"There is no Trump-Russia collusion and the media should stop pushing this"

There is no Trump-Russia collusion and the media should stop pushing this

thehill.com...

All of the breathless rumor-mongering, the briefings, the innuendo, all based on a fake dossier, has spun up the narrative of Trump-Russia collusion. Yet, there’s simply no "there" there, after more than 18 months of investigation.

It’s a house-of-cards narrative with no facts to support it. No matter how badly many on the political left want Trump’s “”collusion” to be true, it is desperately hard to turn fairytales into facts.

While many on the left cling to their sad dreams, more and more evidence is mounting that the real collusion was, in fact, between Democrats and Russia, involving the Obama administration and the Clinton campaign.

In banana republics, the party in power weaponizes the state against political opponents to stay in power. It’s becoming clearer by the day that Obama’s DOJ, FBI, State Department and even the CIA were weaponized against Trump.

With the thin excuse of the Steele dossier, it’s becoming far more believable that, instead of being for national security reasons, all of this was spun up for political reasons. One can argue that Trump the Outsider was an existential threat to the administrative state, and also to the justice and intelligence communities which, over the course of decades, have seemingly decided they are above the law and immune to congressional oversight.

What is equally shameful in all of this is the media’s complicity. It has acted as mouthpieces for lawless administrative-state actors and agents of Russian misinformation, by swallowing hook, line and sinker the dossier’s contents and running with that information.

It also apparently is completely disinterested, distinctly uncurious, as to what actually happened in 2016 with our government agencies. Many in the press apparently have no problem with partisan propaganda being used to destroy our civil liberties and Fourth Amendment rights. In their self-righteous crusade to bring down the “evil” Trump, the ends justify the means — so damn the inconvenient facts.

This behavior of the media is just as troubling as the behavior of the various governmental agencies. For there to be transparency and accountability in government, there has to be a free, honest and objective press, not one that is simply the propaganda arm of the Democratic Party and the administrative state.

Not to mention that today's indictments against 13 Russian nationals accused of defrauding the United States specifically states they had attempted to *contact* Trumps campaign under misleading and manipulative pretenses. It also states the Trump campaign was unaware they had communicated with individuals from Russia, who were posing as Americans using false identifications.

Time for the media to stop pushing this irresponsible narrative. At this point, the evidence more than suggests NO TRUMP "COLLUSION"

a reply to: JBurns

Its not even news anymore, its infotainment pushing a false story line.

They have to keep doing it, all the little lies they told all down the line from the beginning all add up to one big lie.

I guess we need a bigger distraction. Collusion, Falcon Heavy, Russiagate didn't do it, neither did Shutdowns, school shootings, Trump tweets... what will they think of next.

a reply to: intrptr

Gives the liberals something to fantasize about. Their entire platform is coming apart at the seams along with the debt they've created for their socialist regime.

Has situation improved for their support base? Not really, nothing has really changed we're just swamped with debt. They are at the end of their road. Only a return to frugality and sanity can improve the situation, after a long period of pain they created.

LOL

Why so excited, aren't all the acolytes breathlessly repeating that the investigation is over.

So hey you got nothing to worry about right, your Dear Leader has been completely vindicated today, right?
It's not like there are other grand juries with sealed indictments for the co-conspirators mentioned in today's indictments against the Russian operatives, oh wait there are.

K~

a reply to: SkeptiSchism

[qiuote]Gives the liberals something to fantasize about. Their entire platform is coming apart at the seams along with the debt they've created for their socialist regime.
There are no sides, its all one gubment.

The division is for the people to fight over.

originally posted by: SkeptiSchism
a reply to: intrptr

Gives the liberals something to fantasize about. Their entire platform is coming apart at the seams along with the debt they've created for their socialist regime.

Has situation improved for their support base? Not really, nothing has really changed we're just swamped with debt. They are at the end of their road. Only a return to frugality and sanity can improve the situation, after a long period of pain they created.

Trump just added Trillions to the deficit with his spending bill, but way to cherry pick your issue of the day.

Why are Gates and Manafort making plea deals? Nothing burger?

The more you say this the more others will say there was collusion. It's basically turned into something that is solely based on personal opinion and bias seeing as how muddy they've made the waters surrounding the issue.

There is no truth to any of it, just a ploy to divide us. When will people start waking up to this fact?

a reply to: JBurns

This indictment is about low level contacts. Let's wait for testimony from Flynn, Manafort, Popadopaulos, etc, etc, etc.... Tick tock.

originally posted by: 3NL1GHT3N3D1
The more you say this the more others will say there was collusion. It's basically turned into something that is solely based on personal opinion and bias seeing as how muddy they've made the waters surrounding the issue.

There is no truth to any of it, just a ploy to divide us. When will people start waking up to this fact?

You said this here and in the other thread that relates to this topic about the meddling.

I think you are right... I find it interesting that both sides have talking points at the same time, from the same story.

It just seems convenient the government let that much out to the public.

originally posted by: 3NL1GHT3N3D1
The more you say this the more others will say there was collusion. It's basically turned into something that is solely based on personal opinion and bias seeing as how muddy they've made the waters surrounding the issue.

There is no truth to any of it, just a ploy to divide us. When will people start waking up to this fact?

I can agree with this wholeheartedly.

"Experts say the goal of Russian troll propagandists isn't to sway people's opinions in one way or another. Instead, the accounts seek to exploit divisions in order to break down society into smaller, warring groups. Trolls drum up persona accounts on every side of the ideological spectrum and take advantage of high-impact events to spread confusion and disarray."

a reply to: JBurns

So the Mueller investigation is over? Cool!

Got a link?

originally posted by: Harpua

originally posted by: SkeptiSchism
a reply to: intrptr

Gives the liberals something to fantasize about. Their entire platform is coming apart at the seams along with the debt they've created for their socialist regime.

Has situation improved for their support base? Not really, nothing has really changed we're just swamped with debt. They are at the end of their road. Only a return to frugality and sanity can improve the situation, after a long period of pain they created.

Trump just added Trillions to the deficit with his spending bill, but way to cherry pick your issue of the day.

Adding to the 70+ trillion he took on when he came into office?

What's the difference at this point?

It's a debt based economy being duck taped with band-aids....

!!SPOILER ALERT!!:

It's beyond repair.

Never Trump,



Does Goebbels proud.

a reply to: JBurns

Oh, I know. Just Like Trump junior did not have a meeting at trump tower with Russians. Nor are Flynn or Papadopoulos indicted.

a reply to: aethertek

Why so excited, aren't all the acolytes breathlessly repeating that the investigation is over.

That's a good question.

Trump haters have turned political speech into a crime.

What is there to be happy about?

a reply to: aethertek

He was completely vindicated today.

USCourts.GOV

For a conspiracy to have existed, it is not necessary that the conspirators made a formal agreement or that they agreed on every detail of the conspiracy. It is not enough, however, that they simply met, discussed matters of common interest, acted in similar ways, or perhaps helped one another. You must find that there was a plan to commit at least one of the crimes alleged in the indictment as an object of the conspiracy with all of you agreeing as to the particular crime which the conspirators agreed to commit.

One becomes a member of a conspiracy by willfully participating in the unlawful plan with the intent to advance or further some object or purpose of the conspiracy, even though the person does not have full knowledge of all the details of the conspiracy. Furthermore, one who willfully joins an existing conspiracy is as responsible for it as the originators. On the other hand, one who has no knowledge of a conspiracy, but happens to act in a way which furthers some object or purpose of the conspiracy, does not thereby become a conspirator. Similarly, a person does not become a conspirator merely by associating with one or more persons who are conspirators, nor merely by knowing that a conspiracy exists.

www3.ce9.uscourts.gov...

Good luck proving any of that after today's CONCLUSION on Trump/camp involvement.

It also says that some of the Russians posed as U.S. people and communicated with “unwitting individuals associated with the Trump Campaign and with other political activists to seek to coordinate political activities.”

Rosenstein noted that there is no allegation in the indictment that Americans had any knowledge of the operation.

thehill.com...
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The jig is up guys. Your narrative is debunked. No knowledge means no knowledge. Rod Rosenstein: "No allegation in the indictment that Americans had any knowledge of the operation."

a reply to: kurthall

Oh you guys are desperately reaching for straws now, huh?

He was completely vindicated today.

USCourts.GOV

For a conspiracy to have existed, it is not necessary that the conspirators made a formal agreement or that they agreed on every detail of the conspiracy. It is not enough, however, that they simply met, discussed matters of common interest, acted in similar ways, or perhaps helped one another. You must find that there was a plan to commit at least one of the crimes alleged in the indictment as an object of the conspiracy with all of you agreeing as to the particular crime which the conspirators agreed to commit.

One becomes a member of a conspiracy by willfully participating in the unlawful plan with the intent to advance or further some object or purpose of the conspiracy, even though the person does not have full knowledge of all the details of the conspiracy. Furthermore, one who willfully joins an existing conspiracy is as responsible for it as the originators. On the other hand, one who has no knowledge of a conspiracy, but happens to act in a way which furthers some object or purpose of the conspiracy, does not thereby become a conspirator. Similarly, a person does not become a conspirator merely by associating with one or more persons who are conspirators, nor merely by knowing that a conspiracy exists.

www3.ce9.uscourts.gov...

Good luck proving any of that after today's CONCLUSION on Trump/camp involvement.

It also says that some of the Russians posed as U.S. people and communicated with “unwitting individuals associated with the Trump Campaign and with other political activists to seek to coordinate political activities.”

Rosenstein noted that there is no allegation in the indictment that Americans had any knowledge of the operation.

thehill.com...
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The jig is up guys. Your narrative is debunked. No knowledge means no knowledge. Rod Rosenstein: "No allegation in the indictment that Americans had any knowledge of the operation."

originally posted by: JBurns
a reply to: aethertek

He was completely vindicated today.

USCourts.GOV

For a conspiracy to have existed, it is not necessary that the conspirators made a formal agreement or that they agreed on every detail of the conspiracy. It is not enough, however, that they simply met, discussed matters of common interest, acted in similar ways, or perhaps helped one another. You must find that there was a plan to commit at least one of the crimes alleged in the indictment as an object of the conspiracy with all of you agreeing as to the particular crime which the conspirators agreed to commit.

One becomes a member of a conspiracy by willfully participating in the unlawful plan with the intent to advance or further some object or purpose of the conspiracy, even though the person does not have full knowledge of all the details of the conspiracy. Furthermore, one who willfully joins an existing conspiracy is as responsible for it as the originators. On the other hand, one who has no knowledge of a conspiracy, but happens to act in a way which furthers some object or purpose of the conspiracy, does not thereby become a conspirator. Similarly, a person does not become a conspirator merely by associating with one or more persons who are conspirators, nor merely by knowing that a conspiracy exists.

www3.ce9.uscourts.gov...

Good luck proving any of that after today's CONCLUSION on Trump/camp involvement.

It also says that some of the Russians posed as U.S. people and communicated with “unwitting individuals associated with the Trump Campaign and with other political activists to seek to coordinate political activities.”

Rosenstein noted that there is no allegation in the indictment that Americans had any knowledge of the operation.

thehill.com...
.......

The jig is up guys. Your narrative is debunked. No knowledge means no knowledge. Rod Rosenstein: "No allegation in the indictment that Americans had any knowledge of the operation."

No Americans had any knowledge they were talking to Russians regarding these particular indictments not over all people.

This in no way means the investigation is over and Flynn and Papadopoulos have been indicted because of the Russia investigation. Stop acting like this is an end game regarding the investigation.


People in trump's Inner circle and Russia go hand-in-hand that is the bottom line.

a reply to: aethertek

LOL

Literally, nothing to worry about. However, the suspense at how you, the rabid left, will react after all is said and done, that's the real pay off.

Already, post election reactions were glorious, so after OFFICIAL word of no collusion, we'll be staring at you for laughs and tears.

Enjoy,

A~~~

Mueller's indictment admits there is no conspiracy. Period.

The entire story has been debunked in one swoop.

Why else include the text specifically saying that? Also stating "no Americans involved"? If they were still under investigation, they'd simply not put anything in there (much like they did with Flynn/Manafort).

Also to note: Flynn/Manafort/Papapa had nothing to do with "collusion" either, clearly. As their indictments say, technical offenses over the course of a decade.