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originally posted by: caf1550
Yeah the kid had a air soft gun that looked exactly like a real firearm, no little orange tip on the end of it to denote that it is a air soft replica firearm.
It’s split seconds between life and death, split seconds. If it’s a bad shooting I would be the first to extol the officer like I did when the officer in Minnesota I believe it was shot and killed Justine Damond. But if it is a good justified shooting then I will do everything I can and use my expertise to help protect the officer and try to bring knowledge about.
Ever hear of the 21 foot rule, probably not, look it up. What it says is that a person with a knife in there pocket or waist band can draw that knife and be on top of a officer before that officer has the ability to draw and fire his service weapon in defense. Split second decision making.
Also it’s not the officer job to create distance and observe, it’s to close the distance and react to the situation to stop the actions of the suspect and to protect the innocent public from harm.
if they is potential that the suspect can hurt kill or maim an innocent person or officer then it is the officers job to stop that from happening.
originally posted by: Xtrozero
As one who does carry, I can say we are 99.9% reactive, so no a person who carries would not have shot the guy because he was acting weird and pointing a finger, stick, shower head, phone, or even an air soft really doesn't matter. If you carry you need to be reactive and not triggered as a cop may be.
originally posted by: SlapMonkey
Police were absolutely in the right. Would you rather that they wait until someone gets shot before responding with deadly force, or do the appropriate thing in this instance and neutralize a perceived threat who is pointing something that most New Yorkers, ignorant to what real guns actually are, assume is a real firearm.
I'm a fan of guns, shoot regularly and have shot many different weapons in my time--this absolutely appears to be a firearm, he is handling it and using it in a way that he wants people to think that it's a firearm, and police cannot wait until someone gets shot or killed before responding with deadly force in a situation like this.
originally posted by: one4all
originally posted by: opethPA
a reply to: Xtrozero
Lemme see if i get this right..
You actually watched the video clips in your source and you are blaiming the police?
Don't jump on the don't ever blame the Police bandwagon....just don't ok...spare us.
originally posted by: opethPA
Not the case on this one though...
In this case the person that was running around acting like he was about to shoot someone is responsible.
Or like I asked, you watched the video and are blaming the police ?
originally posted by: SlapMonkey
Actually, in many, if not most states, the guidelines that allow for the use of deadly force generally says something synonymous with the person needed to believe that their life was in danger or that their personal safety was in severely in jeopardy because of the actions of the other individual.
If a CCDW holder was carrying and saw this guy waiving his fake gun around and he was coming toward them or even just pointing it in their general direction, they would have been justified in shooting this man. Furthermore, many states allow for the use of deadly force in the protection of others, so if I had been on that street and had seen him point that object at, say, the man walking with his son, I would also have been justified in using deadly force in the protection of that other individual.
originally posted by: Xtrozero
Cops should be trained to deal with crazy people, you are not, so in your case I would say you are more justifiable though you would go to jail and the trained cop would not.
originally posted by: Xtrozero
God luck with all that if you shot the guy for being somewhat crazy, but never actually attacked anyone and ended up having a shower head as his weapon...
originally posted by: SlapMonkey
You can fabricate scenarios all that you want to, but to equate a split-second decision to use lethal force to a simple assumption is beyond juvenile in its deduction.
Mental disorders do not put people in some arbitrary class of protected citizens when they're doing threatening things on public streets using people for whatever crazy purpose that they want.
originally posted by: SlapMonkey
Even if the luck comes from God.
originally posted by: Xtrozero
originally posted by: SlapMonkey
You can fabricate scenarios all that you want to, but to equate a split-second decision to use lethal force to a simple assumption is beyond juvenile in its deduction.
My point is EVERY scenario is not split second decision, though that is what cops make them all out to be. For a good while the guy was acting crazy and did not assault anyone, but now it becomes a split second decision to use lethal force, where was that information that the guy all of a sudden was going to commit assault of some kind? Oh I get it, the guy acted like he might so lets shoot him though he never did up to the point of getting shot...lol
The kid who most likely broke windows and ran to end up getting shot 6 times in the back because he was holding his phone, like everyone does. What did he do that was so threatening with his back to the police to not even have the chance to flinch much less follow orders.
Kid?????
You mean the one that was in Prison? Nice Try. He was such a good guy.
originally posted by: pavil
Kid?????
You mean the one that was in Prison? Nice Try. He was such a good guy.
originally posted by: Xtrozero
My point is EVERY scenario is not split second decision, though that is what cops make them all out to be.
For a good while the guy was acting crazy and did not assault anyone, but now it becomes a split second decision to use lethal force, where was that information that the guy all of a sudden was going to commit assault of some kind? Oh I get it, the guy acted like he might so lets shoot him though he never did up to the point of getting shot...lol
Seems today everything is threatening doesn't it? Along your lines...just because someone acts crazy and you feel threaten by it doesn't justify lethal force.
originally posted by: SlapMonkey
If willful ignorance and ill-informed opinions are your preference, there's nothing that I can do further by discussing this with you. I have little patience for people who blatantly ignore physical- and deadly-force laws, which are easily researched online, in lieu of opinion.