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originally posted by: neutronflux
originally posted by: Jesushere
neutronflux Are you not happy the image was uploaded on a The Skeptic site? Problem is though they skipped past talking about damage on the side of the box column. The just talk about the column length and size and if broke or not.
You clearly see the side has been pushed out it expanded. I would not rule it out this is where they placed the nano-thermite or explosives?
Like something was pulled through or off the column? Like a floor connection?
Funny you cannot find example of WTC steel worked on by demolitions? With no burns, cut ends, or the steel blown out vs pulled into the center?
originally posted by: neutronflux
a reply to: Jesushere
You are expecting people to debunk a photo you will not even cite it’s source?
originally posted by: neutronflux
a reply to: Jesushere
You
The building experienced freefall
The exterior facade fell at the acceleration of free fall in phase two of its collapse because the exterior columns offered negligible resistance.
The interior of WTC did not fall as a single unit as proven by the order items on the roof disappeared below the roof line.
The interior was a progressive collapse from east to west.
The facade did not began to fall until one of the WTC 7’s penthouse totally fell out sight below the roofline.
Once all of WTC 7’s interior columns buckled, then the facade then collapsed.
Thermite is used to weld metal in the field. It does not cause corrosions that would cause a building’s collapse in hours. If thermite causes catastrophic corrosions, it would be impractical to use as a welding agent.
originally posted by: neutronflux
a reply to: Jesushere
When there is no proof of thermite at the WTC. When you have no results of a test proving the WTC dust was capable of a thermite reaction. When you are saying the WTC was corroded into collapse? When you cannot post video or photographic evidence of exterior columns that supposedly had to be cut in such away that the resistance of each floor of each building had to be removed to achieve the witnessed rates of collapse. When you cannot explain how thermite which burns relatively slow and inconsistently could be used in a sophisticated split time fantasy implosions. How slow burning thermite could cut vertically, and how the slow cuts would not jest cold weld together under building load. How the implosion system survived jet impacts, building damage, and wide spread fires. How did the charges get placed on what is essentially the walls of the towers. There was no evidence of columns cut by demolitions found by the forensic and engineering crime scene investigators. The vertical columns of the twin towers fell in the wake of their floor systems. You cannot explain the collapse of the twin towers started at the areas of the jet impacts with inward bowing that lead to outer columns buckling as captured on video.
originally posted by: Jesushere
Building 5 on 9/11 engulfed in fire and never collapsed. Yet WTC7 with its few areas of fire did it.
False Box Columns have slots and holes you don't have to cut through the steel to plant explosives. Nano thermite could have been sprayed on steel or gelled on that a fairly easy process. Or could have been stored in something in rooms on floors?
Do you not notice the breaking of glass runs up the wall on the northside not downwards from the roof. That's a controlled demolition.
originally posted by: neutronflux
a reply to: Jesushere
You
Do you not notice the breaking of glass runs up the wall on the northside not downwards from the roof. That's a controlled demolition.
Really? Then it should easy to to find a past implosion that did the same thing?
All that precise timing from corrosion bombs? With no proof of explosives cutting exterior columns.
Pity.
originally posted by: Jesushere
originally posted by: neutronflux
a reply to: Jesushere
You
Do you not notice the breaking of glass runs up the wall on the northside not downwards from the roof. That's a controlled demolition.
Really? Then it should easy to to find a past implosion that did the same thing?
All that precise timing from corrosion bombs? With no proof of explosives cutting exterior columns.
Pity.
Yes really you clearly see the breaking of windows went upwards to the top west wall on right side. If building 7 was falling down naturally the support would be falling away at the top, not at the bottom
That line ran up the wall is evidence of timed removal of core and perimeter columns. The building falls, remove the delay beneath no deformations clean collapse clearly a well-timed demolition.
originally posted by: Jesushere
Building 5 on 9/11 engulfed in fire and never collapsed. Yet WTC7 with its few areas of fire did it.
en.m.wikipedia.org...
Floors 4–9 suffered partial collapse and/or fire damage as a result of the September 11 attacks. Floors 1–3 were not damaged. The building's structural integrity on its upper floors were partially compromised due to the impact of steel and other debris from the North Tower. Other collapsed sections were due to fire damage. Portions of internal collapse and burnout were found on upper floors, mainly floors 6–8. The black exterior facade suffered severe fire damage. Floors 5–9 were on fire after the collapse of the South Tower
www.internationalskeptics.com...
Mythbuster inadvertently debunk thermite at WTC.
In tonight's episode of the Mythbusters, they tried to cut an SUV in half using thermite. Jamie mixed up a thousand pounds of thermite in a cement mixer, bagged it, then placed it along the centerline of the truck. They also used bricks on either side to try to confine it to the middle. They didn't succeed in cutting it in half. Now if 1000 pounds can't cut a 4000 thousand pound SUV in half, there's no way you could bring down a building weighing millions of pounds without completely filling the building with the stuff.
Steve S.
1000 lbs of thermite Melt SUV
m.youtube.com...
originally posted by: neutronflux
originally posted by: Jesushere
originally posted by: neutronflux
a reply to: Jesushere
You
Do you not notice the breaking of glass runs up the wall on the northside not downwards from the roof. That's a controlled demolition.
Really? Then it should easy to to find a past implosion that did the same thing?
All that precise timing from corrosion bombs? With no proof of explosives cutting exterior columns.
Pity.
Yes really you clearly see the breaking of windows went upwards to the top west wall on right side. If building 7 was falling down naturally the support would be falling away at the top, not at the bottom
That line ran up the wall is evidence of timed removal of core and perimeter columns. The building falls, remove the delay beneath no deformations clean collapse clearly a well-timed demolition.
What do we gather from the video?
I here voices from the crowed for the entire collapse. The collapse was never loud enough to drowned out voices?
How loud did you say the collapse of the building was? That it would drown out the 130 dB sound of explosives setting off? A normal restaurant is usually no louder than 85 dB? And the video you showed has conversation that could be heard well into the collapse. Why didn’t the collapse initiation of the penthouse startle the individuals holding a conversation?
So, no detonations of explosives that could cut steel.
No evidence of explosives blowing crap out windows, and no evidence of over pressure events.
You claim the resistance of the exterior columns had to be removed to cause the facade to accelerate at the rate of free fall? I would take that to mean the columns would have to be cut floor by floor? And how long would it take to cut columns vertically if possible with thermite? It has been proven thermite is not efficient at all cutting columns vertically. There is no sparking and flashing indicative of large thermite charges burning for a minute window by window, floor by floor.
I see the penthouse starting to sink in to WTC 7. About 10 to 15 floors down, I see simultaneous disturbances in windows from steel buckling. There really is no traveling up. It’s like a central disturbance is seen in a cluster of windows, then the disturbance radiates from the original cluster of windows.
And I see no evidence indicative of thermite cutting columns on any floor such as sparking and flashing from window to window, from floor to floor.
I see evidence that a progressive collapse started on the left side of the building in the video, and that progressive collapse traveled to the right. Again no evidence of thermite flashing and sparking.
Then I see the facade fall. Again, no evidence of sparking and flashing of exterior columns being cut by thermite from window to window, from floor to floor? I think the picture you showed way back in this thread showed the interior of WTC 7, and it’s columns that would be in clear sight of the windows?