UK Authorities Crack Down On Nazi Dogs And Angry Drivers While Forcing Parents To Watch Baby Die

a reply to: ScepticScot

Courts deciding to let a child die is the greatest tyranny that I can possibly imagine. It is beyond comprehension that anyone would defend that.

Seriously.

What the doctors said is that Alfie is no longer worth their efforts. Plain and simple. And that is disgusting.

originally posted by: bigfatfurrytexan

originally posted by: Dem0nc1eaner

Well, we do have one of the absolute best health care systems in the world and it's free to boot.

Beat that!

as long as you aren't too sick...at which point you may be starved to death because some doctors believe its not worth feeding you anymore.

UK decisions on treatment made on medical grounds by doctors.

US decisions made on financial grounds by insurance companies.

Think we will stick to our system thanks.

a reply to: bigfatfurrytexan


That is just so not true and insults Doctors and all those who work in the NHS.

originally posted by: bigfatfurrytexan
a reply to: ScepticScot

Courts deciding to let a child die is the greatest tyranny that I can possibly imagine. It is beyond comprehension that anyone would defend that.

Seriously.

What the doctors said is that Alfie is no longer worth their efforts. Plain and simple. And that is disgusting.

It's not about if it's worth the effort, it's about his own best interest.

You are just going for wilful ignorance now.

a reply to: bigfatfurrytexan


Here is an Article setting out what the Doctors have actually said and it is nothing like what you have quite shamefully claimed:

Liverpool Echo

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: bigfatfurrytexan
a reply to: ScepticScot

Courts deciding to let a child die is the greatest tyranny that I can possibly imagine. It is beyond comprehension that anyone would defend that.

Seriously.

What the doctors said is that Alfie is no longer worth their efforts. Plain and simple. And that is disgusting.

It's not about if it's worth the effort, it's about his own best interest.

You are just going for wilful ignorance now.

"Own best interest" is what people say when they do horrible things to someone, but want to try to justify it to themselves.

It is never in ones "own best interest" to be left to starve to death.

originally posted by: burdman30ott6

originally posted by: bastion
a reply to: burdman30ott6

I don't think parents shooting Drs or Police because their grief is driving them to act in their own self interest, not the interest of their child is a good thing or situation that one would want to emulate elsewhere. It's a race to the gutter approach.

I think anyone who takes measures with the intent of a child dying, which is exactly what happened here, and does so while using law enforcement to prevent parental "interference" (previously known as the parental instinct to protect their children at any cost) should expect their life to be extremely at risk for the foreseeable future.

This is not what is happening here, the intent was to save the child if possible. It was not possible and now the only merciful thing to do is let nature take it's course rather than allow a circus to decide his best interests are to allow him to continuously suffer.

I'm not sure what about this situation is so confusing.

originally posted by: oldcarpy
a reply to: bigfatfurrytexan


Here is an Article setting out what the Doctors have actually said and it is nothing like what you have quite shamefully claimed:

Liverpool Echo Article

Dead link

originally posted by: oldcarpy
a reply to: bigfatfurrytexan


That is just so not true and insults Doctors and all those who work in the NHS.

My wife is a nurse...she is appalled at this story.

It sounds like the doctors are doing a fine job insulting themselves.

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: bigfatfurrytexan

originally posted by: Dem0nc1eaner

Well, we do have one of the absolute best health care systems in the world and it's free to boot.

Beat that!

as long as you aren't too sick...at which point you may be starved to death because some doctors believe its not worth feeding you anymore.

UK decisions on treatment made on medical grounds by doctors.

US decisions made on financial grounds by insurance companies.

Think we will stick to our system thanks.

Uhh...no.

US decisions made by parents, so that each child has a champion fighting for him/her.

a reply to: bigfatfurrytexan


I fixed the link.

a reply to: ScepticScot

US decisions made on financial grounds by insurance companies.

An estimated 45,000 people die each year in The U.S. because they have no money for health care.

Absolutely disgusting society to live in.

Various studies have looked at whether uninsured people have a higher risk of death. The most cited was published by the American Journal of Public Health in 2009 and found that nearly 45,000 Americans die each year as a direct result of being uninsured

www.theguardian.com...

a reply to: bigfatfurrytexan


Perhaps your wife needs to research the actual facts and not stories?

originally posted by: bigfatfurrytexan

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: bigfatfurrytexan

originally posted by: Dem0nc1eaner

Well, we do have one of the absolute best health care systems in the world and it's free to boot.

Beat that!

as long as you aren't too sick...at which point you may be starved to death because some doctors believe its not worth feeding you anymore.

UK decisions on treatment made on medical grounds by doctors.

US decisions made on financial grounds by insurance companies.

Think we will stick to our system thanks.

Uhh...no.

US decisions made by parents, so that each child has a champion fighting for him/her.

Not true in the US either. Children have rights outside of parental control. It's staggeringly ill informed to believe otherwise.

a reply to: alldaylong


Yes, and US folk come on here and have the cheek to attack our NHS. Shameful.

originally posted by: oldcarpy
a reply to: bigfatfurrytexan


Perhaps your wife needs to research the actual facts and not stories?

No. We value life.

a reply to: oldcarpy

oh please, save me the fainting. Your governmental agencies are open to discussion just the same as ours.

a reply to: bigfatfurrytexan


So, not interested in the facts then?

originally posted by: bigfatfurrytexan

originally posted by: oldcarpy
a reply to: bigfatfurrytexan


Perhaps your wife needs to research the actual facts and not stories?

No. We value life.

Yes The U.S. does value life.

The value is if you have the money to keep yourself alive.