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John Dowd Resigns as Trump’s Lead Lawyer in Special Counsel Inquiry

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posted on Mar, 22 2018 @ 07:11 PM
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originally posted by: AndyFromMichigan
According to numerous reports, Trump is willing to be interviewed by Mueller, but his legal team (meaning Dowd) has been forbidding it.

Personally, I agree with Dowd. Why set yourself up for a perjury trap, like the one Flynn got caught in? If Mueller has evidence of wrongdoing, let him present it.


I think you mentioned the magic "p" word. If a lawyer knows his or her client is going to perjure themselves, they have to quit, even in the middle of a trial. That's why a good criminal lawyer will never ask if a client "did it." If the client admits that he did, but still wants to go under oath and deny it, the lawyer must quit. If you don't you get disbarred and probably will go to jail for suborning perjury.
The other likely reason for quitting would be not getting paid. That would be consistent with the grifter in chief's past behavior. He stiffs everyone except his porn star sex partners. (See what I did there?)




posted on Mar, 22 2018 @ 07:17 PM
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originally posted by: jtma508

originally posted by: carewemust
a reply to: soberbacchus

Dowd was against President Trump sitting down personally with Bob Mueller. The president wants to sit down personally with Bob Mueller. In business if your lawyer does not agree with you he has to go.


What? This is among THE most insane statements I've read on ATS and THAT is saying something. If a top-shelf lawyer tells you to do or not do something and you disagree you FIRE them? In business?? Is that how it works? And if your accountant tells you not to launder money for the Cartel and you disagree you fire him? That is so F'd up my head is spinning. Why have lawyers at all then? Or brain surgeons for that matter? If the client knows best. Holy crap!!!




You are free to still launder money or not have the surgery.

You are paying THEM.

They work for you.

How many people have had bad advice from so called experts?




posted on Mar, 22 2018 @ 08:03 PM
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a reply to: burgerbuddy

No. Russia ran that campaign.



posted on Mar, 22 2018 @ 08:19 PM
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originally posted by: Sillyolme
a reply to: burgerbuddy

No. Russia ran that campaign.


Pathetic - typical - nonsense response.


Mueller is no longer looking at Russia Collusion but obstruction


even your poster boy found diddly squat..

I like the way you completely ignore

#AnwarBrothers
#SethRich
#DWS Lies
#Comey Lies
#Mccabe Corruption
#Clinton Emails
#Sanders Rigging
#Stonetear
#platterivernetworks
#FakeDossier
#ForgedFISAwarrants

and keep pushing this fairy tail that Russia rigged the election by reporting on facts via News/Facebook and Twitter

So now your poster boy is looking at obstruction.. how exactly? Because Comey got fired for lying and leaking? NEWSFLASH Trump has the power to fire them - and comey even said this would not affect the investigation.. and it hasnt...

Or for Mccabe being fired?... Maccabe got fired because he leaked and lied multiple times


..Silly, Ante.. and all you other types who keep pushing this ridiculous narrative are what makes this board worse and worse every day. You dont care about facts, you dont even discuss things... you just jump up, throw in your one liners of bullplop then run away

Man you must struggle to sleep at night with Trumps smiling face laughing at you!




posted on Mar, 22 2018 @ 08:24 PM
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originally posted by: Agit8dChop

originally posted by: Sillyolme
a reply to: burgerbuddy

No. Russia ran that campaign.





Mueller is no longer looking at Russia Collusion but obstruction


even your poster boy found diddly squat..




This is a fallacious statement, specifically because you have no idea what Mueller has or has not found.


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posted on Mar, 22 2018 @ 08:24 PM
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a reply to: Agit8dChop

Typical...ignore the obvious.
What is that your conspiracy theory reading list.
Nothing more needs to be said.
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posted on Mar, 22 2018 @ 08:33 PM
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a reply to: Wayfarer

Everything thats been found, has been leaked
Even those involved have said Mueller's moved on to obstruction and no longer looking at Collusion

The best they got was Flynn on 1 charge of lying, even thats on the brink of being thrown out because the FBI running the interview were the most corrupt sob's in the team.

How exactly did Russia and Trump collude?

Mueller had to go down the ''facebook ad'' route and even THAT was found to be 0.

you are dreaming if you think there's some super secret case being built.


@Silly - Your typical response is exactly what I expect from someone with no clue whats going on. Go back to bed!



posted on Mar, 22 2018 @ 08:35 PM
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originally posted by: Agit8dChop
a reply to: Wayfarer

Everything that's been found, has been leaked


Again, you are showing both your bias and ignorance. How are you aware of this fact before Mueller has released his findings?



posted on Mar, 22 2018 @ 08:44 PM
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originally posted by: Wayfarer

originally posted by: Agit8dChop
a reply to: Wayfarer

Everything that's been found, has been leaked


Again, you are showing both your bias and ignorance. How are you aware of this fact before Mueller has released his findings?


After a year - with 1 flimsy charge of ''lying'' against flynn
After a year of constant leaks - without a single thing of substance
With Democrats and investigators themselves saying ''Facebook Ads'' was the core of their investigation and that Mueller was now moving to 'obstruction' rather than 'collussion'

the writing is on the wall... perhaps you should consider your own bias and ignorance still pushing this collusion myth?

I will gladly eat my words and apologies if Mueller manages to charge Trump.. would you do the same on the opposite or just claim Trump pressured the result and should be impeached?

Democrats have wasted an entire year with worthless crap trying to tear down an elected official.. its time they (and their followers) looked in the mirror and asked what their priorities really should be

#totalbs



posted on Mar, 22 2018 @ 09:04 PM
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originally posted by: Agit8dChop

originally posted by: Wayfarer

originally posted by: Agit8dChop
a reply to: Wayfarer

Everything that's been found, has been leaked


Again, you are showing both your bias and ignorance. How are you aware of this fact before Mueller has released his findings?


After a year - with 1 flimsy charge of ''lying'' against flynn
After a year of constant leaks - without a single thing of substance
With Democrats and investigators themselves saying ''Facebook Ads'' was the core of their investigation and that Mueller was now moving to 'obstruction' rather than 'collussion'

the writing is on the wall... perhaps you should consider your own bias and ignorance still pushing this collusion myth?

I will gladly eat my words and apologies if Mueller manages to charge Trump.. would you do the same on the opposite or just claim Trump pressured the result and should be impeached?

Democrats have wasted an entire year with worthless crap trying to tear down an elected official.. its time they (and their followers) looked in the mirror and asked what their priorities really should be

#totalbs


I can understand what you're saying, but it doesn't change the fact that you are basing your position on assumption, not fact. Until the report comes out, neither you nor I (or anyone else but Mueller) will know what exactly Mueller has found. To conjecture as fact off of assumption and piecemeal information belies a lack of understanding of the situation.

Furthermore, my position on collusion is merely one of probability that I neither project as fact, nor try and argue as absolute. I trust Mueller enough that if his report exonerates Trump I will accept that conclusion (despite my extreme distaste of the man). I have said this many times before on this forum, so to make an assumption about me to the contrary further reinforces my earlier statements.
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posted on Mar, 22 2018 @ 09:13 PM
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a reply to: Wayfarer

Fair call - i apologize for my blunt nature.

I dont believe Mueller will deliver a report exonerating trump - even if thats what the evidence shows

With everything thats come to light about the corruption, lies, fake reporting.. Mueller cant afford to just back down.. as a war veteran (hero) i hope he doesnt tarnish his reputation for his Cabal friends.




posted on Mar, 22 2018 @ 09:19 PM
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originally posted by: soberbacchus

Me too. Why is trump hiding from Mueller?


The end game is much like Clinton... Big investigation that ends up a sex scandal and the only thing they could get on him was lying about sex...

The whole Russian thing is just a reason to start the process, once they get him to talk they just want to perjurer him over anything they can that will most likely be nothing doing with the Russians...



posted on Mar, 22 2018 @ 09:24 PM
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a reply to: Agit8dChop

What has been leaked from Muellers team?
Every time he issues an indictment or adds a witness it's a surprise. Witnesses have told what they testified to in some cases. Some are under gag order.



posted on Mar, 23 2018 @ 12:00 AM
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originally posted by: Wayfarer

originally posted by: Agit8dChop
a reply to: Wayfarer

Everything that's been found, has been leaked


Again, you are showing both your bias and ignorance. How are you aware of this fact before Mueller has released his findings?


Muellers findings are prolly another railroad job just liek his last ones he worked on. And each one was tossed out,but after the damage done.



posted on Mar, 23 2018 @ 12:05 AM
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originally posted by: soberbacchus

originally posted by: yuppa

originally posted by: carewemust

originally posted by: soberbacchus

originally posted by: carewemust
a reply to: soberbacchus

Dowd was against President Trump sitting down personally with Bob Mueller. The president wants to sit down personally with Bob Mueller. In business if your lawyer does not agree with you he has to go.


Why would Dowd not want Trump to sit down with Robert Mueller?

Without Dowd there, I suppose Trump will perhaps skip golf this weekend and meet with the Special Counsel for a couple hours?


From what I'm hearing Dowd thought that Mueller was trying to catch president Trump in a trap.

President Trump wants to meet with Mueller as soon as possible and answer whatever questions Mueller has.

I would want to do the same thing. Answer honestly and let the chips fall where they may.


See here is the problem with that. Mueller has a history of RAILROADING innocent people. The Whitey bolger case is a good example.


Wait..What?

you think Whitey Bulger is innocent?

Sidenote: the Departed is a phenomenal film.


DID I FREAKING SAY BOLGER WAS INNOCENT? NO I DIDNT. i said 4 OTHER MEN. If i would had meant WHITEY i would had SAID SO.*its liek banging my head against a wall sometimes.



posted on Mar, 23 2018 @ 07:53 AM
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originally posted by: yuppa

originally posted by: Wayfarer

originally posted by: Agit8dChop
a reply to: Wayfarer

Everything that's been found, has been leaked


Again, you are showing both your bias and ignorance. How are you aware of this fact before Mueller has released his findings?


Muellers findings are prolly another railroad job just liek his last ones he worked on. And each one was tossed out,but after the damage done.


It sounds like you've already decided that whatever Mueller releases you aren't going to believe. I'm not sure I'd call that being a critical thinker...



posted on Mar, 23 2018 @ 08:12 AM
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originally posted by: soberbacchus
www.nytimes.com...



Mr. Dowd, who took over the president’s legal team last summer and considered leaving several times, ultimately concluded that Mr. Trump was ignoring his advice, a person briefed on the matter said.


Dowd was Trump's lead Lawyer in the inquiry and the only "Trial" lawyer capable of navigating the complexities of law, subpoena requests etc.

The rest of Trump's legal team are largely PR and "counsel".

Put another way, Trump is now his own chief lawyer.

And put bluntly, Lawyers that are on the precipice of winning while in the national spotlight defending the President of the United States do not resign.

Dowd's last official act was to call on the Special Counsel investigation to be immediately shut down. When that failed, he resigned.

Should be an interesting next couple months.

Dowd was also spearheading the negotiations for Trump to be interviewed by Mueller. Those negotiations are largely scrapped now and Mueller might be at a stage where he just issues the Subpoena and challenges Trump to ignore it, sending it to the courts.



www.nbcnews.com...



WASHINGTON — The shake-up in President Donald Trump’s legal team is part of preparations for a potential presidential interview with special counsel Robert Mueller, according to people familiar with the process.

even nbc seems to think trump wants to sit down with mueller.....
gee where is mueller, i have been advised this "can be over in 48 hours" if they would just have this interview...



posted on Mar, 23 2018 @ 11:19 AM
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originally posted by: [post=23253646]burgerbuddy
You are free to still launder money or not have the surgery.

You are paying THEM.

They work for you.

How many people have had bad advice from so called experts?



Piling-on the stupid are we? Why does one hire an attorney? For professional legal advice. If you believe you know more than the attorney there's no point in hiring one to begin with. Yea, people have gotten bad advice. How many have gone down the tubes representing themselves?



posted on Mar, 23 2018 @ 02:08 PM
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a reply to: Agit8dChop

Considering there is no such statute of collusion anywhere in the federal body of law (criminal) it is kind of hard to charge someone with a nonexistent crime.

I would imagine we will find out by the courts sometime between now and April when they rule on the validity of Mueller's appointment and investigation.
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posted on Mar, 23 2018 @ 02:36 PM
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originally posted by: shooterbrody
a reply to: soberbacchus

with all the tweets he sends he isn't hiding from anyone


Then he should have no problem with sitting down and answering questions when Mueller asks him to.



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