower 1 and yes fires helped the collapse. The full building did not collapse.

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You have to remember a building fire is a building fire to truthers the same as a banana is an apple.

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Your response to this should be a hoot?

As so eloquently put by Steve S, the author of the linked to opening post, mythbusters could not cut a 4,000 lbs SUV in half with 1,000 lbs of thermite laying on the vehicle horizontally.

The thread...

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Mythbuster inadvertently debunk thermite at WTC.

In tonight's episode of the Mythbusters, they tried to cut an SUV in half using thermite. Jamie mixed up a thousand pounds of thermite in a cement mixer, bagged it, then placed it along the centerline of the truck. They also used bricks on either side to try to confine it to the middle. They didn't succeed in cutting it in half. Now if 1000 pounds can't cut a 4000 thousand pound SUV in half, there's no way you could bring down a building weighing millions of pounds without completely filling the building with the stuff.

Steve S.

1000 lbs of thermite Melt SUV
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And before you invoke super thermite, isn’t your claim super thermite burns at lower temps?

The steel images I showed was a thermate experiment, not Thermite. Nobody has ever claimed thermite was used?

You ignoring FEMA evidence. They found sulphur on the steel. What caused that is either thermate or nano thermite which is more of high tech explosive.

The guy then did another experiment to see if diesel-fueled fire +gysum drywall, furniture and Aluminium fillings will melt steel. The claim is sulphur came from the gypsum drywall. He burned it for 24 hours did not melt steel. So the logical conclusion is nano-thermite mixed with sulphur melted FEMA steel sample It more believable when NIST claims, the steel beam was heated to 600c, the girder 500c, and column 300c. Around near the collapse time, NIST claims the heat dropped 200c to 400c near column 79. FEMA findings do not match up with what NIST said was happening.

FEMA clearly stated the Steel sample they had was melted because of 1000c heat and Sulphar. NIST has a real issue here where in building 7 was the steel heated to 1000c+

Thermite is a powdery substance, looks nothing like the red/grey chips.

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Sad to see you loose it over absolutely no evidence of planted charges at the WTC?

The crowd might have been six or eight blocks away. A 130 DB detonation is easily heard up to a quarter of a mile away, and would relentlessly echoed about the city. Detonations that cut columns shake the air, shake the ground, cause visible ejections, and strike awe among spectators.

The beginning of the collapse was so relatively quite and unassuming, the collapse didn’t even impose on conversation.

There was no traps in WTC 7 to capture shrapnel, those people should have been pelleted with ejected material if explosives were cutting columns.

Royal Canberra Hospital implosion

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But far worse, the explosion was not contained on the site and large pieces of debris were projected towards spectators situated 500 metres away on the opposite side of the Lake, in a location that nobody considered unsafe or inappropriate. A twelve-year-old girl, Katie Bender, was killed instantly,[3] and nine other people were injured. Large fragments of masonry and metal were found 650 metres from the demolition site.

In the below implosion, people are some distance away. The sound of detonation is clearly heard above the barely audible sound of building collapse. And a piece of ejected material almost took out a man.

Couple Nearly Killed By A Flying Rock From Building Demolition

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Sad to see what pseudoscience and falsehoods you spin to keep your fantasy CD on life support.

All that leads to empowering charlatans like Gage, Jones, Harrit, Wood to exploit 9/11 for personal gain and notoriety.

originally posted by: neutronflux
a reply to: Jesushere

Sad to see you loose it over absolutely no evidence of planted charges at the WTC?

The crowd might have been six or eight blocks away. A 130 DB detonation is easily heard up to a quarter of a mile away, and would relentlessly echoed about the city. Detonations that cut columns shake the air, shake the ground, cause visible ejections, and strike awe among spectators.

The beginning of the collapse was so relatively quite and unassuming, the collapse didn’t even impose on conversation.

There was no traps in WTC 7 to capture shrapnel, those people should have been pelleted with ejected material if explosives were cutting columns.

Royal Canberra Hospital implosion

en.m.wikipedia.org...

But far worse, the explosion was not contained on the site and large pieces of debris were projected towards spectators situated 500 metres away on the opposite side of the Lake, in a location that nobody considered unsafe or inappropriate. A twelve-year-old girl, Katie Bender, was killed instantly,[3] and nine other people were injured. Large fragments of masonry and metal were found 650 metres from the demolition site.

In the below implosion, people are some distance away. The sound of detonation is clearly heard above the barely audible sound of building collapse. And a piece of ejected material almost took out a man.

Couple Nearly Killed By A Flying Rock From Building Demolition

m.youtube.com...

Sad to see what pseudoscience and falsehoods you spin to keep your fantasy CD on life support.

All that leads to empowering charlatans like Gage, Jones, Harrit, Wood to exploit 9/11 for personal gain and notoriety.

The only fraudSters is NIST. Are you saying FEMA was wrong when they claimed 1000c+ sulphur caused that melting? Are you going to continue denying the evidence?

Why did NIST not talk about this phenomenon in their study? Don't you think it's relevant if they found a steel that melted due to the high temp of 1000c?

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There damage to the roof caused by falling wreckage from Tower 1 and yes fires helped the collapse. The full building did not collapse.

Is it false parts of the building did collapse from fire related collapse?

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1000 pounds of thermite sitting on an SUV couldn’t cut it in half.

How many pounds of thermite does Harrit and Jones claim was planted in WTC 7?

originally posted by: neutronflux
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There damage to the roof caused by falling wreckage from Tower 1 and yes fires helped the collapse. The full building did not collapse.

Is it false parts of the building did collapse from fire related collapse?

No it's not false, but you Wikipedia link was claiming collapses occurred on bottom floors. You ignoring building 5 never collapsed the point was WTC7 did collapse from one girder falling of its seat a nonsensical theory

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What is it like to post the actual collapse of WTC 7 and the video holds absolutely no proof of planted explosives or pyrotechnics?

Sad to see you wrestle with the reality there was no planted charges at the WTC.

originally posted by: Jesushere

originally posted by: neutronflux
a reply to: Jesushere

There damage to the roof caused by falling wreckage from Tower 1 and yes fires helped the collapse. The full building did not collapse.

Is it false parts of the building did collapse from fire related collapse?

No it's not false, but you Wikipedia link was claiming collapses occurred on bottom floors. You ignoring building 5 never collapsed the point was WTC7 did collapse from one girder falling of its seat a nonsensical theory

So. The shorter less massive building that had areas of fire related collapse did not collapse as a whole like a more massive building? And the two buildings were designed in many different ways.

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1000 pounds of thermite sitting on an SUV couldn’t cut it in half.

How many pounds of thermite does Harrit and Jones claim was planted in WTC 7?

originally posted by: neutronflux
a reply to: Jesushere

1000 pounds of thermite sitting on an SUV couldn’t cut it in half.

How many pounds of thermite does Harrit and Jones claim was planted in WTC 7?

But who claiming thermite was used? Do you not realise thermate includes barium and sulphur thermite does not contain that., Professor Harrit clearly said he believes the substance found was nano-thermite it would react like a high tech explosive. Nobody can tell you how much was used and, nobody has any insight as to where it was used in the buildings. The only thing for certain it was found.

originally posted by: neutronflux
a reply to: Jesushere

What is it like to post the actual collapse of WTC 7 and the video holds absolutely no proof of planted explosives or pyrotechnics?

Sad to see you wrestle with the reality there was no planted charges at the WTC.

What I find hilarious is your acceptance of NIST claims. When there so some much proof they did not accurately model the collapse correctly with all fittings on the girder. It's hilarious you ignore FEMA findings they had a steel sample from WTC7 that was melted from 1000c heat+ sulphur. You ignore NIST does not claim WTC7 steel was heated to 1000c. It actually impossible rate of heat in an office fire. FEMA in 2002 did not think about how this would be possible inside WTC7 back then.

If you got 1000c heat in WTC7 it could not be caused by an office fire. Do you not have to arrive at another theory why there was 1000c heat with sulphur ripping through steel?

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You do realize nano thermite does not contain more energy per gram? Nano just means the particles are smaller so the reaction is faster. Hence the nano part.

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1000 pounds of thermite sitting on an SUV couldn’t cut it in half.

How many pounds of thermite or nano thermite does Harrit and Jones claim was planted in WTC 7?

originally posted by: neutronflux
a reply to: Jesushere

You do realize nano thermite does not contain more energy per gram? Nano just means the particles are smaller so the reaction is faster. Hence the nano part.

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1000 pounds of thermite sitting on an SUV couldn’t cut it in half.

How many pounds of thermite or nano thermite does Harrit and Jones claim was planted in WTC 7?

More waffle.

Quote historically, pyrotechnic or explosive applications for traditional thermites have been limited due to their relatively slow energy release rates. Because nanothermites are created from reactant particles with proximities approaching the atomic scale, energy release rates are far greater.[1]

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So how would would they have more energy per gram?

Again

You do realize nano thermite does not contain more energy per gram? Nano just means the particles are smaller so the reaction is faster. Hence the nano part.

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1000 pounds of thermite sitting on an SUV couldn’t cut it in half.

How many pounds of thermite or nano thermite does Harrit and Jones claim was planted in WTC 7?

neutronflux I told you this before but it best to say it again.

NIST claimed it took 20+ seconds when the Penthouse falls and rest of the cross floors to fall.

Their model shows that rate of time before right west corner started moving.


NIST ignored the rate of time the building fell in the actual video. It was about 6 to 7 seconds after the Penthouse fell the right wall came down.#

NIST has made so many mistakes in the investigation only logical conclusion is a cover-up.

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The WTC 7 structure offered negligible resistance once the columns stated to buckle.

Now offer some actual physical evidence the columns of WTC 7 were physically cut floor by floor to remove resistance as claimed by the truth movement. You can sart by point to where the several large charges of fantasy thermite were cutting at 4000F.

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What is it like posting a video of the actual collapse, and it holds absolutely zero proof of planted charges at the WTC, and zero proof the columns being cut floor by floor? Not one flash of thermite setting off? Not one?

neutronflux It's disgusting Skeptics are criticizing Dr Hulsey for modelling the collapse correctly. You guys should be praising him for doing this not criticizing

1) NIST model does look like the actual collapse true fact not up for debate
2 ) NIST removed shears studs, web plate, fasteners that were all there on the girder during construction true fact not up for debate
3) Photographic evidence clearly shows no high temp on floor 12 true fact not up for debate
4) Forensic evidence ignored by NIST Melted steel beam flange heat by 1000c heat true face not up for debate.
5) NIST collapse model took 20+ seconds for the floors to fall. Inaccurate it took 6 to 7 seconds.
6) NIST lied about the size of the seat they claimed it was 5.5 inches when it actually 6 inches.
7) they lied about the lateral support for loads
8) they lied about eyewitness seeing molten steel, and melted steel and iron. Video evidence we have this a lie.
9) They lied about WTC7 noise a loud bang was heard before the Penthouse collapsed.

Just this alone is proof their study is fraudulent.