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originally posted by: Seede
You must have opposites in order to have hate and love. That is a law and that comes through choice. Hate is evil and love is of God even though God created evil in order to give you choice of love. How can God give you love if evil did not exist? It's impossible. You must have opposites in order to have reality. Where does all of this lead us? The entire purpose of God creating us is that He so loved His creation that he offers eternal existence if we overcome hate with love. How do we do this? By Choice. And why by Choice? Because there is no other way to know love. It's a law of love by choice and you cannot show hate without knowing love. -- lol
originally posted by: Noinden
a reply to: randyvs
Which text would that be? I am not part of a "revealed" religion neighbor. My studies (I am part of a mystery faith afterall) make me believe there are many deities. I am honest enough to admit it could be one or none. That is the mystery
1) Why did God make the heaven and the Earth? (Gen1:1)
Answer: He made them to be inhabited. (Isa 45:18, 2 Pet 3:13) What is so amazing to this answer is that some any intellectuals, scientist, philosophers and historians all have the same plan for the heaven and the earth.
2) If God made then ( and God is perfect), why did He not make them perfect?
Answer: He did make them perfect, but many have ignored the Bible for so long, they actually think that Genesis 1 is the original creation. If you will open a coy of the Av Bible a re-read Gen 3-28 you will see it is a re-creation of a former creation. Please note in Gen 1:2 the “without form and void is found only in one other place in the AV Bible (Jer 4:23 and that context if you read the whole chapter is about the destruction of Jerusalem). So in Gen 1:3-28 we are dealing with the recreation of a former creation, which was finished in verse 1, even Lucifer was created perfect in Ezk 28:15; not as Satan, not as a serpent or as a devil but as a cherubim, he was called the Cherub that covereth, you will notice in Ezk 1 and 10 there is only four Cherubim. Something happened to the one that covereth before Ezkeiel or John saw them later when they penned their books via inspiration.
5) What on earth are you talking about?
Answer: If God is perfect, no being is perfect until he is like God. Adam is made in God’s image (Gen 1:26-28). Adam is not confirmed sinlessness as God’s for he has not been tested. In the Bible, Sin is an act, a nature, thought, or word against the person of personal God, who is Almighty (Psa 51:4). It is any wrong (or unright) thing, done spoken, or thought, contrary to God Almighty’s direct revelation concerning it (1 John 5:17; Micah 6:8). Just in case we’ve forgot Adam is only sinless prospectively; he has not been tested.
extreme selfishness, with a grandiose view of one's own talents and a craving for admiration, as characterizing a personality type.
6) Didn’t God know the result of the test before it occurred? (If he was perfect he must have known.)
Answer: Good thinking, he did (Acts 15:18). He knew his would fall, and knowing this he gave him a freedom of will and of choice, so he could (or could not) fall.
7) Then is not God indirectly (or directly) to blame for what took place in His creation at the start?
Answer: YES. (Why should we be skirmish about it. We better get it right this time coming. Yes, the Lord could have prevented sin from entering and he did not (Lam 3:38; Job 2:10).
8) Then is not God responsible for Adam’s sin and the mess in which man finds himself?
Answer: NO. God does not tempt any man, neither can he be tempted, but every man is tempted when he is drawn away of his own lusts, and enticed (James 1:13-15).
9) Then who tempted Adam?
Answer: Eve Gen 3:4-6; Tim 2:12-14).
10) Who tempted Eve?
Answer: A Serpent (2 Cor 11:1-3).
11) Who Tempted the Serpent, if it wasn’t God, Himself?
Answer: Before the serpent was a serpent, he was not a serpent, but a Cherubim; and he was “drawn away of his own lust and enticed” to put his own will above the will of God. (Ezk 28:12-17; Isa 14:12-15.)
12) If God is eternal and knew the end from the beginning, he could have prevented the “Lucifer” of Isa 14 from falling to the level of a serpent?
Answer: True, God lets a lot of things “fall” in order to work out his original plan (Rom 11:11-32).
13) Then God is not only responsible for man’s sin, but for the serpent’s also, since He allowed both to take place, isn’t that right?
Answer: Yes, but what then?
14) Then my college professors, Marx and Darwin are right, there is not God (Psalm 14:1), because a God that is so imperfect that he is responsible for imperfection, is NOT perfect!
Answer: Let me then put forward a question. Supposed god remedied the entire thing and made right what was wrong; has he not cleared himself of ALL guilt and responsibility in the matter? (Rom 3:4-6)
15) Yes but . . . ?
Answer: If the Bible can show you where God un-did what evil he allowed to enter, will you admit He is perfect?
16) Well now that depends on the definition of . . . ?
Answer: See the problem with men is they put an obstacle where there is none. At Calvary God came down in the flesh (1 Tim3:16) and bore mans guilt (2 Cor 5:21). He became the personification of ALL sin (Gal 3:13); so much so, that he was said to resemble a serpent!(John 3:14). If He has reconciled all things to Himself by atoning for the imperfection in all things, he is clear; you cannot charge him with a thing (Rom 9:20).
So the eternal triangle is completed by the cherub who becomes a serpent. You can choose him (2 Cor 4:4) or you can chose God (1 Kings 18:21. So God allows this cherub to appear and tempt mankind so mankind can freely chooses God as an object of love. Adam chooses his wife as an object, Eve Chooses knowledge, as all good intellectuals do. The man falls, God redeems the man by bearing the entire blame (Rom 5:6-19) for both the man and the Cherub. He does this sin bearing by coming down and dying, as a man! (Phil 2; Isa 53; Rom 1; 2 Cor 3).